If I'm being honest, the mental toughness of the defense should definitely be in question at this point. Thank god for guys like Calais, Telvin, and Bouye holding it together who are more levelheaded. There were multiple times down the stretch last year when the defense started getting challenged, punched in the mouth, and the reaction was whining, personal fouls, and continued unraveling. When they're dominating, all is good, but they let up a big play and tend to come unglued. I think in general this is a good thing for Couglin to send the message and so that Ramsey has a week off and less chance of injury.

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The group needs a meeting of the minds and get this crap taken care of before the regular season. Tensions are high during camp/pre-season guys are digging to get ready mentally and physically for a long grueling NFL season. Reporters have to acknowledge this as well and know when it's appropriate to approach an athlete and when it isn't. We don't need a divided room of divas getting in the way of where this team can go.

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No pain, no gain.

You must not remember the Coughlin Years. I'm not saying Marrone wouldn't do the same thing but we know Coughlin would.

Of course I do but, for people to think that Coughlin is running this team alone is downright disrespectful to the current coaching staff.

I don't disagree but like I said, we know Coughlin's heavy hand from his previous tenure. We know Marrone is no nonsense but how hard he is with it we haven't really seen yet. I think it's a tandem team between the two of them and I'm glad for it. These kids need to know how to act and react to situations. This is their job, not something they do as a hobby and can just do what they want.

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I never was a Fowler fan,  I felt he only had a speed rush coming out of college and any time an Oline man locked up with him he never showed the power to dive the man back toward the QB.  I for one would not be against trading him if we could get a high draft pick. He has been somewhat of a cancer on the team and out in public so yes I would consider a trade if one was available.

Trade him for what? What team is going to give up a draft pick for said cancer, coming off a mysterious shoulder injury, in his final contract year, who’s already been suspended for week one stemming from last years issues? His value is on this team, at least for this year. Best case scenario is that we hope he has a career year here, signs a fat contract elsewhere, and we get to collect the compensatory pick, which depending on how much he signs his new contract for, can be as high as a 3rd rounder.

Hey, somehow Johnny Manziel was drafted even with his laundry list of stupidity so yeah, someone could be desperate enough to take Fowler.

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This is so petty. Tom Coughlin may be over doing this one. I put this on Tom. We are here to win at all cost. Who cares about some will tweet. There was nothing bad in the tweet except maybe the word “war”

OBJ is gonna have to covered by Bouye then. Herndon will have to set up.

No one is bigger than the team. Fornette learned that last year, looks like we got some new students this time around.

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This is so petty. Tom Coughlin may be over doing this one. I put this on Tom. We are here to win at all cost. Who cares about some will tweet. There was nothing bad in the tweet except maybe the word “war”

OBJ is gonna have to covered by Bouye then. Herndon will have to set up.

No one is bigger than the team. Fornette learned that last year, looks like we got some new students this time around.

I agree about the team concept. If it was the regular season he wouldn’t be suspended.

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Trade him for what? What team is going to give up a draft pick for said cancer, coming off a mysterious shoulder injury, in his final contract year, who’s already been suspended for week one stemming from last years issues? His value is on this team, at least for this year. Best case scenario is that we hope he has a career year here, signs a fat contract elsewhere, and we get to collect the compensatory pick, which depending on how much he signs his new contract for, can be as high as a 3rd rounder.

You'd be surprised what NFL teams would be willing to pay for a solid pass rusher, even one with "issues." Pass rushers are at a premium in this league.

I’m willing to bet the compensatory pick would be higher than anything you would get for him in a trade right now.

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Trade him for what? What team is going to give up a draft pick for said cancer, coming off a mysterious shoulder injury, in his final contract year, who’s already been suspended for week one stemming from last years issues? His value is on this team, at least for this year. Best case scenario is that we hope he has a career year here, signs a fat contract elsewhere, and we get to collect the compensatory pick, which depending on how much he signs his new contract for, can be as high as a 3rd rounder.

Hey, somehow Johnny Manziel was drafted even with his laundry list of stupidity so yeah, someone could be desperate enough to take Fowler.

Taking a gamble on a player in a draft is one thing. Taking a gamble on a known issue is another. There’s a laundry list of current free agent players in this same predicament who are still waiting by the phone for a second or third shot, i.e Johnny Manziel.

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You'd be surprised what NFL teams would be willing to pay for a solid pass rusher, even one with "issues." Pass rushers are at a premium in this league.

I’m willing to bet the compensatory pick would be higher than anything you would get for him in a trade right now.

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Hey, somehow Johnny Manziel was drafted even with his laundry list of stupidity so yeah, someone could be desperate enough to take Fowler.

Taking a gamble on a player in a draft is one thing. Taking a gamble on a known issue is another. There’s a laundry list of current free agent players in this same predicament who are still waiting by the phone for a second or third shot, i.e Johnny Manziel.

There is a huge difference though. Those guys have either never proven anything in the NFL (i.e. johnny Manziel) or are on the downside of their careers (i.e. Dez Bryant). Fowler is a young guy who doubled his sack total in one season, in a limited role. I'd be willing to bet there would be NFL teams "chomping at the bit" to trade for him.

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No one is bigger than the team. Fornette learned that last year, looks like we got some new students this time around.

I agree about the team concept. If it was the regular season he wouldn’t be suspended.

Don't be so sure. Fornette was suspended for a regular season game. And we don't know all the details of what went on.

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Figures. I wonder if it was Blake what would have happened. Anyway Jalen go on ahead and do your thing. You can have success on any other team. Don't sweat this BS.

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I don't see any issue with him staying in the tunnel. Heck, he's actually staying within the rules by doing so unlike other protesters who are holding fists up and practically promoting violence as their means to protest violence. Those dimwits are publically disrespecting the flag, and why? If their issue is so huge, where were their protests throughout the offseason? At any rate, if you must protest, do it by staying off the field and not disrespecting the flag.  In my book, Ramsey should be praised here for setting a good example.

Praised for deciding not to show respect for the flag of his country? The flag that tens of thousands died to protect? Sorry, can’t agree with you there.

Not showing respect is to go out there and kneel or raise a fist. By not going out, he chose to distance himself from the situation. He wasn't there in order to not show respect, and he's acting entirely within the rules and guidelines set forth by the league.

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I agree that fowler will likely get us more in compensatory picks then he will in a trade right now. Unless Cleveland/Colts/Cowboys come calling, then maybe we would have something. One of our indiana friends should put a buzz in irsays ear that Fowler would take the clots over the top.

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I agree about the team concept. If it was the regular season he wouldn’t be suspended.

Don't be so sure. Fornette was suspended for a regular season game. And we don't know all the details of what went on.

He was late for a team photo from what I remember.

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LOL .... we were all worried when Jalen stayed home with his newborn.  Sounds like he found a way to get a free week to chill with the baby.

Who is we?

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I agree about the team concept. If it was the regular season he wouldn’t be suspended.

Don't be so sure. Fornette was suspended for a regular season game. And we don't know all the details of what went on.

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According to the AP, General Manager Dave Caldwell had to step in to the effort to separate the two defensive ends outside the practice field.

Ngakoue and Fowler reportedly exchanged words while walking off the practice field, which was after the fight captured on video.

Outside the practice field gates, it rekindled, and that’s when teammates including Calais Campbell, coaches, security guards, and Caldwell tried to break it up, with Caldwell leading Ngakoue away by the wrist.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ssion=true

Sounds like Yannick probably should’ve gotten in trouble too but Fowler was the “one the teacher caught talking in class”....remember those days lol

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

According to the AP, General Manager Dave Caldwell had to step in to the effort to separate the two defensive ends outside the practice field.

Ngakoue and Fowler reportedly exchanged words while walking off the practice field, which was after the fight captured on video.

Outside the practice field gates, it rekindled, and that’s when teammates including Calais Campbell, coaches, security guards, and Caldwell tried to break it up, with Caldwell leading Ngakoue away by the wrist.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ssion=true

Sounds like Yannick probably should’ve gotten in trouble too but Fowler was the “one the teacher caught talking in class”....remember those days lol

From what I heard, Blake was first one in the mix to pull O’Shann from Fowler and Fowler shoved Blake. Yannick came over and said some words to Fowler. Fowler didn’t appreciate the verbal scolding and fired back at Yannick. Escalated from there, even into the locker room and into parking lot.

It’s a bunch of Alphas so to be expected but when it can’t be squashed off the field there is an issue. Fowler just doesn’t get it yet. Needs to realize the pecking order and at this point he is quickly becoming expendable.

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Praised for deciding not to show respect for the flag of his country? The flag that tens of thousands died to protect? Sorry, can’t agree with you there.

Not showing respect is to go out there and kneel or raise a fist. By not going out, he chose to distance himself from the situation. He wasn't there in order to not show respect, and he's acting entirely within the rules and guidelines set forth by the league.

I totally disagree. What is the purpose for playing the national anthem in the first place? It’s for Americans to demonstrate their respect for the flag of this wonderful country. Whether you choose to disrespect it by kneeling, raising your fist in the air........or staying in the tunnel, it’s still disrespect. Either you show respect or you don’t, it’s that simple.

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Not showing respect is to go out there and kneel or raise a fist. By not going out, he chose to distance himself from the situation. He wasn't there in order to not show respect, and he's acting entirely within the rules and guidelines set forth by the league.

I totally disagree. What is the purpose for playing the national anthem in the first place? It’s for Americans to demonstrate their respect for the flag of this wonderful country. Whether you choose to disrespect it by kneeling, raising your fist in the air........or staying in the tunnel, it’s still disrespect. Either you show respect or you don’t, it’s that simple.

Why don’t you go take this to the political section which has been debating this for over a year? Thanks so much.

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I totally disagree. What is the purpose for playing the national anthem in the first place? It’s for Americans to demonstrate their respect for the flag of this wonderful country. Whether you choose to disrespect it by kneeling, raising your fist in the air........or staying in the tunnel, it’s still disrespect. Either you show respect or you don’t, it’s that simple.

Why don’t you go take this to the political section which has been debating this for over a year? Thanks so much.

Patriotism != Politics

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