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People mocking (draft) the Texans to take Clowney are misguided

#1

Theres zero chance of it happening. 

 

Clowney is a 4-3 DE. He's not a 3-4 OLB. The Texans let Mario Williams leave because he was more of a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB, so I don't see how a Clowney pick by them happens. 

 

They could trade the pick, and someone else takes Clowney, but I don't see them selecting Clowney at 1. 


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#2

He can play de in a 4-3 or OLB in a 3-4.
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#3

O'Brien hasn't announced whether they will be using a 34 or a 43 yet.
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#4

Quote:He can play de in a 4-3 or OLB in a 3-4.
 

I think he's a better fit for a 4-3

 

Quote:O'Brien hasn't announced whether they will be using a 34 or a 43 yet.
 

Crennel's a 3-4 guy

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#5

Quote:I think he's a better fit for a 4-3

 

 

Crennel's a 3-4 guy
I guess we should take your football expertise as fact, huh?

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#6

Didn't Aldon Smith play DE in college? He hasn't had any problems in the pros. More specifically to a defense coached by Crennel, Willie McGinest played DE at USC but was a 3-4 olb for the Patriots during their title runs.


Clowney's talented enough to play either 4-3 or 3-4 as long as he's rushing the passer.
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#7

Quote:Didn't Aldon Smith play DE in college? He hasn't had any problems in the pros. More specifically to a defense coached by Crennel, Willie McGinest played DE at USC but was a 3-4 olb for the Patriots during their title runs.


Clowney's talented enough to play either 4-3 or 3-4 as long as he's rushing the passer.
 

I really don't see the Texans taking Clowney. I think they really want to trade the pick and stockpile. O Brien is from the Patriots, he's likely going to try to use what he learned while there. 

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#8

Quote:I really don't see the Texans taking Clowney. I think they really want to trade the pick and stockpile. O Brien is from the Patriots, he's likely going to try to use what he learned while there.


That might be right. This is more to your post about Clowney being a better fit as a 4-3 and Crennel being a 3-4 guy. I just gave examples of guys that were good in both schemes and tried to make a point that scheme doesn't really matter to stud pass rushers.


As for the mocks and all of what other teams might be doing I'll leave that to you guys. Nobody has a clue what teams are thinking.
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#9

Quote:That might be right. This is more to your post about Clowney being a better fit as a 4-3 and Crennel being a 3-4 guy. I just gave examples of guys that were good in both schemes and tried to make a point that scheme doesn't really matter to stud pass rushers.


As for the mocks and all of what other teams might be doing I'll leave that to you guys. Nobody has a clue what teams are thinking.
 

I think you could get by with Clowney as a 3-4 LB, but I think his best position will be 4-3 DE. 

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#10

Don't think their defense is why they were the worst team this season
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#11

If Houston does take Jadeveon Clowney with pick # 1,  he should be in a much more favorable situation than in the recently completed season with South Carolina.   Not having Melvin Ingram and/ or Devin Taylor to help take away attention from Clowney in 2013 might have been a major reason why his production dropped considerably.   With J.J. Watt on the Texans Defensive Line,  if Clowney is focused on and off the field,  it could cause long afternoons and evenings for opposing Offensive Coordinators and Offensive Line Coaches.



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#12

Quote:I guess we should take your football expertise as fact, huh?
 

TMD is right. Romeo Crennel ran the 3-4 in Cleveland and Kansas City. So does Bill Belichick, whose coaching tree includes both Bill O'Brien and Crennel.


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#13

Quote:Don't think their defense is why they were the worst team this season
 

Did you miss the thread about the Texans being on the verge of a trade with the Patriots that would give them Ryan Mallett for a second round pick?

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#14

Quote:Didn't Aldon Smith play DE in college? He hasn't had any problems in the pros. More specifically to a defense coached by Crennel, Willie McGinest played DE at USC but was a 3-4 OLB for the Patriots during their title runs.


Clowney's talented enough to play either 4-3 or 3-4 as long as he's rushing the passer.
 

So did Mike Vrabel. He was a defensive end at Ohio State. And we all know where he is working now.

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#15

Though Clowney definitely has the pure speed to be a 3-4 OLB, I agree with TMD's take that he would be better served as a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB.

 

First off Belichick's/Crennel's 3-4 defenses traditionally haven't been outside LB blitz heavy teams-with the exception of their days with the Giants in the 1980s when they had Lawrence Taylor.  Their OLBs have dropped a lot in coverage.  Doing that with Clowney to me would appear to be a colossal waste of his talent, and would put him in positions he isn't accustomed to doing (i.e. dropping into coverage).

 

Furthermore, as I indicated in a different thread, the Patriots under Belichick and Crennel were largely size dependent 3-4 fronts, meaning all of their DLs (Seymour, Washington, Wilfork) were bigger guys.  The Texans don't have particularly big 3-4 DLs.  In fact, their LBs in New England (McGinest, Vrabel and Bruschi) were all college defensive linemen.  Admittedly that is an argument in support of them drafting Clowney.

 

If Clowney was the no brainer pick for the Texans at one, then it makes no sense for McNair to openly shop the pick around.  I think they will trade down, especially if they give away the 2nd for Mallet.  If they trade down, I could see them adding size to that front seven. 


 

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#16

Mario Williams had 5 sacks in 5 games in his switch to OLB w/ the Texans before he tore his pec, and Clowney should best Mario in all of the agility drills. Transcendent players like Clowney are scheme busters. Just line him up and tell him to get the QB and he will dominate no matter where that is.  


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#17

Quote:Theres zero chance of it happening.


Clowney is a 4-3 DE. He's not a 3-4 OLB. The Texans let Mario Williams leave because he was more of a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB, so I don't see how a Clowney pick by them happens.


They could trade the pick, and someone else takes Clowney, but I don't see them selecting Clowney at 1.


He can be whatever you want because he is a freak of nature. Here he'd be a LEO. He has the athleticism to play OLB.
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#18

LOL...

 

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#19

I don't think he goes to Houston either.  Clowney is best with his hand on the ground as a DE.  They need a QB more than anything and unless this turns out to be like last year's QB crop (which I don't think it is, much better QBs this year), they are likely grabbing one right there.


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#20

Robert Mathis? 4-3 his while career and his 2nd season in the 3-4 had his best season ever at 32.
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