You think Hackett is the problem? Hackett is limited to Bortles dude. He can’t call half his playbook most likely because Blake just can’t make certain throws. There’s a reason they basically just run crosser and run the ball. Blake is one of the most limited QBs in the entire league.

Mahomes opens up the entire playbook.

As limited as Bortles may be, having an OL that is in complete shambles sure limits the playbook as well. Isn't going to matter who your QB is when he's running for his life and being constantly hit in less than 2 seconds.

Yea except Bortles was feeling phantom pressure today.

And I’m not just talking about today. I’m talking about Bortles entire time the past 2 years. He’s limited as a passer and it’s not hard to see. The Jags had limited injuries last year and had the luxury of a defense that scored 8 or so TDs. 

Bortles can’t make every throw and he can’t quickly read a defense. He limits the entire offense by just stepping on the field. The OLine is hurt but they are hardly the main factor in my the offense is playing poorly.

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I wouldn't trust developing a QB with these coaches. I would want Marrone as far as possible from a brand new QB.

It’s not fair to say this coaching staff can’t develop a QB. They were handed bortles who had fundamental flaws from the beginning

It isn't based on Blake. Everyone knows Blake can only throw the crosser and go route, he limits this team so much. 

Marrone has constantly made comments on how he wants to build a team and it's archaic as hell. Trying to establish a run first identity in today's game is... to be nice... idiotic. It makes ZERO SENSE with the rules TAILORED FOR PASSING! On top of it Marrone makes comments where he rather his QB not throw an extra 15 TDs at the cost of 5 interceptions. Ummmmmm hello? His brain is wired old school. I'd want a guy like McVay. Who'd a thought a 36 y/o HC would change the game?

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The quicker the brass admits the problem, the better off everyone is. Dr Nile isn't only a river in Egypt.

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75% of the team's salary is on defense. When you have nearly all of your money on the defensive side of the ball they better be getting stops. I don't think they forced KC or Dallas to punt once in the first half of either game.

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The quicker the brass admits the problem, the better off everyone is. Dr Nile isn't only a river in Egypt.

So what is "the problem?"

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Dr Nile isn't only a river in Egypt.

Might need to sign up for that remedial "jokes and clichés 101" course, SC1.

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75% of the team's salary is on defense. When you have nearly all of your money on the defensive side of the ball they better be getting stops. I don't think they forced KC or Dallas to punt once in the first half of either game.

They actually managed to force them to punt once in the first half but we gloriously gave them the 1st down on the punt by having 12 players on the field lol.

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Going into this year the picture seemed clear. Our plan since we started the Caldwell build was to build defense through the draft/develop that talent and then sign key free agents to boost our strongest positions. We drafted heavy pass rushers, corners and linebackers. We signed key defensive players on the line and in the secondary. We built what was advertised as the next great generational defense. On offense the plan was to build a smash mouth ground game and have a QB that could manage the game. We didn't invest is keeping key offensive players when their contracts ran out, we could replace them with younger drafted role players. We signed established linemen and drafted heavy running backs high in the draft during the entire Caldwell build. 

Did we do it ALL wrong? Has history not proven that keeping a health cohesive defense is both expensive and near impossible.  Look at Seattle they lost some of their LEADERS and the entire defense unraveled. We lost Poz and Colvin and it's starting to look like this defense is unraveling. Was POZ that Leader that was irreplaceable? Would it matter if we had built this team around an offensive powerhouse? 

In todays NFL building around the defense and rushing game is building a team to compete in the wrong decade. It's not sustainable long term, it might not even be sustainable year to year. It's only week 6 and even if we can find our magic juice to finish the season I still wonder did we build this entire thing backwards? 

Having an offense that's just good enough isn't sustainable in todays NFL.

I think your whole premise is wrong

When Caldwell took over, his first draft was the horrible 2013 draft.  He drafted offense in the first round.

In 2014, his first round pick was a QB-Bortles.  His two second round picks were offense-WRs Marqise Lee and Allen Robinson.  His 3rd round pick was offense-Linder.

In 2015, his first pick was Fowler, a DE, but his second rounder was RB Yeldon.

His one defensive heavy draft was 2016 with Ramsey, Jack and Ngakoue.

He happened to hit the biggest with those players, but I don't his initial plan was to build as a defense first team.

Last year, they went offense with the 3 of the first four picks (Fournette, DedeWestbrook and Cam Robinson)

It worked out that way-being a defense first, run heavy team and thus far it worked pretty well.

The last two weeks have been ugly.  But it is due primarily to injuries.

 
Good points. But I think all you have to look at the spending of the #4 pick on a running back, deciding to pay Norwell and extend Blake, rather than spending that on Cousins to see what they wanted this team to be.

You think you have your franchise QB when you draft him at #3, so you try to build around that, but when they had TWO PRIME opportunities to try to get a real upgrade at the QB position after they saw what he is, and passed.


When Caldwell got here, talent was barren, so you're just drafting the best guys possible at that point.


Look where all the FA money went, too. Campbell, Jackson, Church, Gipson, Bouye, Dareus.

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Blake simply cannot make that throw he made for the interception. It was one of the worst throws I have ever seen.

How do you throw a jump ball to a player that is 5 8 in triple coverage. I expect more out of a five year veteran.

Smdh

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Solution:

Week 7 premier of new QB>>>>Cody Kessler

Is Kessler an option? He must be because what if Bortles got hurt?

Could we be Worse than the past 2 weeks with Kessler taking the snaps?


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this team couldn't win with tom brady,or arron rogers,they couldn't even win if they had patrick mahomes. they are playing like gus bradlys jags. From HC down to playyers no one is doign thier jobs at all.

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snowwolf titans owner in madden.

note titans owner means im undeafted againest them. 

If forced to choose between Ronnie Harrison and Alex Smith, I would still take Alex Smith. And a third-round pick would have gotten him.

This team screwed up badly when they tied themselves to Bortles. I get it, the OL is trash right now, but a great QB creates opportunities and buys a second. Bortles just throws it into the back of his guard's head.

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Bortles isn't the only problem but he's a big one

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In today's NFL, you need a good QB and a strong O-Line. Without that, you'll never win a Superbowl. The Ravens have been the only team that that have been lucky enough to become champs without a strong QB and they seem to be a one in a million team. It's time to accept this. I'm not gonna say any more.

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The quicker the brass admits the problem, the better off everyone is. Dr Nile isn't only a river in Egypt.

So what is "the problem?"

At it's core our philosophy might be the problem. Defense wins championships has seen it's day, today its QB win championships and build sustained success. Maybe Blake is that guy maybe not but we haven't built this roster around Blake we've built it around the defense and expected Blake to not lose games. That's proving to be a very flawed philosophy.

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Solution:

Week 7 premier of new QB>>>>Cody Kessler

Is Kessler an option? He must be because what if Bortles got hurt?

Could we be Worse than the past 2 weeks with Kessler taking the snaps?


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It's to late to change course this season, they have to stick it out and hope Good Bortles comes back. Kessler isn't the answer they know that already. The season isn't completely lost yet so I'm not ready to play for the future right now. 

Next off season we have to put the effort we put into the defense the last 3 years into the offense. Damn it when we find play makers we have to keep them, they're not expendable.

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So what is "the problem?"

At it's core our philosophy might be the problem. Defense wins championships has seen it's day, today its QB win championships and build sustained success. Maybe Blake is that guy maybe not but we haven't built this roster around Blake we've built it around the defense and expected Blake to not lose games. That's proving to be a very flawed philosophy.

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Solution:

Week 7 premier of new QB>>>>Cody Kessler

Is Kessler an option? He must be because what if Bortles got hurt?

Could we be Worse than the past 2 weeks with Kessler taking the snaps?


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It's to late to change course this season, they have to stick it out and hope Good Bortles comes back. Kessler isn't the answer they know that already. The season isn't completely lost yet so I'm not ready to play for the future right now. 

Next off season we have to put the effort we put into the defense the last 3 years into the offense. Damn it when we find play makers we have to keep them, they're not expendable.

“Next off season.” 

It’s back to the good ole days. I honestly hoped we were beyond this, at least for awhile; to where weren’t already looking to the draft, free agency etc in October.

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It sure looks like we're built backwards and going against the grain of where the game is being steered to go.

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I think your whole premise is wrong

When Caldwell took over, his first draft was the horrible 2013 draft.  He drafted offense in the first round.

In 2014, his first round pick was a QB-Bortles.  His two second round picks were offense-WRs Marqise Lee and Allen Robinson.  His 3rd round pick was offense-Linder.

In 2015, his first pick was Fowler, a DE, but his second rounder was RB Yeldon.

His one defensive heavy draft was 2016 with Ramsey, Jack and Ngakoue.

He happened to hit the biggest with those players, but I don't his initial plan was to build as a defense first team.

Last year, they went offense with the 3 of the first four picks (Fournette, DedeWestbrook and Cam Robinson)

It worked out that way-being a defense first, run heavy team and thus far it worked pretty well.

The last two weeks have been ugly.  But it is due primarily to injuries.

 
Good points. But I think all you have to look at the spending of the #4 pick on a running back, deciding to pay Norwell and extend Blake, rather than spending that on Cousins to see what they wanted this team to be.

You think you have your franchise QB when you draft him at #3, so you try to build around that, but when they had TWO PRIME opportunities to try to get a real upgrade at the QB position after they saw what he is, and passed.


When Caldwell got here, talent was barren, so you're just drafting the best guys possible at that point.


Look where all the FA money went, too. Campbell, Jackson, Church, Gipson, Bouye, Dareus.

1.  So now you are not talking about "building" a team, but putting the finishing touches on a team.

2.  As it stands right now, the Cousins led Vikings are only a half game better than us.

3.  An argument can easily be made for the team to draft either Watson or Mahomes here last year.  But assuming the team would be conservative with their development, would you have been willing to deal with another losing season waiting for them to develop?  In other words, if the coaches saw a team that had a chance to win last year drafting the way they did, why wouldn't they take that opportunity?

The Rams spent the #10 overall pick on a RB coming off an ACL injury, and they are undefeated.

4.  Free agency money also went to Julius Thomas and Zane Beadles.  That didn't work out so well.  As for the guys you listed above, are you seriously COMPLAINING about those acquisitions?!?  (BTW, Dareus was acquired via trade, NOT FA).

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Good points. But I think all you have to look at the spending of the #4 pick on a running back, deciding to pay Norwell and extend Blake, rather than spending that on Cousins to see what they wanted this team to be.

You think you have your franchise QB when you draft him at #3, so you try to build around that, but when they had TWO PRIME opportunities to try to get a real upgrade at the QB position after they saw what he is, and passed.


When Caldwell got here, talent was barren, so you're just drafting the best guys possible at that point.


Look where all the FA money went, too. Campbell, Jackson, Church, Gipson, Bouye, Dareus.

1.  So now you are not talking about "building" a team, but putting the finishing touches on a team.

2.  As it stands right now, the Cousins led Vikings are only a half game better than us.

3.  An argument can easily be made for the team to draft either Watson or Mahomes here last year.  But assuming the team would be conservative with their development, would you have been willing to deal with another losing season waiting for them to develop?  In other words, if the coaches saw a team that had a chance to win last year drafting the way they did, why wouldn't they take that opportunity?

The Rams spent the #10 overall pick on a RB coming off an ACL injury, and they are undefeated.

The rams also have Goff. 

Fournette, injury issues non-withstanding, would have been a great pick if we already had a good offense. Instead the expectation was to build around him, which nowadays is no longer a real viable option.

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So what is "the problem?"

At it's core our philosophy might be the problem. Defense wins championships has seen it's day, today its QB win championships and build sustained success. Maybe Blake is that guy maybe not but we haven't built this roster around Blake we've built it around the defense and expected Blake to not lose games. That's proving to be a very flawed philosophy.

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Last year's Super Bowl Champions, Philadelphia, finished 4th in total points allowed and in yardage, and won the Super Bowl with a backup QB.

The year before, the Patriots were first in scoring defense.

2015 saw Denver win it all.  Their defense was 4th in scoring, and they won the Super Bowl with a completely decrepit Peyton Manning at QB.

Before that, the Patriots won with the 8th ranked scoring defense.

Finally in 2013, Seattle won it all with arguably the stingiest defense in recent memory, finishing first in total defense.

So the last five Super Bowl winners had defenses in the top ten in scoring defense.  Four of those five had top four scoring defenses.

Defense is still vitally important to winning championships.

Right now, our OL is iffy due to injury, RB is iffy due to injury, and those are having an adverse impact on Bortles, who is iffy, and on the defense, which is playing iffy.

But nobody will convince me that our free agency acquisitions of recent years or our drafting of Ramsey, Jack, and Ngakoue were somehow mistakes.

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1.  So now you are not talking about "building" a team, but putting the finishing touches on a team.

2.  As it stands right now, the Cousins led Vikings are only a half game better than us.

3.  An argument can easily be made for the team to draft either Watson or Mahomes here last year.  But assuming the team would be conservative with their development, would you have been willing to deal with another losing season waiting for them to develop?  In other words, if the coaches saw a team that had a chance to win last year drafting the way they did, why wouldn't they take that opportunity?

The Rams spent the #10 overall pick on a RB coming off an ACL injury, and they are undefeated.

The rams also have Goff. 

Fournette, injury issues non-withstanding, would have been a great pick if we already had a good offense. Instead the expectation was to build around him, which nowadays is no longer a real viable option.

Goff was thought by most observers to be a complete bust after his first year.  The Rams also didn't have a LT, or the receivers they have now when they drafted Gurley.

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