It's one o'clock in the morning, on a hot summer night....

 

Stop it with your nonsense.

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Yes, every team has needs and every team drafts.


Who do you pick?


Draft Grades

CB Dwayne Gratz - 62.1

OG Larry Warford - 88.3

Or we could've went with your boy Damontre Moore who had a 87.9. I look forward to your retort.

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If you only go by who the best player is regardless of position, you will have many players you don't need and very few you do.

 

BAP drafting will give you this: two elite players at the same position and no decent players at another position. Needs based drafting is the only way to rebuild a team.

 

If you have two elite players at a position that means somebody else has problems. If you can have five elite offensive linemen please do. I need to find equal value for every pick I use.

 

You keep drafting the best players available until your roster can not longer be improved talent-wise. Each addition to the roster builds talent. If you continue to draft well selecting the best possible football players you can find, all those needs go away. You have a talent-rich roster able to compete with the rest of the NFL.

 

Doesn't it take two tackles to play NFL football?

 

If I already have Luke Joeckel, why do I take Jake Matthews? Well, because you will have two elite tackles on the same roster. 

 

You are as talented at tackle as you can possibly be? Nope. If I can draft another elite tackle, I'll do it again. Why? Because I also know that elite talented offensive tackles can play a variety of positions on the offensive line. I value the elite prospect.

 

David Caldwell will be judged by his ability or inability to produce a talented roster.

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If you have two elite players at a position that means somebody else has problems. If you can have five elite offensive linemen please do. I need to find equal value for every pick I use.

 

You keep drafting the best players available until your roster can not longer be improved talent-wise. Each addition to the roster builds talent. If you continue to draft well selecting the best possible football players you can find, all those needs go away. You have a talent-rich roster able to compete with the rest of the NFL.

 

Doesn't it take two tackles to play NFL football?

 

If I already have Luke Joeckel, why do I take Jake Matthews? Well, because you will have two elite tackles on the same roster. 

 

You are as talented at tackle as you can possibly be? Nope. If I can draft another elite tackle, I'll do it again. Why? Because I also know that elite talented offensive tackles can play a variety of positions on the offensive line. I value the elite prospect.

 

David Caldwell will be judged by his ability or inability to produce a talented roster.

 

You don't understand the difference between left and right tackles. Luke Joeckel said it was unnatural to play right tackle before Eugene Monroe was traded. RT is better as a run blocker. LT is better as a pass blocker. So yes, you want two elite tackles, but only if one is a natural on the right side.

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Or we could've went with your boy Damontre Moore who had a 87.9. I look forward to your retort.

Great pick. The Giants threw him into the defensive line mix and he's on his way. The Giants are bringing him right along.

 

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I don't think we need two QBs.

 

I don't see why not.  We've got at least two we don't need.

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Great pick. The Giants threw him into the defensive line mix and he's on his way. The Giants are bringing him right along.

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But, but, but...

Moore (6' 4" 250 Lbs.) did 12 reps. P Dylan Breeding (6' 1" 213 Lbs.) did 11 reps. WR Tavon Austin (5' 8" 174 Lbs.) did 14.

We really could have used Moore's 11 tackles.

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You don't understand the difference between left and right tackles. Luke Joeckel said it was unnatural to play right tackle before Eugene Monroe was traded. RT is better as a run blocker. LT is better as a pass blocker. So yes, you want two elite tackles, but only if one is a natural on the right side.

 

Luke was fine at right tackle. He adjusted very well. His elite talent was obvious.

 

Elite offensive line talent can play any position on the line. Just give him a little time to adjust his game.

 

Are you suggesting that Eugene Monroe was traded to pamper Luke Joeckel?

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But, but, but...



We really could have used Moore's 11 tackles.

But nothing. Aren't you taking something out of context?

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I don't see why not.  We've got at least two we don't need.

 

The point is we need to upgrade a lot of starter positions first, then worry about the backup quarterback.

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Luke was fine at right tackle. He adjusted very well. His elite talent was obvious.

 

Elite offensive line talent can play any position on the line. Just give him a little time to adjust his game.

 

Are you suggesting that Eugene Monroe was traded to pamper Luke Joeckel?

 

He wanted to play on the left side because he always did at TAMU.

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But nothing. Aren't you taking something out of context?

Nope. Someone stated that Kiper had Moore going 2nd in one of his early drafts (before the combine mind you) and you turned around and said it would be dumb to follow what Kiper says. You then posted Moore's reps vs other smaller players insinuating that he isn't that good.


But now I called you out for your blind following of NFL.com's grading system and of course you changed your tune on Damontre Moore and all 11 of his tackles.


Boom roasted.

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Nope. Someone stated that Kiper had Moore going 2nd in one of his early drafts (before the combine mind you) and you turned around and said it would be dumb to follow what Kiper says. You then posted Moore's reps vs other smaller players insinuating that he isn't that good.


But now I called you out for your blind following of NFL.com's grading system and of course you changed your tune on Damontre Moore and all 11 of his tackles.


Boom roasted.

 

Of course we all know Mike Mayock is much smarter than Mel Kiper.

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You always take the best player available regardless of what position that player plays. Why draft a less talented football player?

this is why I'll never understand your logic, I guess you were OK with drafting a punter in the third, why get a good solid starting QB like Wilson when you can have a probowl punter?

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This is why I'll never understand your logic. I guess you were OK with drafting a punter in the third. Why get a good solid starting QB like Wilson when you can have a Pro Bowl punter?

 

We actually did need a punter at the time. Sure, we needed a quarterback too, but is Bryan Anger not a better punter than Russell Wilson is a quarterback? I will never understand the criticism of that pick, especially now that some people are calling Wilson a "game manager" who is not a good pocket passer.

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Great pick. The Giants threw him into the defensive line mix and he's on his way.

on his way where? he's yet to register a sack

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The point is we need to upgrade a lot of starter positions first, then worry about the backup quarterback.

 

The QB position was so bad our backup started last year.  Seems like worth "worrying" about to me.

 

No one is "safe" at the position.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

We actually did need a punter at the time. Sure, we needed a quarterback too, but is Bryan Anger not a better punter than Russell Wilson is a quarterback? I will never understand the criticism of that pick,

yeah I didn't think about that, Anger is much better at punting than Wilson is at QBing, I think you changed my mind on this

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The QB position was so bad our backup started last year.  Seems like worth "worrying" about to me.

 

No one is "safe" at the position.

 

Just because Russell Wilson is better than Chad Henne does not mean we should have drafted Wilson. There must be a reason he dropped to the third round.

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Great pick. The Giants threw him into the defensive line mix and he's on his way. The Giants are bringing him right along.

 

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Couldn't the same thing be said about Gratz? So taking Gratz before Warford was terrible due to the draft grading on NFL.com. And though it's only been one season it's enough to show we made the wrong pick which should have been clear due to the draft grades. But then they show Moore having a higher draft grade but a "not so good" season. However the Giant's are bringing him along so we'll know a year or two later that the draft grading was correct on him. But using your argument, the draft grade should have warranted him producing right away like Warford. I honestly don't agree with what you're trying to prove.

 

It's just my opinion but there seems to be some sort of anti-Caldwell agenda. Was it letting MDJ test FA, the Tebow thing, or another player maybe? Serious question, not trying to poke fun.  

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