If we were to get Foles I'm trading back in the first and the taking Metcalf or Hockenson

I just read that Metcalf got cleared for his neck injury.  He's battled a lot of injuries.

If he's healthy, he would instantly give the Jaguars something they haven't had in a while-a big bodied receiver who can catch the intermediate pass who can also get deep.

I've seen Hockenson and Fant, but I need to see more of them. I know they used Hockenson as the in line TE (the traditional Y) and Fant as the move TE in many situations.  I would still like to see more.  I'd like to see some accurate, official heights and weights for them.  I've seen some on the internet where they are both basically the same guy (6'5, 232 or so), but I don't trust those measurements.  If I assume they are true, I would think they have to put on some weight.  The clips I've seen, these guys have gotten a lot of clean releases in their routes.  I'd like to see them get past a big, physical Sam or SS to get off the LOS.  That said, once these guys get into their routes, they are amazing.  Both get separation in their routes.  Fant has the ability to run away from defenses.  Hockenson gets deep separation too, but also does well in jump ball/contested catches.    

Like last year, even though I think TE is a need, I don't see them taking a TE early, unless our new OC has more input in the draft selection., especially since this is supposedly a deep TE draft.  TC's TE paradigm is a big, inline TE that can block and catch.  I'm not sure either guy fits, even though based on what I've seen, both are good prospects.

Taking Metcalf in the first will have to be a consideration if the scouts believe he is clearly the top receiver who can eventually be elite. I know past history shouldn't matter, but this team's track record with 1st round receivers has been terrible (Soward, Williams and Jones) and Metcalf's history of injuries would give me pause. I'd prefer getting the big offensive tackle in the 1st round and then waiting til rounds 2 or 3 for the receiver. Robinson and Lee were very solid 2nd round picks and Westbrook was a 4th round steal (due to character concerns).

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Grier out of everyone was the guy who should have thrived in this environment. Had 3 of his receivers with him and overall should have been the most polished QB present.

I'm not so sure the Senior Bowl matters much big picture wise apart from a handful of players every year

Why should Grier of been the most polished?  He only started 2 full years.  Lock, Jones, and Finley started 3 full years

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I just read that Metcalf got cleared for his neck injury.  He's battled a lot of injuries.

If he's healthy, he would instantly give the Jaguars something they haven't had in a while-a big bodied receiver who can catch the intermediate pass who can also get deep.

I've seen Hockenson and Fant, but I need to see more of them. I know they used Hockenson as the in line TE (the traditional Y) and Fant as the move TE in many situations.  I would still like to see more.  I'd like to see some accurate, official heights and weights for them.  I've seen some on the internet where they are both basically the same guy (6'5, 232 or so), but I don't trust those measurements.  If I assume they are true, I would think they have to put on some weight.  The clips I've seen, these guys have gotten a lot of clean releases in their routes.  I'd like to see them get past a big, physical Sam or SS to get off the LOS.  That said, once these guys get into their routes, they are amazing.  Both get separation in their routes.  Fant has the ability to run away from defenses.  Hockenson gets deep separation too, but also does well in jump ball/contested catches.    

Like last year, even though I think TE is a need, I don't see them taking a TE early, unless our new OC has more input in the draft selection., especially since this is supposedly a deep TE draft.  TC's TE paradigm is a big, inline TE that can block and catch.  I'm not sure either guy fits, even though based on what I've seen, both are good prospects.

Taking Metcalf in the first will have to be a consideration if the scouts believe he is clearly the top receiver who can eventually be elite. I know past history shouldn't matter, but this team's track record with 1st round receivers has been terrible (Soward, Williams and Jones) and Metcalf's history of injuries would give me pause. I'd prefer getting the big offensive tackle in the 1st round and then waiting til rounds 2 or 3 for the receiver. Robinson and Lee were very solid 2nd round picks and Westbrook was a 4th round steal (due to character concerns).

Lee was a solid 2nd round pick? You must think Yeldon was a solid 2nd round pick too?

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Grier out of everyone was the guy who should have thrived in this environment. Had 3 of his receivers with him and overall should have been the most polished QB present.

I'm not so sure the Senior Bowl matters much big picture wise apart from a handful of players every year

Why should Grier of been the most polished?  He only started 2 full years.  Lock, Jones, and Finley started 3 full years

Because his skillset is more polished than those guys. 

Being polished isn't just about playing more games.

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Why should Grier of been the most polished?  He only started 2 full years.  Lock, Jones, and Finley started 3 full years

Because his skillset is more polished than those guys. 

Being polished isn't just about playing more games.

You said he should of been the most polished.  The guys with an extra full year starting experience should be more polished but that's not always the case

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Because his skillset is more polished than those guys. 

Being polished isn't just about playing more games.

You said he should of been the most polished.  The guys with an extra full year starting experience should be more polished but that's not always the case

*Facepalm*. He "should" have been the most polished QB at the Senior Bowl because he was the most polished on tape for me.

What they do on the field is much more important than how many games they've played for me

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You said he should of been the most polished.  The guys with an extra full year starting experience should be more polished but that's not always the case

I could be confusing you with someone else, but I think you have said multiple times that Grier is the only QB you would trust to start day 1. Seems like you thought he was the most polished too at some point in the recent past.

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You said he should of been the most polished.  The guys with an extra full year starting experience should be more polished but that's not always the case

I could be confusing you with someone else, but I think you have said multiple times that Grier is the only QB you would trust to start day 1. Seems like you thought he was the most polished too at some point in the recent past.

No, I said I think they all should sit a year.  I think every QB should sit a year unless hes in the perfect situation with a ton of experience at the college level, and a highly QB prospect.  I'm not the guy that likes to throw rookies in day 1

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After watching the game I dont feel very warm and fuzzy about anyone. Daniel jones looked the best from what i saw but i also missed his pass that should have been picked. Maybe this year will be like the year the bills took ej manuel in the first and the rest of the QBs dropped to the 3rd and 4th. Id rather grab two Olinemen and a TE in the first 3 than a QB if Haskins is gone

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Grier out of everyone was the guy who should have thrived in this environment. Had 3 of his receivers with him and overall should have been the most polished QB present.

I'm not so sure the Senior Bowl matters much big picture wise apart from a handful of players every year

Why should Grier of been the most polished?  He only started 2 full years.  Lock, Jones, and Finley started 3 full years

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Taking Metcalf in the first will have to be a consideration if the scouts believe he is clearly the top receiver who can eventually be elite. I know past history shouldn't matter, but this team's track record with 1st round receivers has been terrible (Soward, Williams and Jones) and Metcalf's history of injuries would give me pause. I'd prefer getting the big offensive tackle in the 1st round and then waiting til rounds 2 or 3 for the receiver. Robinson and Lee were very solid 2nd round picks and Westbrook was a 4th round steal (due to character concerns).

Lee was a solid 2nd round pick?  You must think Yeldon was a solid 2nd round pick too?

Lee may not be a number 1 receiver, but he was the leading receiver for the Jags two seasons ago. His injury history has prevented him from getting to the next level, but I do consider him to be a solid receiver when on the field. As far as Yeldon goes, he was certainly disappointing as a 2nd rounder, especially when they could have had David Johnson. However, his performance last year was actually pretty good and I expect him to be offered a very good contract in free agency. He is a solid pass protector and receiver out of the backfield. Better examples would have been Kordell Taylor and Larry Smith, both 2nd round busts.

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Grier looked like Bortles... all I saw was feathers coming off the balls.... Lock looked good. That Penn state QB im intrigued in. The ball just zips out of his hand. And im gonna be watching the NT Saunders at the combine. He looked like he could be a beast.

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Let's Get Em!!!! Go Jags!

Grier looked like Bortles... all I saw was feathers coming off the balls.... Lock looked good. That Penn state QB im intrigued in. The ball just zips out of his hand. And im gonna be watching the NT Saunders at the combine. He looked like he could be a beast.

Told you guys his arm strength was not good. I'm not sure how the report got out that he throws a 60 something mph football. Look at griers tape,  its not even close to a mahomes who throws a 60mph something.  He's more in the area of a deshaun Watson, teddy bridwater velocity, Chad Pennington, cody Kessler.

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Grier looked like Bortles... all I saw was feathers coming off the balls.... Lock looked good. That Penn state QB im intrigued in. The ball just zips out of his hand. And im gonna be watching the NT Saunders at the combine. He looked like he could be a beast.

Told you guys his arm strength was not good. I'm not sure how the report got out that he throws a 60 something mph football. Look at griers tape,  its not even close to a mahomes who throws a 60mph something.  He's more in the area of a deshaun Watson, teddy bridwater velocity, Chad Pennington, cody Kessler.

It is a spiral though... does that help? Word is Borts is over with QB GURU Tom House right now learning how to really spin it... imagine we get Grier over to the GURU and get him to learn how to put some velocity on that pigskin we might be looking at a young Farve in the making!!!

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Grier looked bad, and Lock looked good. Haskins or Lock is a winner to me

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Grier looked bad, and Lock looked good. Haskins or Lock is a winner to me

You guys are putting way too much stock in the game itself.  The things the pro scouts weigh much more heavily is the week of practice and interviews.

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Grier looked like Bortles... all I saw was feathers coming off the balls.... Lock looked good. That Penn state QB im intrigued in. The ball just zips out of his hand. And im gonna be watching the NT Saunders at the combine. He looked like he could be a beast.

McSorley definitely made the right reads and got the ball out quick. He just missed on a few passes, if a NFL team thinks those accuracy inconsistencies can be fixed he can be a decent pick later in the draft.

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I just read that Metcalf got cleared for his neck injury.  He's battled a lot of injuries.

If he's healthy, he would instantly give the Jaguars something they haven't had in a while-a big bodied receiver who can catch the intermediate pass who can also get deep.

I've seen Hockenson and Fant, but I need to see more of them. I know they used Hockenson as the in line TE (the traditional Y) and Fant as the move TE in many situations.  I would still like to see more.  I'd like to see some accurate, official heights and weights for them.  I've seen some on the internet where they are both basically the same guy (6'5, 232 or so), but I don't trust those measurements.  If I assume they are true, I would think they have to put on some weight.  The clips I've seen, these guys have gotten a lot of clean releases in their routes.  I'd like to see them get past a big, physical Sam or SS to get off the LOS.  That said, once these guys get into their routes, they are amazing.  Both get separation in their routes.  Fant has the ability to run away from defenses.  Hockenson gets deep separation too, but also does well in jump ball/contested catches.    

Like last year, even though I think TE is a need, I don't see them taking a TE early, unless our new OC has more input in the draft selection., especially since this is supposedly a deep TE draft.  TC's TE paradigm is a big, inline TE that can block and catch.  I'm not sure either guy fits, even though based on what I've seen, both are good prospects.

Taking Metcalf in the first will have to be a consideration if the scouts believe he is clearly the top receiver who can eventually be elite. I know past history shouldn't matter, but this team's track record with 1st round receivers has been terrible (Soward, Williams and Jones) and Metcalf's history of injuries would give me pause. I'd prefer getting the big offensive tackle in the 1st round and then waiting til rounds 2 or 3 for the receiver. Robinson and Lee were very solid 2nd round picks and Westbrook was a 4th round steal (due to character concerns).

The Jaguars failures drafting wr in the first round is the same reason for a lot of their failures, they were "needs" drafting instead of best available player.

You can't make a great player just exist because you think you need someone at that position. The team needs to learn that you take great players every year, even if that means drafting center three years in a row. Stop leaving great players for your opponents while you take the garbage ones.

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Told you guys his arm strength was not good. I'm not sure how the report got out that he throws a 60 something mph football. Look at griers tape,  its not even close to a mahomes who throws a 60mph something.  He's more in the area of a deshaun Watson, teddy bridwater velocity, Chad Pennington, cody Kessler.

It is a spiral though... does that help? Word is Borts is over with QB GURU Tom House right now learning how to really spin it... imagine we get Grier over to the GURU and get him to learn how to put some velocity on that pigskin we might be looking at a young Farve in the making!!!

After Bortles gets his bachelors degree this summer, he'll be better than all the QBs in this draft, even Haskins.  Bortles Jaguars starter 2019.

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It is a spiral though... does that help? Word is Borts is over with QB GURU Tom House right now learning how to really spin it... imagine we get Grier over to the GURU and get him to learn how to put some velocity on that pigskin we might be looking at a young Farve in the making!!!

After Bortles gets his bachelors degree this summer, he'll be better than all the QBs in this draft, even Haskins.  Bortles Jaguars starter 2019.

Sarcasm?

I mean the guy have been there 3 or 4 times and it still hasn’t worked.

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Not really...I have not been high on Grier all year. Yes he has gaudy stats, but look at the offense he runs. I dont think he can make all of the throws, and his arm strength is average. Look at all the ducks he threw yesterday too. We dont anymore of that.
I had not been high on Lock either, just because he didnt play great vs SEC competition, but atleast he has the size and the arm talent. I think out of all the QBs at the Senior bowl he is the only one worth taking at 7.

I still think we have a shot at Haskins, I could see NYG taking Lock. I would be happy with Haskins, Murray, or Lock.

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There are very few guys that play both tackle positions good.  Id be more than happy with McGary.  Hopefully we resign Wells, who is good depth that the tackle position

I don't know about Wells.  I wasn't impressed with him before 2017. 

He played quite well in 2017, then seemed to regress until he got hurt this past season.

Wells got hurt so quickly this past season that I don't think he really played long enough to say that he regressed. He was also flip-flopping a bit between right and left tackle. He always seems to struggle more at right tackle, but I've been very pleased with Wells for a while now. He's improved so much over the guy he was a few years ago. 

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