The issue is your assumption and blindness to one side in defense of the other. I and many others don't relieve Trump of blame. They are all to blame. The issue is when you illogically assign blame to just him when there are obvious factors in play well before he gets involved. It is also intellectually dishonest to assign blame because of words used in an effort to negotiate. When did words start meaning more than actions? And no the bill signed was not the same as the bill offered in early December. That has been discussed and shown ad nauseum. The original bipartisan bill included $25B and yanked by Schumer. This is how we got in this mess! Trump eventually signing this current CR was not a matter of ratings or ego or whatever smoke and mirror you want to throw out there. It was a frustrated F-you to both sides of the aisle to get paychecks back in the hands of Federal workers. Enough was enough and the opportunity to negotiate and compromise on a bipartisan bill had run its course. Shutdown precedents is a lame excuse. This was not the first shutdown (Jimmy Carter(D), Reagan®, Bush®, Cinton(D), Obama(D), Trump®. Hey look, the only thing bipartisan related to shutdowns!

I agree, Pelosi refusing SOTU was purely political. Nothing of value in that move. She will forever be engrained in history as the first speaker to deny the POTUS a SOTU address in what had become the new norm of upholding the POTUS's constitutional responsibility of addressing Congress. Sure he could submit it in writing but don't you think the American people deserve to be intuned as well? It is one of a few times where all three branches of government are assembled together. Heck, even George Washington delivered his amongst a joint session.

I think you are operating on a strong assumption of your own, like these elected officials are doing the bidding of the American people. As evident on this board, the general public is somewhat clueless as to what is really going on in those chambers outside of what their favorite media outlet tells them. Few tune in to watch floor discussions or votes anymore. Few actually goe and read the Bills full text and amendments. This shutdown was a sad example of blind loyalty to party with a few defectors on both sides. There was blatant ignoring of Department funding requests, committee appropriations submittals/approvals, and executive appropriations reports/requests. All of the previously mentioned had border security funding to include mix methods (including barrier structures). This was not the sole request from the President or his pet project. This was at the request of Border Protection and their parent DHS. This funding request was a continuation from previously approved funding of barriers and sector protections that goes back multiple Presidencies. This is not a popularity issue and is pure obstructionism based on misinformation and partisanship. Probably still people thinking $5B+ is strictly for a wall. Their is no logical defense of how this shutdown occurred and the resist behavior of the House. In my opinion, DHS funding has been steadily rejected due to wanting an increase in ICE operations/funding. The wall is just an emotionally driven excuse. What does a Supreme Court nominee have to do with border security and government funding?

Do you understand that there is already multiple cases of precedents involving declaring a National Emergency in regards to immigration and/or border security? Probably not. The National Emergencies power is given to the President by Congress and there are currently upwards of 30 still in effect! If Congress doesn't want to give the POTUS this broad Constitutional statutory power, then they need to vote to revoke. I think most folks would be suprised to learn just what is available to the President when declaring a National Emergency. Want to scare yourself, you need to research PEADs or Presidential Emergency Action Documents. You might be able to find a few "cleared" archived documents that are usually Close Hold. As far as my blind loyalty, that has been and will be for the United States and the Constitution, not political party or figurehead.

Who holds the cards and who wins or loses is a matter of perspective. Unfortunately, most points of view are politicaly skewed and misinformed. Only the citizens suffer for the broad stupidity. Who would of thought the sovereignty and safety of our citizens was/is debatable?

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/...ection.pdf

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/...202019.pdf

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/up...curity.pdf

If there is such an emergency and such precedent, then what is the hold up?  Why wait if this is so straightforward, common, and pressing?  Every minute of delay just bolsters the argument that there isn't an emergency if it is so easy why shut down the government for 35+ days?  if what you assert is true then the presidents actions are baffling and illogical.   This board is not a complete reflection of society or the opinion of the country which after numerous polls has shown consistently that a majority of the country is against the wall, pick a time, a year ago, before the shutdown and after, still a majority oppose the wall.   You can blame a lack of an immigration deal on all parties involved, I guess even though Republicans have repeatedly been the ones to tank the big bipartisan immigration bills out of appeasement to the base, however, this shutdown was 100% on Trump.  He could have easily of signed the CR in December and continued to make his public push.  He thought the shutdown gave him leverage for some idiotic reason when in fact it has weakened him politically.  Negotiating during a shutdown would have just invited more down the road.   This is 100% about a wall ok maybe just 99% if he would have dropped the wall precondition he could easily have gotten the money for other border security measures and investments.  It's quite incredulous to suggest that the wall isn't the crux of the matter, it was heavily sold on the campaign, he repeatedly suggested that without it we will be overrun by drugs and crime.  Build the wall and crime will fall right?  

BTW Pelosi didn't prevent him completely from giving the SOTU, just during the shutdown, and low and behold its back on.  She'll go down in history all right, as the first Speaker to win a shutdown and the one who made Trump cave after the longest shutdown in history.

This isn't difficult. He owes it to Congress to let them do their job. You can cite all the polls you'd like about what people think about a "wall". It's about border security that includes multiple measures as identified by the responsible agency, not what Jenny from Maine thinks about the wall. The Dems have pushed over and over that the "wall" is evil/immoral and the media have parroted the same. The slow thinkers have now latched onto that saggy teat. I feel like a broken record on here even after providing fact after fact and link after link. The fact remains, no measure implemented alone at the border will work or stand on its own as an effective deterrent. They must be used in concert with all the other pieces. Only under this President have the Dems walked back on that thought and held funding hostage. I agree though, for the Dems, it is 100% about a wall but for the Reps and those that pay attention, it is about border security.

I feel like you just type your emotional thoughts on here with zero understanding of reality and 100% opinion. You're entitled and I get that. However, it feels like no effort has been given by you to research outside of your emotional opinion or what your party tells you. I even tried to offer up documentation to help you along the way. At this point, I'll let you believe what you believe and grasp partisan rhetoric as fact. I can't waste time offering up information you could find on your own, only to have you just dismiss it.

Yeah, Pelosi wins a shutdown . She really is a shining example and showed women how not to be bullied by a man...etc, etc. All her old, rich, white millionaire friends will be sure to send her thank you cards for the continuance of cheap immigrant day labor. I wouldn't hold your breath for yours!

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Again, you continue to look at this from a win/loss standpoint. The president has a responsibility to 325M people and Pelosi has a responsibility to 0 people. He has said a million times that he does not want to use his constitutional powers to build the wall and that he simply wants congress to DO THEIR JOB. Congress is not doing their job. That is the main issue here, but please continue to look at them as "winning".

Congress' job is not to do the President's bidding. The legislative branch exists as a check on executive powers specifically for cases like this, where the President wants a fence and over half of the country thinks we have better things to do with our time and money than keep mule deer from walking across an imaginary line forty miles east of Antelope Wells.

It doesn't matter what "over half of the country thinks" when it comes to upholding the laws of our country and upholding The Constitution.  It's about border security.

Go ask the family of Robert Krentz what they think.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

The fact of the matter is it is needed for the defense of our country and citizens.  

No, that's your opinion, and the presentation of your opinion as fact on a matter of national security is example numero uno of why neither party should ever, ever have complete control of all three branches. It is the opinion of a minority of Americans that failing to fund a border wall somehow equates to dereliction of duty by the Speaker of the House. In truth, plenty of alternatives that aren't as ineffective and environmentally destructive have already been proposed, but the opinion of that minority of Americans continues to be that it's wall or nothing.

Opinion.

Put the damn sensors in the ground, install the IR cameras, send up the drones, enhance screening procedures at legal points of entry, beef up Border Patrol staffing in sectors that need it most and enjoy the continuing decline in illegal immigration. I would consider that to be addressing the problem in a cost-effective and environmentally responsible manner, and last I checked, that's been on the table for a long time. It's just that dopey little fence that a minority of this country somehow thinks they're entitled to holding things up.

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If there is such an emergency and such precedent, then what is the hold up?  Why wait if this is so straightforward, common, and pressing?  Every minute of delay just bolsters the argument that there isn't an emergency if it is so easy why shut down the government for 35+ days?  if what you assert is true then the presidents actions are baffling and illogical.   This board is not a complete reflection of society or the opinion of the country which after numerous polls has shown consistently that a majority of the country is against the wall, pick a time, a year ago, before the shutdown and after, still a majority oppose the wall.   You can blame a lack of an immigration deal on all parties involved, I guess even though Republicans have repeatedly been the ones to tank the big bipartisan immigration bills out of appeasement to the base, however, this shutdown was 100% on Trump.  He could have easily of signed the CR in December and continued to make his public push.  He thought the shutdown gave him leverage for some idiotic reason when in fact it has weakened him politically.  Negotiating during a shutdown would have just invited more down the road.   This is 100% about a wall ok maybe just 99% if he would have dropped the wall precondition he could easily have gotten the money for other border security measures and investments.  It's quite incredulous to suggest that the wall isn't the crux of the matter, it was heavily sold on the campaign, he repeatedly suggested that without it we will be overrun by drugs and crime.  Build the wall and crime will fall right?  

BTW Pelosi didn't prevent him completely from giving the SOTU, just during the shutdown, and low and behold its back on.  She'll go down in history all right, as the first Speaker to win a shutdown and the one who made Trump cave after the longest shutdown in history.

This isn't difficult. He owes it to Congress to let them do their job. You can cite all the polls you'd like about what people think about a "wall". It's about border security that includes multiple measures as identified by the responsible agency, not what Jenny from Maine thinks about the wall. The Dems have pushed over and over that the "wall" is evil/immoral and the media have parroted the same. The slow thinkers have now latched onto that saggy teat. I feel like a broken record on here even after providing fact after fact and link after link. The fact remains, no measure implemented alone at the border will work or stand on its own as an effective deterrent. They must be used in concert with all the other pieces. Only under this President have the Dems walked back on that thought and held funding hostage. I agree though, for the Dems, it is 100% about a wall but for the Reps and those that pay attention, it is about border security.

I feel like you just type your emotional thoughts on here with zero understanding of reality and 100% opinion. You're entitled and I get that. However, it feels like no effort has been given by you to research outside of your emotional opinion or what your party tells you. I even tried to offer up documentation to help you along the way. At this point, I'll let you believe what you believe and grasp partisan rhetoric as fact. I can't waste time offering up information you could find on your own, only to have you just dismiss it.

Yeah, Pelosi wins a shutdown . She really is a shining example and showed women how not to be bullied by a man...etc, etc. All her old, rich, white millionaire friends will be sure to send her thank you cards for the continuance of cheap immigrant day labor. I wouldn't hold your breath for yours!

Lets look at the unemotional stats to refute the justification for a wall.

A wall will stop illegal drugs yet..

According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics, 90 percent of heroin seized along the border, 88 percent of cocaine, 87 percent of methamphetamine, and 80 percent of fentanyl in the first 11 months of the 2018 fiscal year was caught trying to be smuggled in at legal crossing points.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...591279002/

A wall will prevent illegal immigrants from reaching the country yet most illegal immigrants entered the country legally. Yet more according to new data about 2/3 of new illegal immigrants this year entered the country legally.
"It also projected that overstays made up about two-thirds of the total number of people who became unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. that year."

https://www.politifact.com/california/st...ll-people/


There's a crisis at the border, yet the number of illegal crossings is at a decades old low

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/po...gnId=7JLFJ

And the most shameless reason, one that they aren't even repeating after even Fox News checked them on it
Terrorist enter the southern border yet there has been no credible evidence of such a thing

https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-contai...d=60209995

I guess that zero understanding of reality works both ways huh?

You know why most people are against the wall?  They don't think it will be effective and know it will cost a lot of money, much more than the initial 5.7B  numbers put it at 20B+, they see this as what it is obviously  grossly simplified solution to a complex problem, they see it as a large vanity project for Trump's self esteem.  They don't see immigrants as an invading hoard bringing death and destruction but mostly as people looking for a better life.  They see right through the fear mongering, the calls that this will prevent American society itself from collapsing.  Catchy three line campaign promises don't solve this issue.

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The fact of the matter is it is needed for the defense of our country and citizens.  

No, that's your opinion, and the presentation of your opinion as fact on a matter of national security is example numero uno of why neither party should ever, ever have complete control of all three branches. It is the opinion of a minority of Americans that failing to fund a border wall somehow equates to dereliction of duty by the Speaker of the House. In truth, plenty of alternatives that aren't as ineffective and environmentally destructive have already been proposed, but the opinion of that minority of Americans continues to be that it's wall or nothing.

Opinion.

Put the damn sensors in the ground, install the IR cameras, send up the drones, enhance screening procedures at legal points of entry, beef up Border Patrol staffing in sectors that need it most and enjoy the continuing decline in illegal immigration. I would consider that to be addressing the problem in a cost-effective and environmentally responsible manner, and last I checked, that's been on the table for a long time. It's just that dopey little fence that a minority of this country somehow thinks they're entitled to holding things up.

Tell that to the ranchers and the Indian Tribes along the border that have vehicles driving across their land filled with drugs or doing human trafficking.  The same ones that have property either damaged or stolen from them.

If drug cartels or human traffickers can do it, then pretty much anyone with malicious intent is able to do it.

National security is mandated by The Constitution and is the job of the federal government.  It doesn't matter if it's a "minority of Americans" that think that it needs to be addressed (though I doubt the 'minority' part which is opinion on your part).  It's the law and not my or a "minority" of the population's "opinion".  Border security provides for the common defense.

Where you are also wrong is that the opinion of the very people that live along the border is that along with a barrier of some type more border patrol agents are needed.  That's fact.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

No, that's your opinion, and the presentation of your opinion as fact on a matter of national security is example numero uno of why neither party should ever, ever have complete control of all three branches. It is the opinion of a minority of Americans that failing to fund a border wall somehow equates to dereliction of duty by the Speaker of the House. In truth, plenty of alternatives that aren't as ineffective and environmentally destructive have already been proposed, but the opinion of that minority of Americans continues to be that it's wall or nothing.

Opinion.

Put the damn sensors in the ground, install the IR cameras, send up the drones, enhance screening procedures at legal points of entry, beef up Border Patrol staffing in sectors that need it most and enjoy the continuing decline in illegal immigration. I would consider that to be addressing the problem in a cost-effective and environmentally responsible manner, and last I checked, that's been on the table for a long time. It's just that dopey little fence that a minority of this country somehow thinks they're entitled to holding things up.

Tell that to the ranchers and the Indian Tribes along the border that have vehicles driving across their land filled with drugs or doing human trafficking.  The same ones that have property either damaged or stolen from them.

If drug cartels or human traffickers can do it, then pretty much anyone with malicious intent is able to do it.

National security is mandated by The Constitution and is the job of the federal government.  It doesn't matter if it's a "minority of Americans" that think that it needs to be addressed (though I doubt the 'minority' part which is opinion on your part).  It's the law and not my or a "minority" of the population's "opinion".  Border security provides for the common defense.

Where you are also wrong is that the opinion of the very people that live along the border is that along with a barrier of some type more border patrol agents are needed.  That's fact.

No. It's an opinion. My opinion is that bubblegum is the most nausea-inducing substance ever created. It's a fact that that's my opinion, but it's still an opinion. My opinion does not mean that domestic policy should spend billions of dollars outlawing bubblegum.

A wall in the desert is a waste of funds better allocated to more flexible and effective means of border security, and it would be an environmental disaster on top of that. The electronic wall combined with much tougher and much more heavily enforced legislation surrounding the employment and lodging of illegal immigrants would go a long way towards solving the problem.

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This isn't difficult. He owes it to Congress to let them do their job. You can cite all the polls you'd like about what people think about a "wall". It's about border security that includes multiple measures as identified by the responsible agency, not what Jenny from Maine thinks about the wall. The Dems have pushed over and over that the "wall" is evil/immoral and the media have parroted the same. The slow thinkers have now latched onto that saggy teat. I feel like a broken record on here even after providing fact after fact and link after link. The fact remains, no measure implemented alone at the border will work or stand on its own as an effective deterrent. They must be used in concert with all the other pieces. Only under this President have the Dems walked back on that thought and held funding hostage. I agree though, for the Dems, it is 100% about a wall but for the Reps and those that pay attention, it is about border security.

I feel like you just type your emotional thoughts on here with zero understanding of reality and 100% opinion. You're entitled and I get that. However, it feels like no effort has been given by you to research outside of your emotional opinion or what your party tells you. I even tried to offer up documentation to help you along the way. At this point, I'll let you believe what you believe and grasp partisan rhetoric as fact. I can't waste time offering up information you could find on your own, only to have you just dismiss it.

Yeah, Pelosi wins a shutdown . She really is a shining example and showed women how not to be bullied by a man...etc, etc. All her old, rich, white millionaire friends will be sure to send her thank you cards for the continuance of cheap immigrant day labor. I wouldn't hold your breath for yours!

Lets look at the unemotional stats to refute the justification for a wall.

A wall will stop illegal drugs yet..

According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics, 90 percent of heroin seized along the border, 88 percent of cocaine, 87 percent of methamphetamine, and 80 percent of fentanyl in the first 11 months of the 2018 fiscal year was caught trying to be smuggled in at legal crossing points.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...591279002/

A wall will prevent illegal immigrants from reaching the country yet most illegal immigrants entered the country legally. Yet more according to new data about 2/3 of new illegal immigrants this year entered the country legally.
"It also projected that overstays made up about two-thirds of the total number of people who became unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. that year."

https://www.politifact.com/california/st...ll-people/


There's a crisis at the border, yet the number of illegal crossings is at a decades old low

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/po...gnId=7JLFJ

And the most shameless reason, one that they aren't even repeating after even Fox News checked them on it
Terrorist enter the southern border yet there has been no credible evidence of such a thing

https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-contai...d=60209995

I guess that zero understanding of reality works both ways huh?

You know why most people are against the wall?  They don't think it will be effective and know it will cost a lot of money, much more than the initial 5.7B  numbers put it at 20B+, they see this as what it is obviously  grossly simplified solution to a complex problem, they see it as a large vanity project for Trump's self esteem.  They don't see immigrants as an invading hoard bringing death and destruction but mostly as people looking for a better life.  They see right through the fear mongering, the calls that this will prevent American society itself from collapsing.  Catchy three line campaign promises don't solve this issue.

Wouldn’t those declining numbers in recently constructed wall sectors be justification that barriers are working? Seems to prove a point. Also the fact a large percentage of drugs are being intercepted at ports of entry shows barrier funnel works as expected. Yet there are still known vulnerabilities and porous sectors. You could have garnered this from many of the DHS and CBP reports previously posted. I guess we can just go with the status quo and keep America reactionary huh? Not a problem until it is, right? Nevermind upkeep/improvement of current barriers supported by the last two Dem Presidents and by CBP’s Strategic Plan. Not sure why you are still stating the “wall” is the sole issue. You are also falsely connecting $5B+ to just the cost of the wall. Once again, claiming this is just a Trump demand/project. Keep ignoring any of the three budget sources given to you earlier to see entire breakdown of the nearly $6B request.

FYI, overstays were 42% which leaves nearly 60% illegal entry. Illegal immigration issues go beyond death and destruction. That is a grossly simplistic point of few and one the left uses as a dismissive tactic. There is human trafficking, child rape, gang flow, abuse of services, and a huge financial toll. Illegal is illegal no matter the color of lipstick. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. 

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/rep...s-taxpayer

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2019/01/07/myth...est-aliens

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Lets look at the unemotional stats to refute the justification for a wall.

A wall will stop illegal drugs yet..

According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics, 90 percent of heroin seized along the border, 88 percent of cocaine, 87 percent of methamphetamine, and 80 percent of fentanyl in the first 11 months of the 2018 fiscal year was caught trying to be smuggled in at legal crossing points.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...591279002/

A wall will prevent illegal immigrants from reaching the country yet most illegal immigrants entered the country legally. Yet more according to new data about 2/3 of new illegal immigrants this year entered the country legally.
"It also projected that overstays made up about two-thirds of the total number of people who became unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. that year."

https://www.politifact.com/california/st...ll-people/


There's a crisis at the border, yet the number of illegal crossings is at a decades old low

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/po...gnId=7JLFJ

And the most shameless reason, one that they aren't even repeating after even Fox News checked them on it
Terrorist enter the southern border yet there has been no credible evidence of such a thing

https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-contai...d=60209995

I guess that zero understanding of reality works both ways huh?

You know why most people are against the wall?  They don't think it will be effective and know it will cost a lot of money, much more than the initial 5.7B  numbers put it at 20B+, they see this as what it is obviously  grossly simplified solution to a complex problem, they see it as a large vanity project for Trump's self esteem.  They don't see immigrants as an invading hoard bringing death and destruction but mostly as people looking for a better life.  They see right through the fear mongering, the calls that this will prevent American society itself from collapsing.  Catchy three line campaign promises don't solve this issue.

Wouldn’t those declining numbers in recently constructed wall sectors be justification that barriers are working? Seems to prove a point. Also the fact a large percentage of drugs are being intercepted at ports of entry shows barrier funnel works as expected. Yet there are still known vulnerabilities and porous sectors. You could have garnered this from many of the DHS and CBP reports previously posted. I guess we can just go with the status quo and keep America reactionary huh? Not a problem until it is, right? Nevermind upkeep/improvement of current barriers supported by the last two Dem Presidents and by CBP’s Strategic Plan. Not sure why you are still stating the “wall” is the sole issue. You are also falsely connecting $5B+ to just the cost of the wall. Once again, claiming this is just a Trump demand/project. Keep ignoring any of the three budget sources given to you earlier to see entire breakdown of the nearly $6B request.

FYI, overstays were 42% which leaves nearly 60% illegal entry. Illegal immigration issues go beyond death and destruction. That is a grossly simplistic point of few and one the left uses as a dismissive tactic. There is human trafficking, child rape, gang flow, abuse of services, and a huge financial toll. Illegal is illegal no matter the color of lipstick. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. 

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/rep...s-taxpayer

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2019/01/07/myth...est-aliens

No one is saying that there aren't serious problems, what's evident is in no way to the above stats point to an emergency, and not a worsening situation.   Interdiction at the points of entry does not prove the funnel method is working, its much easier to hide in plain sight than to attempt to traverse open terrain, and given the fact that such a minute percentage of packages are checked at POE, drug smugglers will most likely choose to move product in these ways.  If Trump proposed increases in border security measures with only repairs and improvements to existing walls there would be little problem garnering public support for the measure.  But he wants to build a "Big beautiful wall", sea to shining sea.   If he had any strategy or tact he would take this deal and continue to push for a wall, but his base won't let that slide and he loses face if he doesn't get that big beautiful wall of vanity he promised repeatedly.  Or he can offer up DACA/TPS permanent protections and citizenship and get his wall, but I assume the right would scream AMNESTY! at the top of their lungs.  Trump fails because he can't appeal to enough people and he has been terrible at moving minds to his side.  You have to build consensus to be a capable president, Trump is terrible at this, he can only play well in front of the home crowd.   Did you see his address to America?, it was all of 8 minutes, a pretty half hearted effort, and just rehashed old themes, he is the same guy that got off the escalator and call illegal Mexican immigrants mostly rapist and murderers.  He is sticking to this strategy and this only works for republicans, its not moving independents.  You can't have a caustic personality and presence and then expect people to be willing to work with you, you can't continuously run afoul of the truth and expect people to believe anything you say.

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Wouldn’t those declining numbers in recently constructed wall sectors be justification that barriers are working? Seems to prove a point. Also the fact a large percentage of drugs are being intercepted at ports of entry shows barrier funnel works as expected. Yet there are still known vulnerabilities and porous sectors. You could have garnered this from many of the DHS and CBP reports previously posted. I guess we can just go with the status quo and keep America reactionary huh? Not a problem until it is, right? Nevermind upkeep/improvement of current barriers supported by the last two Dem Presidents and by CBP’s Strategic Plan. Not sure why you are still stating the “wall” is the sole issue. You are also falsely connecting $5B+ to just the cost of the wall. Once again, claiming this is just a Trump demand/project. Keep ignoring any of the three budget sources given to you earlier to see entire breakdown of the nearly $6B request.

FYI, overstays were 42% which leaves nearly 60% illegal entry. Illegal immigration issues go beyond death and destruction. That is a grossly simplistic point of few and one the left uses as a dismissive tactic. There is human trafficking, child rape, gang flow, abuse of services, and a huge financial toll. Illegal is illegal no matter the color of lipstick. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. 

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/rep...s-taxpayer

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2019/01/07/myth...est-aliens

No one is saying that there aren't serious problems, what's evident is in no way to the above stats point to an emergency, and not a worsening situation.   Interdiction at the points of entry does not prove the funnel method is working, its much easier to hide in plain sight than to attempt to traverse open terrain, and given the fact that such a minute percentage of packages are checked at POE, drug smugglers will most likely choose to move product in these ways.  If Trump proposed increases in border security measures with only repairs and improvements to existing walls there would be little problem garnering public support for the measure.  But he wants to build a "Big beautiful wall", sea to shining sea.   If he had any strategy or tact he would take this deal and continue to push for a wall, but his base won't let that slide and he loses face if he doesn't get that big beautiful wall of vanity he promised repeatedly.  Or he can offer up DACA/TPS permanent protections and citizenship and get his wall, but I assume the right would scream AMNESTY! at the top of their lungs.  Trump fails because he can't appeal to enough people and he has been terrible at moving minds to his side.  You have to build consensus to be a capable president, Trump is terrible at this, he can only play well in front of the home crowd.   Did you see his address to America?, it was all of 8 minutes, a pretty half hearted effort, and just rehashed old themes, he is the same guy that got off the escalator and call illegal Mexican immigrants mostly rapist and murderers.  He is sticking to this strategy and this only works for republicans, its not moving independents.  You can't have a caustic personality and presence and then expect people to be willing to work with you, you can't continuously run afoul of the truth and expect people to believe anything you say.

Still stuck on vanity project huh? 

A Presidency should be run like homecoming court, got it. We’ll have to make sure he passes out lollipops and buttons at the SOTU.

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