Dude.... the Packers have Aaron bleepin’ Rodgers and their offensive line was in far better shape than ours... and they STILL missed the playoffs. Do you SERIOUSLY think Aaron Rodgers would’ve survived with our 3rd string line with NO TE and one solid WR with the rest unproven?

Titans week 3 (lost 9-3) 

Texans week 7 (lost 20-7) 

Colts week 10 (lost 29-26) 

Steelers week 11 (lost 16-20) 

Bills week 12 (lost 21-24) 

Redskins week 15 ( lost 13-16)  

You are delusional if you think Aaron Rodgers in those exact scenarios wouldn't have won most of those games. With even below average QBing instead of bottom 5 QBing we'd have won at very least 4. Even independent of the offensive line and lack of talent.

It's wild to me that people watched this season and don't think our biggest problem was the god awful QB play

No, to me our biggest problem this season was injuries.   We lost almost every position on offense at one time or another, many for the entire season.  

WR, TE, LT, LG, C, RB, all of those were lost for most of the season.  We lost our best WR, our starting TE, our starting LT, a 2nd string LT, a 3rd string LT, we were playing our 4th left tackle!  And you can just keep marching across the line and into the backfield with the players that were lost for most of the season.  Our offense was wiped out.  

I'll grant you that we need to get a better QB, but to say our biggest problem was QB play is just wrong in my opinion.

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Titans week 3 (lost 9-3) 

Texans week 7 (lost 20-7) 

Colts week 10 (lost 29-26) 

Steelers week 11 (lost 16-20) 

Bills week 12 (lost 21-24) 

Redskins week 15 ( lost 13-16)  

You are delusional if you think Aaron Rodgers in those exact scenarios wouldn't have won most of those games. With even below average QBing instead of bottom 5 QBing we'd have won at very least 4. Even independent of the offensive line and lack of talent.

It's wild to me that people watched this season and don't think our biggest problem was the god awful QB play

No, to me our biggest problem this season was injuries.   We lost almost every position on offense at one time or another, many for the entire season.  

WR, TE, LT, LG, C, RB, all of those were lost for most of the season.  We lost our best WR, our starting TE, our starting LT, a 2nd string LT, a 3rd string LT, we were playing our 4th left tackle!  And you can just keep marching across the line and into the backfield with the players that were lost for most of the season.  Our offense was wiped out.  

I'll grant you that we need to get a better QB, but to say our biggest problem was QB play is just wrong in my opinion.

What I'm reading is the Jags keep BB5 since the O-line is coming back 100%, we will have LF for a full season, Lee back, and we are a legit playoff team again?

OK. so lets play a small game here.......BB5 is back in 2019 since he is getting paid anyways (CAP SAVINGS), stay at #7 draft BPA for the offense. Heck pick offense first 4 picks. 

I mean let's keep BB5 then right? Let's see what he does under the new OC on a run heavy offense with our offense at 100%.

(Sarcasm at 100%)

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LOVE THEM JAGUARS!

Titans week 3 (lost 9-3) 

Texans week 7 (lost 20-7) 

Colts week 10 (lost 29-26) 

Steelers week 11 (lost 16-20) 

Bills week 12 (lost 21-24) 

Redskins week 15 ( lost 13-16)  

You are delusional if you think Aaron Rodgers in those exact scenarios wouldn't have won most of those games. With even below average QBing instead of bottom 5 QBing we'd have won at very least 4. Even independent of the offensive line and lack of talent.

It's wild to me that people watched this season and don't think our biggest problem was the god awful QB play

No, to me our biggest problem this season was injuries.   We lost almost every position on offense at one time or another, many for the entire season.  

WR, TE, LT, LG, C, RB, all of those were lost for most of the season.  We lost our best WR, our starting TE, our starting LT, a 2nd string LT, a 3rd string LT, we were playing our 4th left tackle!  And you can just keep marching across the line and into the backfield with the players that were lost for most of the season.  Our offense was wiped out.  

I'll grant you that we need to get a better QB, but to say our biggest problem was QB play is just wrong in my opinion.

Even with all the injuries we were STILL in with finishing .500 or above with better QB play. That means the biggest issue was the QB position.  It's just way more important than any other factor this year.

Perfect example is the Redskins game. Was our offensive line ravaged? Yes, did we have very few skill positions? Yes (btw Westbrook is our best WR) , does slightly better QB play win that? Yes. The biggest issue that day was our lack of QB play. Same as it was almost every close game this year

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More information on the topic that was left out of the original post:

https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2019/01...cap-space/

"As of this week, the Jags were just over $1.5 million in the negative, according to Over the Cap, so the roll over amount will put them at roughly $10.1 million when added based off those figures. With them reportedly looking to cut defensive tackle Malik Jackson this offseason, they could be looking at another $11 million saved towards the cap, while their projected release of Blake Bortles could save them a little over $4.3 million immediately, or $9.3 million after the offseason if done post-June 1.

The Jags could also save more cap space by releasing veterans like safety Tashaun Gipson, offensive tackle Jermey Parnell, tight end Austin Seferian-Jenkins (officially) and running back Carlos Hyde among notables. Restructuring Marcell Dareus’ deal, like they are currently doing with Calais Campbell, could also add more cap space."

So, there's certainly room to go after a veteran QB.

Interesting that they'll save more if they hold on to Bortles until after June 1.  Every penny will help with some key re-signings coming up.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CAP?!!!

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BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CAP?!!!

It's not "what about the cap right now?" 

It's "what about the cap when Ramsey and Ngakoue have to get paid?"

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BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CAP?!!!

It's not "what about the cap right now?" 

It's "what about the cap when Ramsey and Ngakoue have to get paid?"

When its time for them to get paid, "next year" then guys like Dareus, Campbell, Lee, Gipson, Parnell, Hyde, and the rest of Bortles contract will all likely be gone at that point

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No, to me our biggest problem this season was injuries.   We lost almost every position on offense at one time or another, many for the entire season.  

WR, TE, LT, LG, C, RB, all of those were lost for most of the season.  We lost our best WR, our starting TE, our starting LT, a 2nd string LT, a 3rd string LT, we were playing our 4th left tackle!  And you can just keep marching across the line and into the backfield with the players that were lost for most of the season.  Our offense was wiped out.  

I'll grant you that we need to get a better QB, but to say our biggest problem was QB play is just wrong in my opinion.

Even with all the injuries we were STILL in with finishing .500 or above with better QB play. That means the biggest issue was the QB position.  It's just way more important than any other factor this year.

Perfect example is the Redskins game. Was our offensive line ravaged? Yes, did we have very few skill positions? Yes (btw Westbrook is our best WR) , does slightly better QB play win that? Yes. The biggest issue that day was our lack of QB play. Same as it was almost every close game this year

So, you think if we'd had, say Aaron Rodgers, and all the injuries, we'd have done better than if we'd had Blake Bortles, and no injuries?   I respectfully disagree.   

I'm not saying we don't need to replace Bortles.   I'm saying Bortles was our second biggest problem.   Injuries were our biggest problem.

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Even with all the injuries we were STILL in with finishing .500 or above with better QB play. That means the biggest issue was the QB position.  It's just way more important than any other factor this year.

Perfect example is the Redskins game. Was our offensive line ravaged? Yes, did we have very few skill positions? Yes (btw Westbrook is our best WR) , does slightly better QB play win that? Yes. The biggest issue that day was our lack of QB play. Same as it was almost every close game this year

So, you think if we'd had, say Aaron Rodgers, and all the injuries, we'd have done better than if we'd had Blake Bortles, and no injuries?   I respectfully disagree.   

I'm not saying we don't need to replace Bortles.   I'm saying Bortles was our second biggest problem.   Injuries were our biggest problem.

Without a shadow of a doubt. Not sure you realise how important QB is and how great the bump is from Blake Bortles and Kessler to Aaron Rodgers. As detailed above, we would have finished at very least .500 despite all the injuries. 

Remember , the vast majority of the roster were in serious regression before the major injury crises really hit. Marqise Lee , Cam and ASJ weren't turning the ship around in the first 9 weeks with Blake playing like that

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So, you think if we'd had, say Aaron Rodgers, and all the injuries, we'd have done better than if we'd had Blake Bortles, and no injuries?   I respectfully disagree.   

I'm not saying we don't need to replace Bortles.   I'm saying Bortles was our second biggest problem.   Injuries were our biggest problem.

Without a shadow of a doubt. Not sure you realise how important QB is and how great the bump is from Blake Bortles and Kessler to Aaron Rodgers. As detailed above, we would have finished at very least .500 despite all the injuries. 

Remember , the vast majority of the roster were in serious regression before the major injury crises really hit. Marqise Lee , Cam and ASJ weren't turning the ship around in the first 9 weeks with Blake playing like that

Then why didn't Green Bay finish .500?

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No, to me our biggest problem this season was injuries.   We lost almost every position on offense at one time or another, many for the entire season.  

WR, TE, LT, LG, C, RB, all of those were lost for most of the season.  We lost our best WR, our starting TE, our starting LT, a 2nd string LT, a 3rd string LT, we were playing our 4th left tackle!  And you can just keep marching across the line and into the backfield with the players that were lost for most of the season.  Our offense was wiped out.  

I'll grant you that we need to get a better QB, but to say our biggest problem was QB play is just wrong in my opinion.

Even with all the injuries we were STILL in with finishing .500 or above with better QB play. That means the biggest issue was the QB position.  It's just way more important than any other factor this year.

Perfect example is the Redskins game. Was our offensive line ravaged? Yes, did we have very few skill positions? Yes (btw Westbrook is our best WR) , does slightly better QB play win that? Yes. The biggest issue that day was our lack of QB play. Same as it was almost every close game this year

I see you think that god awful run first offense is the solution with a better qb.  I wouldnt care if who we draft or get in FA.  Continuing to get stuffed on the early downs and passing on 3rd and long is insanity.  it hasnt worked consistently and doesnt work with no TE receiving threats or number one receiver.  smh, i need to go back on my hiatus from fellow jags fans

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

Even with all the injuries we were STILL in with finishing .500 or above with better QB play. That means the biggest issue was the QB position.  It's just way more important than any other factor this year.

Perfect example is the Redskins game. Was our offensive line ravaged? Yes, did we have very few skill positions? Yes (btw Westbrook is our best WR) , does slightly better QB play win that? Yes. The biggest issue that day was our lack of QB play. Same as it was almost every close game this year

I see you think that god awful run first offense is the solution with a better qb.  I wouldnt care if who we draft or get in FA.  Continuing to get stuffed on the early downs and passing on 3rd and long is insanity.  it hasnt worked consistently and doesnt work with no TE receiving threats or number one receiver.  smh, i need to go back on my hiatus from fellow jags fans

Where exactly did I say any of that

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I see you think that god awful run first offense is the solution with a better qb.  I wouldnt care if who we draft or get in FA.  Continuing to get stuffed on the early downs and passing on 3rd and long is insanity.  it hasnt worked consistently and doesnt work with no TE receiving threats or number one receiver.  smh, i need to go back on my hiatus from fellow jags fans

Where exactly did I say any of that

I'm not a MB copy/paste expert but you clearly said better qb play would win games.  I'm telling you no matter who the QB is, we have gameplan and personnel flaws that wont change the outcome.  Keep blaming the QB tho and ignoring the failures of the GM, OC, and HC.

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

Where exactly did I say any of that

I'm not a MB copy/paste expert but you clearly said better qb play would win games.  I'm telling you no matter who the QB is, we have gameplan and personnel flaws that wont change the outcome.  Keep blaming the QB tho and ignoring the failures of the GM, OC, and HC.

Well.... Duh.

The best way to have continued and consistent success in the NFL is with good QB play. Aaron Rodgers make so many WRs look good that he would have made Westbrook, Chark, Cole and Moncrief look good. Let's also not forget how bad of a coach McCarthy is. He refused to play Aaron Jones for some reason for most of the season. 

I can't even comprehend how people can say that with arguably the most talented QB of all time, this team wouldn't have won more game this year. They lost by 4 to the Steelers (Bortles threw for 104 that game), lost by 3 to the Skins (Kessler threw for 57 and a pick), lost by 3 to the Bills (Bortles threw for 127 and 2 picks) and lost by 3 to the Titans (Bortles threw for 155 in week 3).

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Without a shadow of a doubt. Not sure you realise how important QB is and how great the bump is from Blake Bortles and Kessler to Aaron Rodgers. As detailed above, we would have finished at very least .500 despite all the injuries. 

Remember , the vast majority of the roster were in serious regression before the major injury crises really hit. Marqise Lee , Cam and ASJ weren't turning the ship around in the first 9 weeks with Blake playing like that

Then why didn't Green Bay finish .500?

Playing devil's advocate here, but with the Jags' defense the packers would have had a bit better chance of pulling out those close losses of : 
17-24
17-20
17-24 
24-27
27-29
29-29 (tie) 

They'd be 8-7-1, or 8-8 with just two of those close games sealed with better defense. 

Granted, I don't think just adding a top five QB fixes everything and overcomes a laundry list of key injuries. But I do think that a hobbled Rodgers may have pushed the Jags to a few more wins last year in the same way the Jags D may have pushed the pack to a few more.

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Where exactly did I say any of that

I'm not a MB copy/paste expert but you clearly said better qb play would win games.  I'm telling you no matter who the QB is, we have gameplan and personnel flaws that wont change the outcome.  Keep blaming the QB tho and ignoring the failures of the GM, OC, and HC.

That's not the same thing as thinking a run first offense is the solution.

I've been fairly critical of all of those 3 components too. Better QB play would win games is a pretty obvious statement.

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Keep a guy you know isnt the future? Sounds smart.

It is smart to have a bridge QB in place before throwing a rookie to the wolves. 

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So paying him 16 and mccown 10 to be a worse team is logical? Ok. Like I said drafting Haskins gets the point across we’ve moved on.

McCown is not gonna get 10.

Also. Can’t get much worse than 4 of Blake’s 5 seasons. Blake needs everything perfect to be average.

I want a franchise QB and I think Haskins gives the Jags the best shot at that.

Why don't you think McCown will at least command $10 mil? That's how much he made this past season, so he'll probably look to make even more. 

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More information on the topic that was left out of the original post:

https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2019/01...cap-space/

"As of this week, the Jags were just over $1.5 million in the negative, according to Over the Cap, so the roll over amount will put them at roughly $10.1 million when added based off those figures. With them reportedly looking to cut defensive tackle Malik Jackson this offseason, they could be looking at another $11 million saved towards the cap, while their projected release of Blake Bortles could save them a little over $4.3 million immediately, or $9.3 million after the offseason if done post-June 1.

The Jags could also save more cap space by releasing veterans like safety Tashaun Gipson, offensive tackle Jermey Parnell, tight end Austin Seferian-Jenkins (officially) and running back Carlos Hyde among notables. Restructuring Marcell Dareus’ deal, like they are currently doing with Calais Campbell, could also add more cap space."

So, there's certainly room to go after a veteran QB.

Interesting that they'll save more if they hold on to Bortles until after June 1.  Every penny will help with some key re-signings coming up.

I don't know what he's looking at, but Over The Cap still has the Jaguars $4.3 mil in the red, and that's after accounting for the rollover money from 2018. It's not yet accounting for the Calais restructure tho.

Likewise, Spotrac is already accounting for the rollover but not for Calais, and they have the Jaguars $6.3 mil in the red.

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'02

More information on the topic that was left out of the original post:

https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2019/01...cap-space/

"As of this week, the Jags were just over $1.5 million in the negative, according to Over the Cap, so the roll over amount will put them at roughly $10.1 million when added based off those figures. With them reportedly looking to cut defensive tackle Malik Jackson this offseason, they could be looking at another $11 million saved towards the cap, while their projected release of Blake Bortles could save them a little over $4.3 million immediately, or $9.3 million after the offseason if done post-June 1.

The Jags could also save more cap space by releasing veterans like safety Tashaun Gipson, offensive tackle Jermey Parnell, tight end Austin Seferian-Jenkins (officially) and running back Carlos Hyde among notables. Restructuring Marcell Dareus’ deal, like they are currently doing with Calais Campbell, could also add more cap space."

So, there's certainly room to go after a veteran QB.

Interesting that they'll save more if they hold on to Bortles until after June 1.  Every penny will help with some key re-signings coming up.

I don't know what he's looking at, but Over The Cap still has the Jaguars $4.3 mil in the red, and that's after accounting for the rollover money from 2018. It's not yet accounting for the Calais restructure tho.

Likewise, Spotrac is already accounting for the rollover but not for Calais, and they have the Jaguars $6.3 mil in the red.

Over the Cap also has Kai Forbath taking up 1 million where as spotrac has his contract as expired.

Maybe the article above isn't including the rookie draft pool of 9 million?

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I'm not worried about the cap...
Using Spotrac, I made these simple and likely cuts. (I'm in the minority that thinks we could actually move Malik for a mid to late round pick but for this I just cut him)

QB of the future is not on the roster, Borts and Kess are gone.
Malik isn't who he was 3 years ago, but still valuable imo, but his $ is too much for what he actually gave us last season and is too much to risk rostering a guy who may not be a starter for us anymore.
ASJ was already cut (or was he) it's estimated that he'll be released so I cut him.
Gip some may not agree with, but Wilson got paid so the team may be ready to move on here... I like Gip but he's not a superstar.
Parnell and Hyde are easy cuts with the draft and possibly last years draft providing those replacements for a fraction of the cost.

Released Blake Bortles
(Saved: $4,500,000)
Released Malik Jackson
(Saved: $11,000,000)
Released Tashaun Gipson
(Saved: $7,450,000)
Released Austin Seferian-Jenkins
(Saved: $4,406,250)
Released Jermey Parnell
(Saved: $6,000,000)
Released Carlos Hyde
(Saved: $4,700,000)
Released Cody Kessler
(Saved: $912,147)

CAP TOTALS
Total Available Cap:
$200,600,000
Dead Cap $:
$24,578,993
Offensive Cap $:
$48,969,373
Defensive Cap $:
$94,950,321
Special Teams Cap $:
$1,447,905
Total Team Cap $:
$169,946,592
Cap Space:
$30,653,408
Total Savings:
$38,968,397

Doesn't leave us a ton of play money but leaves us plenty to not worry

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