Say Arizona wants Murray despite all the reports that they are sticking with Rosen. 

Would you trade for Rosen? And if so, what would you be willing to give up for him?

I would trade for him, he was my #2 last year behind Baker pre draft. And I think his struggles were more AZ in general than Rosen himself. That being said, I'm not sure what it would take. Perhaps our 2nd rounder and one of our 3rds? I don't think Leonard is on the table, nor should he be yet.

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I think if AZ gives up on Rosen to take Murray, it says something about Rosen.  And that would make me hesitate.  Unless the price is right.  Trading a guy after one year is a big red flag.  

I remember when he was in the draft there was some talk about his odd personality and the fact that his teammates didn't like him.

I definitely would not do as you suggest and trade a 2nd and a 3rd.   I might give up a 4th round pick for him.

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A team will give a first for Rosen in that scenario.

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No thanks. I would rather venture down our own path of risk/reward and jump up to #3 to grab Haskins. Something about Rosen seems off to me.

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I think if AZ gives up on Rosen to take Murray, it says something about Rosen.  And that would make me hesitate.  Unless the price is right.  Trading a guy after one year is a big red flag.  

I remember when he was in the draft there was some talk about his odd personality and the fact that his teammates didn't like him.

I definitely would not do as you suggest and trade a 2nd and a 3rd.   I might give up a 4th round pick for him.

My thoughts exactly.

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I think if AZ gives up on Rosen to take Murray, it says something about Rosen.  And that would make me hesitate.  Unless the price is right.  Trading a guy after one year is a big red flag.  

I remember when he was in the draft there was some talk about his odd personality and the fact that his teammates didn't like him.

I definitely would not do as you suggest and trade a 2nd and a 3rd.   I might give up a 4th round pick for him.

My thoughts exactly.

I generally agree. The only thing that gives me hesitation to that thought is the Kingsbury/Murray connection. 

On the second part regarding compensation, being one year removed as a top 1st round pick, he's automatically going to warrant higher value than his current play suggests.

All that being said, I don't think they move on from him

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No way they get a first for Rosen. Unless it is a team way down in the draft.

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Apparently there is a consensus among team executives that Murray to AZ is a done deal. So this scenario has some legs.

Give me Rosen over Foles, Haskins, or any other available QB in this draft. Multiple people have said Rosen would be the clear #1 if he were in this class.

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Apparently there is a consensus among team executives that Murray to AZ is a done deal. So this scenario has some legs.

Give me Rosen over Foles, Haskins, or any other available QB in this draft. Multiple people have said Rosen would be the clear #1 if he were in this class.

Rosen was my favorite QB in the draft last year. But I like Haskins more. Not sure I would do that trade. Especially for a first rounder.

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I think if AZ gives up on Rosen to take Murray, it says something about Rosen.  And that would make me hesitate.  Unless the price is right.  Trading a guy after one year is a big red flag.  

I remember when he was in the draft there was some talk about his odd personality and the fact that his teammates didn't like him.

I definitely would not do as you suggest and trade a 2nd and a 3rd.   I might give up a 4th round pick for him.

I I understand exactly where you're coming from. However I will say that sometimes guys just need to mature or sometimes they just need to go to the right place. People forget that Brett Favre was originally drafted by Atlanta and after one year they traded him to the Packers. Rosen may well have been a problem for Arizona, but that doesn't preclude him from being a productive quarterback in this league elsewhere. I might be willing to give up a first for him if it's a conditional draft pick.

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Ok I will play........

Agreed there is something off there, but the talent is there with Rosen as well. Huge chip on his shoulder already and if he is traded that chip would triple in size.

I would give up one of our 3rd rd picks this year and next year's 2nd for Rosen. All his guarantees have been paid I read somewhere so he is only owed like 6.5M for the next three years and then you have the 5th yr option. That's a cap win for Jags as well.

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A third at best.

I don't like Rosen that much.

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Apparently there is a consensus among team executives that Murray to AZ is a done deal. So this scenario has some legs.

Give me Rosen over Foles, Haskins, or any other available QB in this draft. Multiple people have said Rosen would be the clear #1 if he were in this class.

Rosen was my favorite QB in the draft last year. But I like Haskins more. Not sure I would do that trade. Especially for a first rounder.

Interesting. Most analysts I've seen disagree with you on that one. Not saying you're wrong though, who knows.

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Id do it easily. Probably our 1st this year honestly. Don't think it costs that though

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I think if AZ gives up on Rosen to take Murray, it says something about Rosen.  And that would make me hesitate.  Unless the price is right.  Trading a guy after one year is a big red flag.  

I remember when he was in the draft there was some talk about his odd personality and the fact that his teammates didn't like him.

I definitely would not do as you suggest and trade a 2nd and a 3rd.   I might give up a 4th round pick for him.

It could say something about Rosen. It could also say that Kingsbury wants to pick his own QB to run his offense. Or could mean that Keim who hired a coach, gave him nothing to work with, fired him after one season, and then hired a college coach that was fired from his last job and has zero NFL experience may not really know what he's doing.

It's probably a combination of all three, but you have to figure out what percentage each one of those weigh into the decision should this actually come to fruition.

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...witter_atn

THAT...is an interesting read.  If its true, you gotta wonder if Dave/Tom would be interested in send a 3 to AZ for him.  Have Foles NOW and let Rosen sit for 2 years and develop.  Hmmm....so much intrigue for the next few weeks.

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...witter_atn

THAT...is an interesting read.  If its true, you gotta wonder if Dave/Tom would be interested in send a 3 to AZ for him.  Have Foles NOW and let Rosen sit for 2 years and develop.  Hmmm....so much intrigue for the next few weeks.

I have been thinking of that all afternoon.  I think this would be an ideal scenario.  Short term and long term, QB should be fixed, without surrendering too much in the way of immediate help for the OL or TE/WR positions.

The one problem I could forsee with that is if somehow Rosen beat out Foles'.

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...witter_atn

THAT...is an interesting read.  If its true, you gotta wonder if Dave/Tom would be interested in send a 3 to AZ for him.  Have Foles NOW and let Rosen sit for 2 years and develop.  Hmmm....so much intrigue for the next few weeks.

Interesting...I might be down for that.

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THAT...is an interesting read.  If its true, you gotta wonder if Dave/Tom would be interested in send a 3 to AZ for him.  Have Foles NOW and let Rosen sit for 2 years and develop.  Hmmm....so much intrigue for the next few weeks.

I have been thinking of that all afternoon.  I think this would be an ideal scenario.  Short term and long term, QB should be fixed, without surrendering too much in the way of immediate help for the OL or TE/WR positions.

The one problem I could forsee with that is if somehow Rosen beat out Foles'.

Regarding the part in bold, I guess it depends on how "beating out" one or the other is considered.  Rosen is younger yet Foles is more experienced.  I would bet that Foles would "beat out" the much younger/inexperienced QB in real games.  Training camp, OTA's and pre-season games wouldn't really be much of a gauge.  In the scenario presented, I think that spending on Foles via FA as well as spending a 3rd round pick for Rosen would actually be the smart and prudent thing to do.  Allow Rosen to learn behind a veteran while at the same time be ready to go in should the veteran (Foles) go down with an injury.

The thing is.  The team shouldn't be so quick to "pull the trigger" should the team and/or the veteran QB struggle (see Blaine Gabbert and Blake Bortles history).  Stick with the veteran and stay the course.  There is no "quick fix" at the QB position.

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