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Considering the depth of the FA safety market it probably makes sense to cut Gipson

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(This post was last modified: 03-06-2019, 12:18 PM by JagJohn.)

I don't know the exact figures but I know we are paying Gipson a lot of money, and he hasn't been spectacular.

The safety market has been strange the last few years, last year there were still several decent options available as FAs when the season started. This year the FA market is going to be flooded with good options, some of them are listed here https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-safeties/. With all that supply, chances are there will be some bargains available.

I think we could replace Gipson's production with a much cheaper option. Failing that, Jarrod Wilson could do the job.

Do you agree, or am I undervaluing Gipson?
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(03-06-2019, 12:17 PM)JagJohn Wrote: I don't know the exact figures but I know we are paying Gipson a lot of money, and he hasn't been spectacular.

The safety market has been strange the last few years, last year there were still several decent options available as FAs when the season started. This year the FA market is going to be flooded with good options, some of them are listed here https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-safeties/. With all that supply, chances are there will be some bargains available.

I think we could replace Gipson's production with a much cheaper option. Failing that, Jarrod Wilson could do the job.

Do you agree, or am I undervaluing Gipson?
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1103...53411?s=19
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(03-06-2019, 12:17 PM)JagJohn Wrote: I don't know the exact figures but I know we are paying Gipson a lot of money, and he hasn't been spectacular.

The safety market has been strange the last few years, last year there were still several decent options available as FAs when the season started. This year the FA market is going to be flooded with good options, some of them are listed here https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-safeties/. With all that supply, chances are there will be some bargains available.

I think we could replace Gipson's production with a much cheaper option. Failing that, Jarrod Wilson could do the job.

Do you agree, or am I undervaluing Gipson?

Good timing with this idea. They're shopping him around now I believe. Wilson could probably get it done. But I would feel a lot more comfortable with this trading of Gipson or potential release if they had an idea of maybe adding White out of LSU with that 7th overall selection. That would give us the flexibility of moving Jack back outside to compliment Smith. So we at least bolster one group to compensate for a loss on the back end. If that makes sense?
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(03-06-2019, 12:38 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote:
(03-06-2019, 12:17 PM)JagJohn Wrote: I don't know the exact figures but I know we are paying Gipson a lot of money, and he hasn't been spectacular.

The safety market has been strange the last few years, last year there were still several decent options available as FAs when the season started. This year the FA market is going to be flooded with good options, some of them are listed here https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-safeties/. With all that supply, chances are there will be some bargains available.

I think we could replace Gipson's production with a much cheaper option. Failing that, Jarrod Wilson could do the job.

Do you agree, or am I undervaluing Gipson?
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1103...53411?s=19
Well that escalated quickly.
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If we can find a cheaper, good FA, then fine. This draft class is pretty weak at the FS position though. Of the two options, I'd much rather go the FA route.
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(03-06-2019, 01:15 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: If we can find a cheaper, good FA, then fine. This draft class is pretty weak at the FS position though. Of the two options, I'd much rather go the FA route.

Tre Boston is available. Underrated, makes interceptions.
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Draft rock ya-sin because this name is cool then move Ramsey to fs
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(This post was last modified: 03-07-2019, 07:41 PM by Steelers Beaches.)

(03-06-2019, 12:17 PM)JagJohn Wrote: I don't know the exact figures but I know we are paying Gipson a lot of money, and he hasn't been spectacular.

The safety market has been strange the last few years, last year there were still several decent options available as FAs when the season started. This year the FA market is going to be flooded with good options, some of them are listed here https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-safeties/. With all that supply, chances are there will be some bargains available.

I think we could replace Gipson's production with a much cheaper option. Failing that, Jarrod Wilson could do the job.

Do you agree, or am I undervaluing Gipson?

Isn't Gipson a current Jag player? I thought posts about current Jaguars belonged in the "home team" board? 

I wouldn't go Weddle though. Too old. I'd only go with him if he was the "missing link" to a ring, and I don't think he is.

(03-06-2019, 09:31 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: Draft rock ya-sin because this name is cool then move Ramsey to fs

Do you think JR would make a good FS? I think his talents are best served at CB, at least for a few more years.
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(03-07-2019, 07:39 PM)Steelers Beaches Wrote:
(03-06-2019, 12:17 PM)JagJohn Wrote: I don't know the exact figures but I know we are paying Gipson a lot of money, and he hasn't been spectacular.

The safety market has been strange the last few years, last year there were still several decent options available as FAs when the season started. This year the FA market is going to be flooded with good options, some of them are listed here https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-safeties/. With all that supply, chances are there will be some bargains available.

I think we could replace Gipson's production with a much cheaper option. Failing that, Jarrod Wilson could do the job.

Do you agree, or am I undervaluing Gipson?

Isn't Gipson a current Jag player? I thought posts about current Jaguars belonged in the "home team" board? 

I wouldn't go Weddle though. Too old. I'd only go with him if he was the "missing link" to a ring, and I don't think he is.

(03-06-2019, 09:31 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: Draft rock ya-sin because this name is cool then move Ramsey to fs

Do you think JR would make a good FS? I think his talents are best served at CB, at least for a few more years.

It was mainly a post about the depth of the FA safety market this year. You're obsessed man.
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Most of the good FA safeties are SS not FS, why do you think the Jags are getting hit up about the possibility of trading for TG? They know the Jags are a bit cash strapped and the good FA FS will cost a lot more than TG. Jags need to keep TG if at all possible.
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(03-07-2019, 09:54 PM)JagswinJagswin Wrote: Most of the good FA safeties are SS not FS, why do you think the Jags are getting hit up about the possibility of trading for TG? They know the Jags are a bit cash strapped and the good FA FS will cost a lot more than TG. Jags need to keep TG if at all possible.


Very possible. 

I tend to think the Jags value Gipson more than lots of fans and writers are assuming they do.
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The question is, could we sign a FA Free Safety for a lower price without losing the level of talent we had there with Gipson? I don't know. I just know that this year's rookie FS class is pretty underwhelming. After the first couple of rounds, the talent level drops off sharply. There are way more good Strong Safety prospects in this draft than there are Free Safeties. I'm on the fence with this decision.
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All those years we were dying for a free safety and now we got people wanting rid of our good one.
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Nearly every breaking story Rappaport has come up with this week has been walked back. I would hold on before jumping down this rabbit hole.
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(03-08-2019, 04:17 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: Nearly every breaking story Rappaport has come up with this week has been walked back. I would hold on before jumping down this rabbit hole.

True.  This time of year, teams will tend to listen to calls for ANYONE, save franchise faces.  Unless a deal blows them out of the water (3rd and Gipson for Rosen???)  Right now, Antoine Bethea is the starting free safety in AZ but he will be 35 this year and has a cap hit of almost 7 mil.  I dunno.......if they feel he would fit the scheme of P. Peterson, Amerson, Budda Baker and Gipson?  But then again, they also claimed D.J. Swearinger from Wash in December.....but that dude is a headcase.  All I know is, i'm glad im not in charge of making decisions....

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