Interesting read, I think it makes a lot of sense......

America's Second Civil War Has Already Begun

In an excellent article by Jeff Lukens here on American Thinker, he asks the question, “Is a second civil war coming?”  In reply, I say that America’s second civil war has already begun.  Its opening shots were fired by Barack Obama when he stated, “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”


Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/03/americas_second_civil_war_has_already_begun.html#ixzz5hUlkl9zU

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If, as the writer does, you refer to ordinary political events as "battles in a civil war," then I suppose you could say we are in a never ending civil war.  

The headline is catchy, but all you get from the article itself is just an ordinary political opinion piece.  Liberals bad, conservatives good.   It's a civil war!

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Civil war? Umm, no. But let's go with this for funsies.

https://youtu.be/isCh4kCeNYU

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Interesting read, I think it makes a lot of sense......

America's Second Civil War Has Already Begun

In an excellent article by Jeff Lukens here on American Thinker, he asks the question, “Is a second civil war coming?”  In reply, I say that America’s second civil war has already begun.  Its opening shots were fired by Barack Obama when he stated, “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”


Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/03/americas_second_civil_war_has_already_begun.html#ixzz5hUlkl9zU

The only thing Barack Obama did to start any second civil war is have the temerity to not "stay in his place" as a black man, period, end of discussion.

Considering the first civil war was waged on Africans' place in this country and how conservatives fellate over Confederates and their repugnant ideals to this day, there is zero plausible deniability on this point.

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The only thing Barack Obama did to start any second civil war is have the temerity to not "stay in his place" as a black man, period, end of discussion.

Nah man, the first shots were fired when he had the nerve to put Dijon mustard on a hamburger and wear a tan suit. The heretic.

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Interesting read, I think it makes a lot of sense......

America's Second Civil War Has Already Begun

In an excellent article by Jeff Lukens here on American Thinker, he asks the question, “Is a second civil war coming?”  In reply, I say that America’s second civil war has already begun.  Its opening shots were fired by Barack Obama when he stated, “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”


Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/03/americas_second_civil_war_has_already_begun.html#ixzz5hUlkl9zU

The only thing Barack Obama did to start any second civil war is have the temerity to not "stay in his place" as a black man, period, end of discussion.

Considering the first civil war was waged on Africans' place in this country and how conservatives fellate over Confederates and their repugnant ideals to this day, there is zero plausible deniability on this point.

Gotta love how disagreeing with a minority instantly makes one a racist, bigot, misogynist, homophobe ect.  End of discussion case closed.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

The only thing Barack Obama did to start any second civil war is have the temerity to not "stay in his place" as a black man, period, end of discussion.

Considering the first civil war was waged on Africans' place in this country and how conservatives fellate over Confederates and their repugnant ideals to this day, there is zero plausible deniability on this point.

Gotta love how disagreeing with a minority instantly makes one a racist, bigot, misogynist, homophobe ect.  End of discussion case closed.

Well what did he do, exactly?

Did he take anyone's guns, like Fox news had you believe?


No.

Did he wreck the economy like so many predicted? 

No.

Did he usher in a wave of Islamic terrorism here?

No.  In fact, he gave the order to kill the bastard responsible for the 9-11 attacks.

He's not even Muslim.  Speaking of which, if he were, that wouldn't have disqualified him from public office,  if you bothered to read the Constitution so many of you purport to revere.

Did he imprison anyone in FEMA camps?

No.

Was Operation Jade Helm a prelude to an invasion of the American Southwest?

No.

Was he born outside the country?


No.  Even Trump, in one of his rare, forced daliances with truth, admitted as much.

After investigating his role in Benghazi, did a Republican Congress find any wrongdoing by him or his administration?

No.

Genuine policy differences are understandable, even desirable as we wrestle towards a more perfect union.

But the hyperbole, paranoia driven frothing hatred directed towards him transcends mere policy differences.  It left ridiculousness behind from the very beginning, to say nothing of logical debate.


Perhaps it's just coincidence a guy like George Will left the Republican party.  George freaking Will.

Republicans offered Sarah Palin zs a VP candidate to oppose Obama.  Her husband was involved with an Alaskan secessionist group. 

Yeah, Obama started the second civil war ...my [BLEEP].

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Gotta love how disagreeing with a minority instantly makes one a racist, bigot, misogynist, homophobe ect.  End of discussion case closed.

Well what did he do, exactly?

Did he take anyone's guns, like Fox news had you believe?


No.

Did he wreck the economy like so many predicted? 

No.

Did he usher in a wave of Islamic terrorism here?

No.  In fact, he gave the order to kill the bastard responsible for the 9-11 attacks.

He's not even Muslim.  Speaking of which, if he were, that wouldn't have disqualified him from public office,  if you bothered to read the Constitution so many of you purport to revere.

Did he imprison anyone in FEMA camps?

No.

Was Operation Jade Helm a prelude to an invasion of the American Southwest?

No.

Was he born outside the country?


No.  Even Trump, in one of his rare, forced daliances with truth, admitted as much.

After investigating his role in Benghazi, did a Republican Congress find any wrongdoing by him or his administration?

No.

Genuine policy differences are understandable, even desirable as we wrestle towards a more perfect union.

But the hyperbole, paranoia driven frothing hatred directed towards him transcends mere policy differences.  It left ridiculousness behind from the very beginning, to say nothing of logical debate.


Perhaps it's just coincidence a guy like George Will left the Republican party.  George freaking Will.

Republicans offered Sarah Palin zs a VP candidate to oppose Obama.  Her husband was involved with an Alaskan secessionist group. 

Yeah, Obama started the second civil war ...my [BLEEP].

Yep, got it. He did nothing for advancing America. Now, what remains to be seen is how much damage he was responsible for under the surface. The Executive Branch from his time sure is looking mighty “dirty” as the turds float to the surface. You can also turn your eyes to an emboldened House as well. Quite the unconstitutional [BLEEP] show building there. Nothing like overreach and unilateral mafia style actions to go after political party enemies and their associates. That is the real civil war brewing!

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Well what did he do, exactly?

Did he take anyone's guns, like Fox news had you believe?


No.

Did he wreck the economy like so many predicted? 

No.

Did he usher in a wave of Islamic terrorism here?

No.  In fact, he gave the order to kill the bastard responsible for the 9-11 attacks.

He's not even Muslim.  Speaking of which, if he were, that wouldn't have disqualified him from public office,  if you bothered to read the Constitution so many of you purport to revere.

Did he imprison anyone in FEMA camps?

No.

Was Operation Jade Helm a prelude to an invasion of the American Southwest?

No.

Was he born outside the country?


No.  Even Trump, in one of his rare, forced daliances with truth, admitted as much.

After investigating his role in Benghazi, did a Republican Congress find any wrongdoing by him or his administration?

No.

Genuine policy differences are understandable, even desirable as we wrestle towards a more perfect union.

But the hyperbole, paranoia driven frothing hatred directed towards him transcends mere policy differences.  It left ridiculousness behind from the very beginning, to say nothing of logical debate.


Perhaps it's just coincidence a guy like George Will left the Republican party.  George freaking Will.

Republicans offered Sarah Palin zs a VP candidate to oppose Obama.  Her husband was involved with an Alaskan secessionist group. 

Yeah, Obama started the second civil war ...my [BLEEP].

Yep, got it. He did nothing for advancing America. Now, what remains to be seen is how much damage he was responsible for under the surface. The Executive Branch from his time sure is looking mighty “dirty” as the turds float to the surface. You can also turn your eyes to an emboldened House as well. Quite the unconstitutional [BLEEP] show building there. Nothing like overreach and unilateral mafia style actions to go after political party enemies and their associates. That is the real civil war brewing!

So ordering the strike that killid Bin Laden did nothing to advance America?

Is this seriously what you're arguing?

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Yep, got it. He did nothing for advancing America. Now, what remains to be seen is how much damage he was responsible for under the surface. The Executive Branch from his time sure is looking mighty “dirty” as the turds float to the surface. You can also turn your eyes to an emboldened House as well. Quite the unconstitutional [BLEEP] show building there. Nothing like overreach and unilateral mafia style actions to go after political party enemies and their associates. That is the real civil war brewing!

So ordering the strike that killid Bin Laden did nothing to advance America?

Is this seriously what you're arguing?

Pretty sure you are arguing that point. But I'll play. What has changed since his death? You can ponder that but the answer is nothing.

If you think Obama is the hero in that scenario, you couldn't be more wrong. So, should we blame Obama for the 15 other times he could have been taken out but wasn't? Was it his fault that foreign policy failures allowed Pakistan to shelter Bin Laden for years? Can we blame Obama for his tight authoritarian grip on combat rules of engagement that endangered boots on the ground? Teams like the one that got Bin Laden had worked auntonomously for decades but not under Obama. Good thing they are now back to that mission set.

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Yep, got it. He did nothing for advancing America. Now, what remains to be seen is how much damage he was responsible for under the surface. The Executive Branch from his time sure is looking mighty “dirty” as the turds float to the surface. You can also turn your eyes to an emboldened House as well. Quite the unconstitutional [BLEEP] show building there. Nothing like overreach and unilateral mafia style actions to go after political party enemies and their associates. That is the real civil war brewing!

So ordering the strike that killid Bin Laden did nothing to advance America?

Is this seriously what you're arguing?

Since Bin Laden was under a death sentence by the US since long before Obama became president, the one good thing you can point to that he did was something that was just a matter of timing and could have happened under any president.

And there was a lot to dislike about his policies:

He co-opted the US medical system, costing people who already had insurance (you know, the responsible ones) thousands of dollars a year in either increased contributions, vastly increased deductibles, or both in our case.

He wasted billions on expensive unreliable energy, ignoring the one reliable CO2-free energy source if that was actually a worthy goal.

He returned $1.5B to a terrorist regime in Iran. He also gave them $500M (?) in exchange for hostages, basically paying a kidnapper.

He traded five terrorists from Gitmo for one deserter.

While there was no actual crime in the Benghazi failure, leaving US diplomats to die when help any time within 9 hours would have rescued them was a total dirtbag action.

Obama supported racial discord. His chosen AG stated that whites could not be considered hate crime victims, and the Justice Department acted accordingly. Obama personally meddled in local matters if a black man was shot, usually the ones where it was justified.

Those are just a few of his policy decisions (not his skin color or his statements) that I found abhorrent.

But keep believing he was only disliked because of his skin color if it makes you feel superior to the deplorables.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

So ordering the strike that killid Bin Laden did nothing to advance America?

Is this seriously what you're arguing?

Pretty sure you are arguing that point. But I'll play. What has changed since his death? You can ponder that but the answer is nothing.

If you think Obama is the hero in that scenario, you couldn't be more wrong. So, should we blame Obama for the 15 other times he could have been taken out but wasn't? Was it his fault that foreign policy failures allowed Pakistan to shelter Bin Laden for years? Can we blame Obama for his tight authoritarian grip on combat rules of engagement that endangered boots on the ground? Teams like the one that got Bin Laden had worked auntonomously for decades but not under Obama. Good thing they are now back to that mission set.

Usually, when a man grasps at something, he gets a firm idea of what it is.  A rock, or an apple, or the keys to car.  You can feel what you have by touch.  But you seem to keep grasping at straw in this thread and acting as if you're holding a big stick.

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So ordering the strike that killid Bin Laden did nothing to advance America?

Is this seriously what you're arguing?

Since Bin Laden was under a death sentence by the US since long before Obama became president, the one good thing you can point to that he did was something that was just a matter of timing and could have happened under any president.

And there was a lot to dislike about his policies:

He co-opted the US medical system, costing people who already had insurance (you know, the responsible ones) thousands of dollars a year in either increased contributions, vastly increased deductibles, or both in our case.

He wasted billions on expensive unreliable energy, ignoring the one reliable CO2-free energy source if that was actually a worthy goal.

He returned $1.5B to a terrorist regime in Iran. He also gave them $500M (?) in exchange for hostages, basically paying a kidnapper.

He traded five terrorists from Gitmo for one deserter.

While there was no actual crime in the Benghazi failure, leaving US diplomats to die when help any time within 9 hours would have rescued them was a total dirtbag action.

Obama supported racial discord. His chosen AG stated that whites could not be considered hate crime victims, and the Justice Department acted accordingly. Obama personally meddled in local matters if a black man was shot, usually the ones where it was justified.

Those are just a few of his policy decisions (not his skin color or his statements) that I found abhorrent.

But keep believing he was only disliked because of his skin color if it makes you feel superior to the deplorables.

Lies. 
It was very easy, prior to 2014, to have no medical insurance even if you behaved responsibly.

Neither party is friendly to nuclear power. Obama did not make it a priority, that is true, but if he did he would have run up to perhaps more opposition because it is so expensive compared even to wind and solar.

The $1.5 billion was something we seized from them in the first place. Giving it back was a necessary part of any peace process. We still have a lot of things held over Iran because we are not fully at peace with them, although we are thankfully closer than we were.

The ambassador died within the first hour.

Your quarrel seems to be more with Title IX the civil Rights act of 1964, than Obama.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Pretty sure you are arguing that point. But I'll play. What has changed since his death? You can ponder that but the answer is nothing.

If you think Obama is the hero in that scenario, you couldn't be more wrong. So, should we blame Obama for the 15 other times he could have been taken out but wasn't? Was it his fault that foreign policy failures allowed Pakistan to shelter Bin Laden for years? Can we blame Obama for his tight authoritarian grip on combat rules of engagement that endangered boots on the ground? Teams like the one that got Bin Laden had worked auntonomously for decades but not under Obama. Good thing they are now back to that mission set.

Usually, when a man grasps at something, he gets a firm idea of what it is.  A rock, or an apple, or the keys to car.  You can feel what you have by touch.  But you seem to keep grasping at straw in this thread and acting as if you're holding a big stick.

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Cute.
Care to explain yourself because I'd be happy to slap you down with this straw that I have a firm grasp of.

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Usually, when a man grasps at something, he gets a firm idea of what it is.  A rock, or an apple, or the keys to car.  You can feel what you have by touch.  But you seem to keep grasping at straw in this thread and acting as if you're holding a big stick.

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Cute.
Care to explain yourself because I'd be happy to slap you down with this straw that I have a firm grasp of.

Killing bin Laden was a completely good event that came about under Obama's leadership. The question was, did Obama do anything good? Not did the good outweigh the bad.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Cute.
Care to explain yourself because I'd be happy to slap you down with this straw that I have a firm grasp of.

Killing bin Laden was a completely good event that came about under Obama's leadership. The question was, did Obama do anything good? Not did the good outweigh the bad.

How is that good measured? What changed for the good of America? Let you in on a little secret...his son is and was in control, is worse, rich, and still alive. He has even completed contracted work for the DoD. We'll see when that shoe drops.

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Killing bin Laden was a completely good event that came about under Obama's leadership. The question was, did Obama do anything good? Not did the good outweigh the bad.

How is that good measured? What changed for the good of America? Let you in on a little secret...his son is and was in control, is worse, rich, and still alive. He has even completed contracted work for the DoD. We'll see when that shoe drops.

And if it doesn't, you can always claim a Deep State and/or MSM cover-up. Kinda like those WMDs in Iraq.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

How is that good measured? What changed for the good of America? Let you in on a little secret...his son is and was in control, is worse, rich, and still alive. He has even completed contracted work for the DoD. We'll see when that shoe drops.

And if it doesn't, you can always claim a Deep State and/or MSM cover-up. Kinda like those WMDs in Iraq.

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How is that good measured? What changed for the good of America? Let you in on a little secret...his son is and was in control, is worse, rich, and still alive. He has even completed contracted work for the DoD. We'll see when that shoe drops.

And if it doesn't, you can always claim a Deep State and/or MSM cover-up. Kinda like those WMDs in Iraq.

This again huh? Already found in Iraq and in Syria. For the other stuff, you can go ahead and do some leg work on the Google machine. Search Prince Sultan Air Base Friendly Forces village. Prince Sultan is also known as PSAB or Al Kharj ( Als Garage). The construction company went by SBG. 

Hmm...https://rewardsforjustice.net/english/ha...laden.html

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Bullseye
So ordering the strike that killid Bin Laden did nothing to advance America?

Is this seriously what you're arguing?

1.  Since Bin Laden was under a death sentence by the US since long before Obama became president, the one good thing you can point to that he did was something that was just a matter of timing and could have happened under any president.

And there was a lot to dislike about his policies:

2.He co-opted the US medical system, costing people who already had insurance (you know, the responsible ones) thousands of dollars a year in either increased contributions, vastly increased deductibles, or both in our case.


3.  He returned $1.5B to a terrorist regime in Iran. He also gave them $500M (?) in exchange for hostages, basically paying a kidnapper.

4.  While there was no actual crime in the Benghazi failure, leaving US diplomats to die when help any time within 9 hours would have rescued them was a total dirtbag action.

5.  Obama supported racial discord. His chosen AG stated that whites could not be considered hate crime victims, and the Justice Department acted accordingly. Obama personally meddled in local matters if a black man was shot, usually the ones where it was justified.

Those are just a few of his policy decisions (not his skin color or his statements) that I found abhorrent.

6.But keep believing he was only disliked because of his skin color if it makes you feel superior to the deplorables.
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1.  A)  That wasn't the only good accomplishment of former President Obama I COULD name.  It was the only one I DID name because that was all that was required to negate the ridiculous stance that President Obama did nothing positive to advance America, an advisable strategy as opposed to introducing a slew of his accomplishments to those who refuse to acknowledge them when it comes to the 44th president.  B) Funny that the law of averages when it came to Bin Laden's demise didn't kick in under Clinton or W.  This is especially true considering W had seven and a half years after 9-11 to kill him, and he knew or should have known he was a threat even BEFORE 9/11 because of Clinton's failed attempt to get him.  C)  During the presidential debates leading up to the 2008 election, President Obama said if he had actionable intelligence that bin Laden were hiding in Pakistan, he would sent American troops into get him.  Conservatives, including Republican presidential nominee John McCain, threw a collective hissy fit, yammering on about the sovereignty of our Allies, yada yada yada.  D) Somehow, I don't think you would have shrugged off an Obama failure to capture or kill Bin Laden due to inevitability.  Just a hunch.

2.    A)  Even with some people kicked off of their crappy plans, there was still a huge gain in the overall number of insured people.  In fact, the ACA was so "abhorrent" that several red states adopted many of its features in recent elections.  B)  President Obama openly solicited...hell DARED Republicans to offer their own health care alternatives.  They did nothing of the sort, instead voting to repeal the ACA how many times?  I stopped counting in the 50s.  c)  Even when Trump got into office with a Republican congress, they STILL couldn't figure out how to repeal it.  Instead, Trump resorted to Executive orders (you know, the long utilized perfectly constitutional mechanism that made Obama a "dictator" to conservatives) to negate things like the individual mandate.

3.   Trading to our enemies for some consideration?  Hmmm...where have I heard that before.  Here's a clue:  "I don't recall."

4.  The funny thing is there have been numerous attacks on US embassies abroad over the years preceding the Obama administration, under both Democratic and Republican administrations, including 13 such attacks in W's administration.  Yet amazingly, congress couldn't be bothered to hold hearings to investigate the attacks.  Maybe the murder of American diplomats abroad were somehow less of a serious matter before Benghazi or after Trump was elected.  It couldn't be because President Obama was held to a different standard, could it?  Nahh.

5.  I am reminded of a quote from the great movie "O' Brother, Where art Thou." 

This band of miscreants, this very evening, interfered with a lynch mob in the performance of its duty.

 
Wanna throw in an "outside agitators" for good measure there?

Conservative hostility to Obama in matters of law enforcement began long before any of the controversial law enforcement shootings.  There was the controversial arrest of Harvard professor Dr. Henry L. Gates, who committed the heinous atrocity of trying to get into his own house.  In saying the cop who arrested a man trying to get into his own house "acted stupidly,", President Obama didn't say whites, as a whole were stupid.  He didn't say cops, as a whole, were stupid.  Yet white conservatives were pronounced and uniform in their indignation.  There was ZERO REASON for racial offense to be taken in that instance, unless:

• You heard things in his (Obama's) statement that simply weren't there;
  
• You have a fundamental belief that an African American suspect does not have rights to access his own property free from law enforcement intrusion
  
• You think cops serve for the sole protection of whites and their property rights;
  
• You were inclined to find fault in the head of the executive branch of government somehow impugning or disrespecting law enforcement.  As to this point, perhaps that isn't a race based paradigm on its face, but then you'd be hard pressed to explain the complete lack of conservative finger wagging towards Trump for his continuous trashing of Mueller and the FBI
  

Then, white conservatives were enraged over President Obama's reaction to the Trayvon Martin shooting.    To review, Martin was a visitor at a relative's house when he took a walk to a nearby convenience store.  Zimmerman, who was NOT law enforcement but was acting as a neighborhood watch, claims vigilance because of recent burglaries in the area.  Zimmerman calls the police and seeks to engage Martin.  The police TELL Zimmerman NOT TO ENGAGE Martin, and Zimmerman ignores the police order.  He confronts Martin and a fight ensues.  Zimmerman shoots and kills Martin and claims a "stand your ground" defense.  President Obama observes "That could have been my child." and white conservatives again took racial umbrage.

Why?

Does acknowledging the humanity and sanctity of black life somehow offend traditional notions of whiteness?  Can whites not be sufficiently white if they aren't killing or otherwise oppressing or antagonizing blacks?  Obviously so, given the collective mouth frothing from the right over President Obama's facially tame self identification with a black make (gasp), the statement "Black lives Matter," and the mere act of taking a knee at a football game.

Lost in all of the bigoted conservative indignation is the idea that an unarmed Martin (who, by the way, was NEVER linked to any burglaries and did not initiate the confrontation that led to his death) could have a reasonable apprehension of fear of death or severe bodily injury when accosted by a complete stranger and stand his own ground.  Zimmerman had no law enforcement authority, ignored a police order and, without provocation, attacked and killed an innocent kid and his right to self defense is wholly unchallenged by white conservatives, yet Fox news and white conservatives cheered the death of an unarmed teenager in a hoodie.

6.  "Deplorables?"  Yeah that fits.  Me..."Superior?"  Nah.  I think "uppity" may be the term for which you seek

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