If Haskins is there, we have to pick him.

You either play him later or you trade him for picks later.

We definitely don't have to take Haskins if he's there.

I don't even really want him anymore. His deep game needs A LOT of work, and there will be better QBs in the draft next year. 

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'02

You really trust this front office to get the QB position right? I don't. You show me one successful QB this franchise has ever taken at any point in the 1st RD and we probably wouldn't be having this conversation right now. They're not taking Haskins with the 7th overall pick. It's just not happening. Not after what they've done with Foles and with how they handled Bortles' situation cap wise (they chose to eat the cap hit this year to avoid blurring any lines here about whose the QB moving forward).

Drafting Haskins 7th overall would start a [BLEEP] storm and circus the moment he throws an INT. Especially when we have a lot of issues and needs to address on offense. We need help in pass and run protection. We need help on the outside. We certainly need help in the backfield. Referencing Aaron Rodgers, who rode the pine behind Brett Favre, Tom Brady, who, thanks to an injury saw the field early and may have never been who we've grown to see, and then Mahomes, who was guaranteed to start in 2018 with Alex Smith woefully failing to get a play-off team over the hump is not good enough to justify Haskins there.

Rodgers sat for three long years behind Favre. And those guys you also cited WERE NOT top 10 overall selections with the exception of Mahomes, which, again, he was a starter after just one season. And we knew that was coming with the obvious moves the Chiefs made to get him. 30 also is no longer "30" in today's soft era of football. Foles could probably play another 5+ years if needed.

They have to spend that 7th overall pick on either improving his time in the pocket or by adding a piece on the outside to target. Or, they go defense or trade down. Haskins? No. No thanks. We need instant impact on this team while we have what's left of this defense intact. Next year's QB class is looking a lot more promising any way.

So because the team has missed on QBs before, they should never address the position in the present or future?  Since the Chiefs missed on Todd Blackledge, they shouldn't have taken Mahomes?  Welp, since the Chargers missed on Ryan Leaf, they should have ignored Drew Brees or Phillip Rivers?  You mean to tell me the Colts' history of missing at QB, which includes Art Schlichter, John Elway, and Jeff George should have precluded them from drafting Peyton Manning?  


Your second paragraph-at least the start of it- illustrates why I listed Haskins second.  The resulting controversy surrounding the pick would be overbearing and tiresome until he proved to be worth the pick.  But the opportunity to develop a franchise QB slowly is justification for Haskins.  To me the main reason it isn't justification is if you don't think Haskins has the tools period. 

I do understand the argument for immediate impact for this team.  This team still has a pretty good defense capable of some really good things.  With a still young veteran QB and a few more pieces around him, we can go far with good health.  If we went with more immediate impact players, I  certainly wouldn't complain if we got the picks right.  But I  also believe a properly developed Haskins could give this team the long term stability at QB and other positions.

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Some always fall for the early hype by the media every year like Tebow was.

https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/...96384?s=19

FIFY.

Tebow had more yards in that playoff win than any game in Teddys career. Ouch, that burns

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https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1117106934862241792?s=19

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https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1115664679861477376?s=19

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“Don’t take Ben Roethlisberger! We already have Leftwich! You have to put pieces around him!”

“Don’t Draft Mahomes or Watson! We have Blake and he needs pieces!”

Again. I could flip this around on you. 

"Take Haskins 7th overall! Foles wins out" Trade Haskins away for a 2nd RD pick in the future. Loss of total value. 

"Take Haskins 7th overall! Foles sucks! No pieces around him! Well, looks like Haskins is also struggling because he's working with the same pieces!". Let's not take Herbert or Fromm in 2020 or maybe Lawrence in 2021!

You really want to keep doing this?...

Leftwich was a mistake to begin with. I remember sitting on the couch at the age of 14 saying "Why the [BLEEP] would they draft this guy when one of his highlights is him being carried downfield with a bum knee?". Wanted Suggs that year. Was looking for the next Tony Brackens. We had him and let him slip on by. 

But we can sit here and keep playing [BLEEP] patty cake all day if you want?

Dude. What?

You’re all over the place here. Playing patty cake? Why are you getting so emotional?

Anyway. The team should always be looking to secure the QB position. Good teams (Chiefs, Packers, Patriots) are never content when it comes to the QB position. They’re always looking to upgrade and solidify the position for the future. If Foles sucks but they draft Haskins, they will most likely be picking in the top 10 again next season so they can add pieces around Haskins next year. I’m only advocating for Haskins because I believe he’s a franchise guy. If the Jags view him as such too, they should draft him and not look back. Best case scenario is the Chargers when they had Brees and Rivers. Worst case? They both suck and the team would be starting from scratch again anyway with a new coach and GM.

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So because the team has missed on QBs before, they should never address the position in the present or future?  Since the Chiefs missed on Todd Blackledge, they shouldn't have taken Mahomes?  Welp, since the Chargers missed on Ryan Leaf, they should have ignored Drew Brees or Phillip Rivers?  You mean to tell me the Colts' history of missing at QB, which includes Art Schlichter, John Elway, and Jeff George should have precluded them from drafting Peyton Manning?  


Your second paragraph-at least the start of it- illustrates why I listed Haskins second.  The resulting controversy surrounding the pick would be overbearing and tiresome until he proved to be worth the pick.  But the opportunity to develop a franchise QB slowly is justification for Haskins.  To me the main reason it isn't justification is if you don't think Haskins has the tools period. 

I do understand the argument for immediate impact for this team.  This team still has a pretty good defense capable of some really good things.  With a still young veteran QB and a few more pieces around him, we can go far with good health.  If we went with more immediate impact players, I  certainly wouldn't complain if we got the picks right.  But I  also believe a properly developed Haskins could give this team the long term stability at QB and other positions.

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FIFY.

Tebow had more yards in that playoff win than any game in Teddys career.  Ouch, that burns

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https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1117106934862241792?s=19

Teddy is still in the league.

Despite protests from his sycophants, Tebow is out of the league after failing miserably.

Ouch, indeed.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

You really trust this front office to get the QB position right? I don't. You show me one successful QB this franchise has ever taken at any point in the 1st RD and we probably wouldn't be having this conversation right now. They're not taking Haskins with the 7th overall pick. It's just not happening. Not after what they've done with Foles and with how they handled Bortles' situation cap wise (they chose to eat the cap hit this year to avoid blurring any lines here about whose the QB moving forward).

Drafting Haskins 7th overall would start a [BLEEP] storm and circus the moment he throws an INT. Especially when we have a lot of issues and needs to address on offense. We need help in pass and run protection. We need help on the outside. We certainly need help in the backfield. Referencing Aaron Rodgers, who rode the pine behind Brett Favre, Tom Brady, who, thanks to an injury saw the field early and may have never been who we've grown to see, and then Mahomes, who was guaranteed to start in 2018 with Alex Smith woefully failing to get a play-off team over the hump is not good enough to justify Haskins there.

Rodgers sat for three long years behind Favre. And those guys you also cited WERE NOT top 10 overall selections with the exception of Mahomes, which, again, he was a starter after just one season. And we knew that was coming with the obvious moves the Chiefs made to get him. 30 also is no longer "30" in today's soft era of football. Foles could probably play another 5+ years if needed.

They have to spend that 7th overall pick on either improving his time in the pocket or by adding a piece on the outside to target. Or, they go defense or trade down. Haskins? No. No thanks. We need instant impact on this team while we have what's left of this defense intact. Next year's QB class is looking a lot more promising any way.

So because the team has missed on QBs before, they should never address the position in the present or future?  Since the Chiefs missed on Todd Blackledge, they shouldn't have taken Mahomes?  Welp, since the Chargers missed on Ryan Leaf, they should have ignored Drew Brees or Phillip Rivers?  You mean to tell me the Colts' history of missing at QB, which includes Art Schlichter, John Elway, and Jeff George should have precluded them from drafting Peyton Manning?  


Your second paragraph-at least the start of it- illustrates why I listed Haskins second.  The resulting controversy surrounding the pick would be overbearing and tiresome until he proved to be worth the pick.  But the opportunity to develop a franchise QB slowly is justification for Haskins.  To me the main reason it isn't justification is if you don't think Haskins has the tools period. 

I do understand the argument for immediate impact for this team.  This team still has a pretty good defense capable of some really good things.  With a still young veteran QB and a few more pieces around him, we can go far with good health.  If we went with more immediate impact players, I  certainly wouldn't complain if we got the picks right.  But I  also believe a properly developed Haskins could give this team the long term stability at QB and other positions.

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Some always fall for the early hype by the media every year like Tebow was.

https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/...96384?s=19

FIFY.

No. That's not what I am saying. I am saying I don't trust this team to make the right decision when it comes to the QB position with that high of a draft choice. If the personnel was different? I would feel differently about it. Coughlin's QB choices made in the past were mostly done with low risk, high reward trades or he took chances on decent prospects much later on in the draft. But he also gave the stamp of approval to extend Bortles' lifeline here in Jacksonville and passed up on the opportunity to draft DeShaun Watson. 

Which pretty much circles back to your various questions and examples regarding X, Y & Z like Rivers, Brees, Manning & Mahomes, etc. All of those teams and those examples went through various personnel changes between the general manager, ownership, coaching staff, etc. You can look at it on a case by case basis but at the end of the day... you say potato and I say tomato. 

So it's truly 50/50 when it comes to the personnel in that front office at the moment for me personally. I don't trust their judgement and I don't trust their evaluating too much at this point in time. And until I see results on the football field. Solid, consistent results on the football field. I doubt my beliefs or opinions will change. 

I like the idea of slowly developing a solid QB prospect as well. For whatever reason it just never seems to happen for this team or they say they want to try that but they ultimately rush the prospect and you get Blaine Gabbert and Blake Bortles as a result. So in fairness to your point. Maybe they SHOULD go that route for a change. 

Haskins is a fairly respectable prospect on his own. There's just been a lot of talk lately coming out of the actual scouting community pretty much shooting down all of the media hype and buzz about him. If for whatever reason he does free fall to the bottom of RD1. And our front office thinks he has long term potential. Go for it. Engineer a trade to get back up there to get him. Wouldn't hurt my feelings. 

I just hope they don't thrust him into the line-up prematurely. Even if Foles went down with an injury and they had Haskins on the bench. Don't do it. Give the offense to Kessler. Let him mop up the game, etc. The next QB they invest a 1st RD pick in has to be developed properly. Or it'll set us back just like Leftwich, Gabbert and Bortles did. 

The biggest atrocity this franchise ever committed was not giving David Garrard a chance to start and develop after they shipped Brunell off to Washington. David had some moments in clean-up games or junk time as a rookie that I still remember. People can call him captain check down all they want. He was a hell of lot more trustworthy with the football than any of those guys I listed above him. But that's again why I don't think you'll see Haskins. 

It's too political in the NFL. It's too business like. They always worry about how it looks in the media and how it'll look on paper. The idea of signing Foles to a deal of his nature and then doubling down that early on the position is exactly why they didn't draft a guy like Roethlisberger the year after they invested in Leftwich.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Unironically quoting Lombardi is stooping awfully low. Lower than I would have the dignity to go.

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https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1115664679861477376?s=19

I wouldn't mind a guy like Easton Stick or Brett Rypien in the late rounds. Get a guy who can throw. With Foles starting the next few years, we have time to develop the rest. Tyree Jackson out of Buffalo is another developmental guy who can throw if you could reel in his accuracy with better footwork. Gardner Minshew is an intriguing passer who might even go undrafted.

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'02

Nobody tell them Haskins is PFFs 2nd ranked QB this year

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Nobody tell them Haskins is PFFs 2nd ranked QB this year

According to the chart above, Haskins' overall grade is 4th behind Murray, Grier and Lock.

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'02

Nobody tell them Haskins is PFFs 2nd ranked QB this year

According to the chart above, Haskins' overall grade is 4th behind Murray, Grier and Lock.

Yes and he's ranked ahead of all but Murray. The rankings are not purely based on the grade

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BAP!

That is all!

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LOVE THEM JAGUARS!