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Opinion Thread: If the Texans trade a 2nd for Mallet and draft Clowney...
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Quote:I will be more than happy to have this debate with you.I looked at Arron Murray and thought he would be alright last year as well. The Yards/A are crazy good for Mallet and Murray. I never realized they were both that high, they are both right near 9 YPA. I like Murray as a 3rd round pick. It is crazy that he will go that low, when he was projected as a 2nd I believe last year if he had came out. Yes, it's improvement, but it's Blaine Gabbert 2012 level improvement. - Pirkster The Home Hypnotist! Media on the Brain Link! Quote:Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.
Quote:I looked at Arron Murray and thought he would be alright last year as well. The Yards/A are crazy good for Mallet and Murray. I never realized they were both that high, they are both right near 9 YPA. I like Murray as a 3rd round pick. It is crazy that he will go that low, when he was projected as a 2nd I believe last year if he had came out. Why the YPA for Mallett and Murray is impressive is because of how it was attained. Both of those QB sling the rock down field and complete a lot of them. This isn't the case of attaining a high YPA phony-like by throwing a top of screen and swing passes that the receiver gets a lot of YAC yards with. Quote:I looked at Arron Murray and thought he would be alright last year as well. The Yards/A are crazy good for Mallet and Murray. I never realized they were both that high, they are both right near 9 YPA. I like Murray as a 3rd round pick. It is crazy that he will go that low, when he was projected as a 2nd I believe last year if he had came out.Murray is my first choice, out of 5 choices for this whole draft choices. Love Johnny, but I think he will be gone at 3. Due to Houston if they do not do this Mallett situation, or what whatever the Rams will do. So besides Murray, I have Boyd, Mccarron, Mettenberger, and either Carr or Fales. Boyd has "pooped" the bed in the Senior Bowl, so that might drive his stock down in the jaguars eyes. The only way they will take him is if he "Barkeleyed" his way into the 5th round. McCarron & Mettenberger will both be great IMO, but based upon the system. If Mettenberger is taken by the Jags, the fans will not be happy now, but later. Same with McCarron, I think AJ's best fit is in Dallas, and Mett's would be in Pitt (A bunch of berger's). The Jaguars IMO this off-season, will not be patient and will not be more assertive, and will not be looking for patience for their QB situation. They have "small" faith in Henne, and need a prayer for Gabbert. Neither will last, but the Henne situation is less messy. He is the jaguars future backup. Fales will get some love, because he would be an automatic fit, just like Johnny. However, he is underestimated due to not being a Senior, no sense of running, and lack of talen within the WAC conference. Carr is the true wildcard for the Jaguars. At the Senior Bowl, and doin' work. I think in a strange reason that the jaguars are looking for a Senior because of Gabbert, the one year extra does make a difference. So besides at the Senior Bowl, being a Senior, having a high completion pct and a great TD/INT ratio is huge for the scouts at JAX. The only reason why his stocked plummeted was because of the conference he plays (Mountain West), and pooping the bed against USC. But he has a chance, not as much as Aaron or Johnny, but a chance. Here are Derek's stats: Year Team G W L Comp Att Pct Yds Td Int Pass Effic. 2009 Fresno State 5 4 0 10 14 71.4 112 0 0 138.6 2010 Fresno State -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 2011 Fresno State 13 4 9 279 446 62.6 3,544 26 9 144.5 2012 Fresno State 13 9 4 344 511 67.3 4,104 37 7 155.9 2013 Fresno State 13 11 2 454 659 68.9 5,083 50 8 156.3 All Fresno State 43 15 28 1,087 1,630 66.7 12,843 113 24 152.9 *Statistics are from Wikipedia* That is pretty much all I have for the QB draft class, and my 2 cents for the Mallett proposal. *Cheers* We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
If Mullet was so good, why wouldn't the Patsies be trying to hold onto him. Brady isn't exactly a spring chicken.
If he were close to being a good QB, he would be the heir apparent to Brady.
What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.
My draft prediction is as follows:
1)We will draft either Bridgewater, Bortles or Maziel...If we trade back, it will only be as far as we can ensure we get one of those 3 QB's. Ex..say Houston goes Clowney, St. Louis takes Watkins...We are sitting at #3, with all 3 QB's...We either take our pick of the 3 QB's (if we really feel strongly about one of them) or we trade back with either the Raiders (who need a QB) at #5 or say Atlanta at #6(say they are targeting Mathews)... I'm saying there is no way we leave the 1st round without a QB. The draft is too deep so there is no way we trade UP in the 1st 3 rounds and give up picks. My gut tells me they aren't going to cross their fingers that "their guy" at QB is still there in the 2nd round...even then, what's left will be a development guy, not a starter who will be ready half way through the season at the earliest. Lets face it, this is our best chance at getting an elite level guy...You say, there is no sure fire QB like Luck...Guess what...another slam dunk like Luck may not come around for another 10-15 years. We will be sitting around a long time waiting for another QB like Luck, and even if there is, there will be no guarantee we will be in position to get him. Book it...Bortles, Bridgewater or Manziel in the 1st...(Manziel scares me, but I'd still take him if Bortles/Bridgewater are gone...still leaning Bortles at this time though.
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Quote:My draft prediction is as follows:Proved my point. Do not be upset, if you have none of those 3 (Except Manziel) in a jaguars uniform. I can bet money, that if we draft Bridgewater or Bortles, this forum will be exactly like in 2013 in a couple of years. Bortles has Gabbert written all over him and Teddy will not last. I know that sounds like a contradiction with Manziel, but for some reason I think he would last with his style, or at least adapt because he has some of the best QB instincts I have seen in years. Almost Payton-like. Murray is my best option, because he has a "gun", very good QB instincts, and will come cheaper earlier than those 3. My dream scenario would be: FA - draft young and developing players that have a high ceiling, along with focusing on O-line (Minus Mack) Draft (If No Johnny) Rd 1 Clowney or Barr or Mack Rd 2 Dre Mason or Seastrunk Rd 3 Murray Post Rd's - Get Storm Johnson
I'm not fond of either. As a Jags fan, I'd be pleased if the Texans took either one, I'd consider it a homerun for us if they got both.
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Quote:Proved my point. Do not be upset, if you have none of those 3 (Except Manziel) in a jaguars uniform. I can bet money, that if we draft Bridgewater or Bortles, this forum will be exactly like in 2013 in a couple of years. Not mad, we all have different opinions. Personally, I think Bortles is the exact opposite of Gabbert. Bortles actually slides in the pocket and always has his head and eyes up and downfield. He is much better when the pocket breaks down. Gabbert tucks the ball, head goes down and runs for his life when the pressure comes. Is the consensus that Murray has a "gun"? Just asking. I thought he was thought to have a average/below average "NFL" arm?
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Quote:Not mad, we all have different opinions. Personally, I think Bortles is the exact opposite of Gabbert. Bortles actually slides in the pocket and always has his head and eyes up and downfield. He is much better when the pocket breaks down. Gabbert tucks the ball, head goes down and runs for his life when the pressure comes. Also worth mentioning that Bortles has actually had an impressive college career. Several clutch wins and a very nice TD/Int ratio. Gabbert was a workout warrior. Quote:Not mad, we all have different opinions. Personally, I think Bortles is the exact opposite of Gabbert. Bortles actually slides in the pocket and always has his head and eyes up and downfield. He is much better when the pocket breaks down. Gabbert tucks the ball, head goes down and runs for his life when the pressure comes.Like you said different opinions. As for Murray, he has an above average arm, but what makes it a "gun" is the out of pocket arm strength. IMO what makes a "gun" is what your throws can be like like when you are not set in the pocket. For Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fzKqmeUtZo As for Bortles, here is what we have: Season Team GP Rating Att Comp Pct Yds TD INT Att Yds TD 2011 UCF 9 153.9 110 75 67.8 958 6 3 21 4 1 2012 UCF 14 144.5 399 251 62.9 3,059 25 7 87 285 8 2013 UCF 13 163.4 382 259 67.8 3,581 25 9 87 272 6 <b>Totals</b> 36 153.9 891 585 66.2 7,598 56 19 195 561 15 Impressive...but, what scares me is the similarity of somone else: Year School Conf Class [BLEEP] G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate *2008 Missouri Big 12 QB 5 5 13 38.5 43 3.3 3.3 0 0 66.2 *2009 Missouri Big 12 QB 13 262 445 58.9 3593 8.1 8.2 24 9 140.5 *2010 Missouri Big 12 QB 13 301 475 63.4 3186 6.7 6.5 16 9 127.0 Career Missouri 568 933 60.9 6822 7.3 7.3 40 18 132.6 Those are Blaine Gabbert's college stats. His sophmore year is almost identitical to Bortles' Sophmore and Junior seasons. I do not trust QB's that do not throw 30 TD's, It has an effect on the next level. True, I also volley for McCarron, but I think that is based more upon the system that was implemented, not the player. Just a really bad feeling with Bortles. *Cheers*
Quote:Like you said different opinions. As for Murray, he has an above average arm, but what makes it a "gun" is the out of pocket arm strength. IMO what makes a "gun" is what your throws can be like like when you are not set in the pocket. For Example: Me too. Bortles does seem to have that Gabbert feel to him. I agree with the 30 TD thing especially if we are talking an offense that is designed to put up numbers and the QB doesn't. That was the case with Gabbert as Chase friggin Daniel put up monster numbers in the same offense that Gabbert put up only pedestrian numbers. In the case of Teddy, his numbers aren't great either, but he doesn't play in an offense that is prone to do so. Not sure about Bortles' offense. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
I can't wait for the day Mallet gets a start and crashes and burns. Then we won't have to see this nonsense anymore.
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Quote:I can't wait for the day Mallet gets a start and crashes and burns. Then we won't have to see this nonsense anymore. Oh, so if Mallett has one bad start, and 12 good ones then he bad? Am I doing this right? :ermm:
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This is so exciting. I thought football season ends next week, but it turns out there is an offseason season, with division winners and everything.
Are the offseason playoffs going to be before or after the draft?
If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
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Quote:I can't wait for the day Mallet gets a start and crashes and burns. Then we won't have to see this nonsense anymore. You and I both know that it'll be something along the lines of, "Belichick waited too long. He didn't give him the opportunity to develop in-game experience." Quote:Oh, so if Mallett has one bad start, and 12 good ones then he bad? I will personally start a thread apologizing to you if that ever happens. For the record, what would be a "good" game? I'm interest in knowing now so that you can't change it later.
Mallet used to pout and quit when games got too tough and he did that in some big games. That's why his draft stock fell. No team in their right mind would give anything for him. He is Jeff George 2.0.
The trade rumors are probably being generated by the pats in hopes of artificially creating some trade value for him in the final year of his contract. You can't blame them. The pats have been good at finding suckers. |
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