I guess Dave Caldwell is a moron.


Dave discusses the Julio Jones trade and his scouting philosophy.




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All I got say on the Julio Jones trade up is that Atlanta traded up 5-6 potential starters for one quy.

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All I got say on the Julio Jones trade up is that Atlanta traded up 5-6 potential starters for one quy.

And guess who was the architect of that trade?

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Say the Jags trade back out of the top 10 and receive a next years 1st in the process. Do you hold off on drafting a high round QB for a chance to package your 2 first rounders for Winston, Petty, Hundley, or Mariota?

 

Several ways to answer this...

 

1.  Maybe if the guy they like somehow falls out of the top ten to the Jaguars' spot...no you don't hold off on taking a QB.

 

2.  If the Jaguars' guy they like is gone by their pick (most likely under this scenario), maybe they take one in the second, with the idea if he is a colossal disappointment, we'll likely be in a reasonable position to draft one next year.

 

3.  At this point, I would not trade down because QB or not, the Jaguars are in position to get a legitimate impact player if they stay at 3, but if QB is the team's top priority, they could stay and get a guy they like, or be in a reasonable position to trade up to get their guy.  Furthermore, trading down this year in the hopes of getting the QB next year-even with the trade up-is an iffy at best proposition.  There's no telling what will happen with the QBs you named.  I hope this doesn't happen, but suppose they are targeting a particular guy and he blows out a knee or an achilles late in the season and won't be eble to play until week 12 or so, with no guarantee he'll be the same guy?  IF the guys stay healthy and all improve their games, the extra pick in the first, standing alone, may not be enough to trade up to get the guy, especially if the team somehow shows a modicum of improvement.  Besides, asking a coach and GM to wait until year three of their regimes-assuming they are still around-to get their signal caller-is a lot to ask of them, of Khan and the fans, especially if they have traded out of position to land an impact player that could help turn the team around.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

And guess who was the architect of that trade?

Its why have been hesitant on Caldwell. That was a bad decision in my opinion

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Plus I don't think any of the qbs coming out year are as good as Bridgewater

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I'm not a fan of gaining extra 1st round picks just to give them away.  If they are in a position where they want to trade up, they can always use future picks.  But the plan should be drafting two players next year if they make a trade down and get an extra first. 

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Say the Jags trade back out of the top 10 and receive a next years 1st in the process. Do you hold off on drafting a high round QB for a chance to package your 2 first rounders for Winston, Petty, Hundley, or Mariota?

 

IF Teddy Bridgewater has already been picked, I think the Jags should trade back out of the top 10.  But they should NOT postpone getting a QB in the draft.  As of this minute this day, I cannot see spending the 3rd overall pick in the draft for Manziel or Bortles.  I think there are some interesting prospects this year that can be had for much less than the 3rd overall pick in the draft.   Derek Carr, Jimmy Garropolo, for instance.   And who knows, if we trade back to #8, Manziel or Bortles might still be there.  

 

In fact, here are the picks I would spend on these quarterbacks:

 

Bridgewater:   # 1

Manziel:  # 9

Bortles: # 10

Carr: # 15

Garropolo: # 35

 

That's the value I would put on these guys as of right now. 

 

I've said this before but it bears repeating.   NONE of the final four teams in the playoffs used a first round pick to acquire their quarterback.   So that should tell us that it can be done without having to have a really high pick to do it with. 

 

And I'd add, I'm not saying they even CAN trade down.  Sometimes, it just doesn't work out and they have to spend the pick they have on a player. 

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Several ways to answer this...


1. Maybe if the guy they like somehow falls out of the top ten to the Jaguars' spot...no you don't hold off on taking a QB.


2. If the Jaguars' guy they like is gone by their pick (most likely under this scenario), maybe they take one in the second, with the idea if he is a colossal disappointment, we'll likely be in a reasonable position to draft one next year.


3. At this point, I would not trade down because QB or not, the Jaguars are in position to get a legitimate impact player if they stay at 3, but if QB is the team's top priority, they could stay and get a guy they like, or be in a reasonable position to trade up to get their guy. Furthermore, trading down this year in the hopes of getting the QB next year-even with the trade up-is an iffy at best proposition. There's no telling what will happen with the QBs you named. I hope this doesn't happen, but suppose they are targeting a particular guy and he blows out a knee or an achilles late in the season and won't be eble to play until week 12 or so, with no guarantee he'll be the same guy? IF the guys stay healthy and all improve their games, the extra pick in the first, standing alone, may not be enough to trade up to get the guy, especially if the team somehow shows a modicum of improvement. Besides, asking a coach and GM to wait until year three of their regimes-assuming they are still around-to get their signal caller-is a lot to ask of them, of Khan and the fans, especially if they have traded out of position to land an impact player that could help turn the team around.

Regarding your 3rd point.


Is there really that much a difference in talent from 3 to lets say 11, assuming Clowney goes first overall? Is the difference in talent worth more than an extra 1st round pick next year?


Trading back doesn't exclude you from drafting a QB all together but it may cause you to miss out on the “big 3 QBs".

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Say the Jags trade back out of the top 10 and receive a next years 1st in the process. Do you hold off on drafting a high round QB for a chance to package your 2 first rounders for Winston, Petty, Hundley, or Mariota?

You dont just draft a QB in the high round to draft one.  If Dave feels like Murray or McCarron can be the guy and you can get him in the 4th, go for it.  We might get Clowney in the first and a guy like Dee Ford could be there in the 2nd.  I still think we go with Clowney, Bortles, or Manziel and still get another QB in the 4th or the 5th.

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Regarding your 3rd point.


Is there really that much a difference in talent from 3 to lets say 11, assuming Clowney goes first overall? Is the difference in talent worth more than an extra 1st round pick next year?


Trading back doesn't exclude you from drafting a QB all together but it may cause you to miss out on the “big 3 QBs".

 

This year?

 

I would say yes.

 

Look at the Jaguars biggest needs (QB, DE, interior OL ) and look at where the talent seems to be at this point in the top ten (QB (3), DE/LEO (3), OT(2) ) .

 

At QB, Bridgewater, Manziel and Bortles all are projected by most observers (FWIW) to go in the top 10.   Currently, there are three DEs/LEOs that are similarly projected (Clowney, Barr, Mack), two, maybe three OTs (Matthews, Robinson, and maybe the kid from FSU whose name escapes me, or maybe the kid from Alabama), and maybe one WR (Watkins).  Assuming the current projections hold firm as a general rule (and there will likely be movement between now and May), who would be left that could really have an impact for the Jaguars assuming a best case trade down scenario at 11? 

 

Most of the QBs would likely be gone-though it's possible maybe Carr/Manziel is there at 11 (considering Houston, Jacksonville, Cleveland, Oakland and Minnesota at minimum all need QBs, that is asking a lot).  The DEs/LEOs will be gone.  Watkins will likely be gone.  There might be an OT that slides down to 11, but OT isn't the area of need along the OL-G and C are the biggest needs there.  Maybe you take a chance on Mike Evans-but you still have nobody to get him the ball, and like all rookies, he'll have to adjust to the pro game.  Maybe you take CJ Mosely.  Do you take the Mich St. CB (Dennard?)

 

I just don't think need fits value very well for Jacksonville outside of the top ten at this point, so I think there is a big difference between 3 and 11.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Lets get our qb at 3 and get it over with

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Nope. What are the odds we even sniff the top 5 even with Chad Henne at the helm? You want to stockpile picks to trade up in a draft where we are not sure what draft spot we will be at or if risers like Mariota and Winston will check out as elite QBs? Sounds dumb.

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Nope. What are the odds we even sniff the top 5 even with Chad Henne at the helm? You want to stockpile picks to trade up in a draft where we are not sure what draft spot we will be at or if risers like Mariota and Winston will check out as elite QBs? Sounds dumb.

Or where the other team's pick would be.

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I hope we dont trade back, I like the guys at this years top of the draft, I would rather get one of these guys and trade back next year for more picks.

 

1. Manziel

2. Clowney

3. Bortles

4. Bridgewater

5. Watkins

 

Im that order please!

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I hope we dont trade back, I like the guys at this years top of the draft, I would rather get one of these guys and trade back next year for more picks.

 

1. Manziel

2. Clowney

3. Bortles

4. Bridgewater

5. Watkins

 

Im that order please!

Thank goodness you have no say in the scouting process

 

Manziel at 1 is one of the most laughable and asinine things I have read in a long time. 

 

Ahead of Clowney/Bridgewater

 

Truly ridiculous

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Plus I don't think any of the qbs coming out year are as good as Bridgewater

 

Noooooooo.  Get the hell outta here.  I never would have guessed.

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Noooooooo.  Get the hell outta here.  I never would have guessed.

Me neither, funny what analysis does to people

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Plus I don't think any of the qbs coming out year are as good as Bridgewater

I would put Petty and Winston over Teddy but I have to agree, I do think he is over the rest.

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I would put Petty and Winston over Teddy but I have to agree, I do think he is over the rest.

I was big on the Petty bandwagon until the UCF game, I need to see him this year before I could say he is on either Winston or Teddy's level.

 

I think teddy is much more polished than Winston but Winston has some physical traits you can work with

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I was big on the Petty bandwagon until the UCF game, I need to see him this year before I could say he is on either Winston or Teddy's level.

 

I think teddy is much more polished than Winston but Winston has some physical traits you can work with

Petty didnt have that bad of a game against UCF.

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