I was just watching a re-run of last nights game on NFL Network and man, when we played Brandon Thomas at RG, next to Wester, that entire right side of the O-Line collapsed immediately. I know we are very thin at OT, but what good is it doing by keeping Wester, when he is so unbelievably bad? At this point, a tackling dummy would be more effective.

Robinson and Taylor aren’t playing. There are gonna be some bad tackles getting snaps.

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I was just watching a re-run of last nights game on NFL Network and man, when we played Brandon Thomas at RG, next to Wester, that entire right side of the O-Line collapsed immediately. I know we are very thin at OT, but what good is it doing by keeping Wester, when he is so unbelievably bad? At this point, a tackling dummy would be more effective.

Robinson and Taylor aren’t playing. There are gonna be some bad tackles getting snaps.

Wester was beyond bad last night and I’m never overly critical of 3rd stringers. He was a liability to the point to where I seriously thought he may end up getting Minshew hurt. He didn’t belong on the field last night.

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Robinson and Taylor aren’t playing. There are gonna be some bad tackles getting snaps.

Wester was beyond bad last night and I’m never overly critical of 3rd stringers. He was a liability to the point to where I seriously thought he may end up getting Minshew hurt. He didn’t belong on the field last night.

This. At some point you have to consider the health for the rest of your young players. Minshew has honestly played commendably behind an atrocious offensive line these past two weeks. All the more reason to give his [BLEEP] some more pass protection for the next two weeks. 

Wester looked like a damn turntable out there. It's not a good enough excuse to continue putting him out there because this player and that player are not ready to go yet. I also expect better out of Doug Marrone. That's his area. That's his background. It doesn't seem to shine through consistently enough with any of the lineman he's gloated about around here.

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I think that Wells will be ahead of him easily regardless. And I think Wester is rapidly dropping on the depth chart. Frankly, when they signed him I just figured the Oline coach just wanted someone in the room that knew his methodology to help the other guys adapt to it.

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Honestly. Go look over that 2018 draft and tell me who we should have drafted at 29th overall? I don't think Taven will amount to anything but that spot was the worst spot to be in.

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Ramsey for Grier straight up

Honestly. Go look over that 2018 draft and tell me who we should have drafted at 29th overall? I don't think Taven will amount to anything but that spot was the worst spot to be in.

Hernandez, Goedert, Sutton...

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Honestly. Go look over that 2018 draft and tell me who we should have drafted at 29th overall? I don't think Taven will amount to anything but that spot was the worst spot to be in.

Hernandez, Goedert, Sutton...

Sony Michel, Nick Chubb, Darius Leonard, Mike Gesicki, Connor Williams...

Pretty decent amount of directions we could have gone there.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Hernandez, Goedert, Sutton...

Sony Michel, Nick Chubb, Darius Leonard, Mike Gesicki, Connor Williams...

Pretty decent amount of directions we could have gone there.

If the Jags drafted another 1st round RB, they would have been flamed by everyone on this board. Plus Michel and Chubb have shown flashes, but Michel is already looking injury prone and Chubb has not shown to be a generational back yet. Neither would have done anything behind the injury offensive line last year.

Goedert, Sutton, Gesicki all showed a few flashes, but all are still huge question marks this year. Goedert is also hurt right now. Gesicki has had a poor camp this year. None would have shown much last year with Bortles.

Leonard was a huge reach at the time of the Draft. Yes in hindsight, he was a great pick, but very few could have predicted that.

I'm not sure how good Williams was last year.

That leaves Hernandez as the only direction that seemed "obvious" choice last year. But how many really thought he would be that good as a guard. Plus it's only 1 season.

Drafting is always about valuing risk/reward. Bryan probably had a larger variance, but I can totally understand why they opted for that chance over a "safer option".

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Honestly. Go look over that 2018 draft and tell me who we should have drafted at 29th overall? I don't think Taven will amount to anything but that spot was the worst spot to be in.

Hernandez, Goedert, Sutton...

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Sony Michel, Nick Chubb, Darius Leonard, Mike Gesicki, Connor Williams...

Pretty decent amount of directions we could have gone there.

If the Jags drafted another 1st round RB, they would have been flamed by everyone on this board. Plus Michel and Chubb have shown flashes, but Michel is already looking injury prone and Chubb has not shown to be a generational back yet. Neither would have done anything behind the injury offensive line last year.

Goedert, Sutton, Gesicki all showed a few flashes, but all are still huge question marks this year. Goedert is also hurt right now. Gesicki has had a poor camp this year. None would have shown much last year with Bortles.

Leonard was a huge reach at the time of the Draft. Yes in hindsight, he was a great pick, but very few could have predicted that.

I'm not sure how good Williams was last year.

That leaves Hernandez as the only direction that seemed "obvious" choice last year. But how many really thought he would be that good as a guard. Plus it's only 1 season.

Drafting is always about valuing risk/reward. Bryan probably had a larger variance, but I can totally understand why they opted for that chance over a "safer option".

I haven't given up on Bryan. The question asked was who else on the board was left at that time that could have been selected? 

I provided plenty examples. Michel or Chubb would have been viable options there for two reasons. 

1. Fournette couldn't stay healthy last year and has a history of it. 
2. He showed behavior issues as a rookie and during his 2nd year on the field last year to the point to where Coughlin and Marrone had to sit down with him this off season about all of that.

Goedert is behind Ertz in Philadelphia. He flashed late last year for them. His volumes were limited. His volumes here? May have been a different story. Gesicki having a bad camp with the Dolphins is probably due to a new coaching staff and Josh Rosen's sorry [BLEEP] now being there. By all accounts he's been pretty horrible. Your receivers can only go as far as your QB allows them. 

Not familiar with how Williams shaked out as well. But he was still relatively being highly touted throughout the entire draft process and on opening night. We had a need at WR. Sutton could have potentially helped with that. I don't agree nor disagree with their decision making regarding Bryan last year during the draft. He may very well turnout to be a great player over the course of this season and/or next season. 

As could many of the players listed above. Time will tell...

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I just know that however the O-Line shakes out ....at the end of the day/season ......if Marrone and company don't
figure out how to protect Foles and help him win with decent receivers.
We'll be looking for a new head coach .....not a new quarterback.

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Honestly. Go look over that 2018 draft and tell me who we should have drafted at 29th overall? I don't think Taven will amount to anything but that spot was the worst spot to be in.

C'mon man, the entirety of this board was in love with Hernandez and Goedert. Don't pretend like this is just people playing hindsight.

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You don't draft another RB in the first round the year after you draft one top 4. That's asinine. An OL I guess would have been more appropriate, but that's it.

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A True Fan ladies and gentlemen:

Ramsey for Grier straight up

I just know that however the O-Line shakes out ....at the end of the day/season ......if Marrone and company don't
figure out how to protect Foles and help him win with decent receivers.
We'll be looking for a new head coach .....not a new quarterback.

Agreed. I really hope it does shake out though. I really don't want to go through another three - five years of BS from this Front Office again with some other hire where they really outsmarted themselves. We could have cut ways with Marrone this off-season and targeted Bruce Arians or Mike McCarthy. Mike could very well be our next coach in 2020 though since he's decided to sit this year out. 

If this defense is still cracking the top 5 - 10 and the offense is weak along the trenches or just flat out lacks creativity they may want to give McCarthy a shot. At least he's won a Superbowl. And the problems he mostly faced in Green Bay was inconsistencies on defense and maybe the lack of a running game. We'll see. 

It's too early to feel all doom and gloom. We haven't even seen the starters on offense play together yet. Our tunes could change here by the end of next week.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

You don't draft another RB in the first round the year after you draft one top 4. That's asinine. An OL I guess would have been more appropriate, but that's it.

By that logic we shouldn't have drafted Josh Allen then after drafting Taven Bryan the year before. I think you can make a case for drafting a RB there. We DID rely on the ground game a lot in 2017. When we finished up 2018 we had Fournette oft injured, Grant on IR with a foot injury and Yeldon hitting free agency. Then we ended up trading for Carlos Hyde and cutting him or trading him away shortly after this previous season had ended. RB left a lot to be desired in 2018. It remains to be seen for 2019. Hopefully Armstead pans out. 

Fournette though has yet to show that he can physically hold up for the long term. It was one of the main concerns most scouts had on him when he left LSU. Having a capable spell back to really compliment Fournette would have been ideal on an offense where your QB is clearly inconsistent. It worked for the Saints between Ingram/Kamara. It worked in the past for us with Taylor/Jones-Drew. The Panthers were using Stewart/McCaffrey during his rookie year and they managed 11 wins. 

It depends on how you want to look at it. If Fournette fails to get it done this year on the stat sheet. He could be on the way out already by 2020. Or they'll at least be targeting his replacement in 2020. 

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I don't know how Minshew's career is ultimately going to shake out but I think he showed some great signs after stinking it up in the first game. He learned from his mistakes and has a little bit of an attitude which you've got to like. Also, I thought it was interesting that in two games as a rookie, he's already shown better field vision and decision making than our former starter had during his entire career.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

I was just watching a re-run of last nights game on NFL Network and man, when we played Brandon Thomas at RG, next to Wester, that entire right side of the O-Line collapsed immediately. I know we are very thin at OT, but what good is it doing by keeping Wester, when he is so unbelievably bad? At this point, a tackling dummy would be more effective.

Robinson and Taylor aren’t playing. There are gonna be some bad tackles getting snaps.

There's bad and then there are dumpster fires. We have the latter.

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I didn't hear much about the game but saw that BCC just posted this. Watch the left DT position...apparently that's Taven Bryan.

https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/11...3627101184

LOL is this a serious post???

He was very clearly double teamed on that play (he also tripped over the other DTs legs which is why he fell)... I made it a point to watch him whenever he was in the game last night and he got doubled a good amount of the time.

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I know its preseason, but do you guys read anything into the WRs. Cole and Chark playing, Pryor isn't. Conley and Westbrook are having good camps, Lee will be back at some point.

I think Cole and Chark will cover ST so I think we may only keep 5 with Lee scheduled to return with maybe a 6th until then.

Westbrook
Conley
Cole
Chark
Lee

Maybe Pryor as that guy but then I don't get why hes not playing. McBride is hustling out there.

I don't know why Pryor isn't playing.

Maybe Pryor is a starter?

Because we haven't seen Westbrook at all in either preseason game,  we haven't seen Conley at all in either preseason game, and we haven't seen Pryor at a in either preseason game.

That group of 3 WRs looks like a more likely group of starters (the 3 WRs who haven't played = starters) than, let's say, the group that's either playing in preseason games or hurt (Cole, Chark, Lee).

The Jaguars have a new OC, Flip,  and Flip has coached Foles in Philly,  and Pryor in Oakland and Cleveland.   So you'd have to assume that Flip has more familiarity with Pryor than he does with the rest of the Jaguars WRs. 

It just seems to me that since the starters aren't playing, Foles = starter = not playing,  Fournette = starter = not playing, Westbrook = starter = not playing,  we can assume that the others, who might or might not be starters, who aren't playing, are starters.  And that would be Conley and Pryor.  Not necessarily,  but it makes sense.

Cole and Chark are definitely not tearing it up at the WR position in the last 2 preseason games.

2 catches,  9 targets, 7 yards.  That's less than 1 yard per target. 

I'm also not quite sure why people think that 1) the Jaguars are going to run a lot.  New OC Flip does not seem to run a lot, and last year, the Jaguars passed more than they ran.  The Jaguars are not the Ravens with Lamar. and 2) the Jaguars are only going to keep 5 WRs.  In today's NFL, unless there is a team that uses multiple running backs on the field at once, teams generally keep at least 6 WRs, and sometimes 7.  

OC Flip has been the OC twice before.  In 2015 with the Browns,  in 2018 with the Vikings.  You can look at other years, and try to guess from there, but its a pretty reasonable argument that Flip has a bigger influence on the direction of the offense when he's the OC than when he's a QB coach.

2015 Browns,  the offense was 11th in Passing Attempts, and 27th in Rushing Attempts.
2018 Vikings, the offense was 6th in Passing Attempts, and 27th (again) in Rushing Attempts.

I would really have to say that if you look closely at what the New Offensive Coordinator John DeFilippo actually does,  it's pass a lot and run infrequently.  And if you're averaging, as OC, top 10 passing attempts, and bottom 5 rushing attempts,  you're more likely to keep more WRs and fewer RBs.

Much like the WRs who have been playing in the preseason games,  the RBs who have been playing in the preseason games have not been all that impressive.
Total, games 1 and 2,  Armstead, Rawls, Blue, Mays
37 carries, 85 yards  - 2.29 yards per carry

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