If they want to work a part time job for a few hours a week, I'd be fine with that, granted it is within NCAA rules. However, using football as an example again, it's awfully hard to balance out time between practice/weight lifting, film, school, and work.

 

That's what gets me. Why are they only allowed to work certain jobs?

 

As long as it's not interfering with their practice/performance on the field and no laws are being broken, why can't they do pursue w/e they want to pursue off the field.

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They have a job: playing football and earning millions of dollars for the university, the bowl system, and the coaches.   Now they'd like to get paid their fair share of that money.

"Their fair share?"  Come on, man, it's already a travesty that some of these athletes even get to attend the university and get an education in the first place.  With no athletic ability, they'd be on the nearest McDonald's schedule for the rest of their live because they, in most cases, have coasted off of their abilities rather than work hard like, say, the refugees from other countries I see every day who barely speak English yet work their tails off for scholarships despite their poverty and the language barrier.

 

The free college education is MORE than payment enough, and it is MORE than what more deserving people who take out loans that they pay for for the rest of their lives get (if they manage to attend college at all).  The university should have the right to make money off of them.  If they were smart, they'd get a useful degree instead of an easy one so they could have life after the average 5 year career of an NFL player.

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I definitely don't think collegiate athletes should get payed, but it definitely is a job. Take football for example. The returning players get maybe a few days to a week after the bowl game to themselves before they are right back in the weight room focused on next season. Then you have spring conditioning to get ready for spring practice. Then you have 2-3 weeks of spring practice. After that you begin summer workouts, 7-on-7, etc., and shortly after that fall camp rolls around and you're doing two-a-days getting prepped for the start of the season. Then you have the season, conference championship games, bowl games etc. 

 

It's definitely a job.

 

Sure, it is time consuming, but that doesn't mean it is a job,

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It's an extracurricular activity, just like joining a club on campus or participating in intramural athletics.

Its a lot different than intramurals.

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"Their fair share?" Come on, man, it's already a travesty that some of these athletes even get to attend the university and get an education in the first place. With no athletic ability, they'd be on the nearest McDonald's schedule for the rest of their live because they, in most cases, have coasted off of their abilities rather than work hard like, say, the refugees from other countries I see every day who barely speak English yet work their tails off for scholarships despite their poverty and the language barrier.


The free college education is MORE than payment enough, and it is MORE than what more deserving people who take out loans that they pay for for the rest of their lives get (if they manage to attend college at all). The university should have the right to make money off of them. If they were smart, they'd get a useful degree instead of an easy one so they could have life after the average 5 year career of an NFL player.

Free college education? Are you serious? The so called education they get is a drop in the bucket compared to the returns the schools get on tv deals, merchandise, and ticket sells. Also, have you listened to most of the student athletes that play collegiate ball? A significant number cannot even read or write. What kind of education are they getting. That's right, little to none. Football is more important, and they are the cattle that ensures everything remains the status quo.

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Free college education? Are you serious? The so called education they get is a drop in the bucket compared to the returns the schools get on tv deals, merchandise, and ticket sells. Also, have you listened to most of the student athletes that play collegiate ball? A significant number cannot even read or write. What kind of education are they getting. That's right, little to none. Football is more important, and they are the cattle that ensures everything remains the status quo.

 

Okay, they can be paid whatever profit an athletic department after all expenses are paid with that revenue.

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Free college education? Are you serious? The so called education they get is a drop in the bucket compared to the returns the schools get on tv deals, merchandise, and ticket sells. Also, have you listened to most of the student athletes that play collegiate ball? A significant number cannot even read or write. What kind of education are they getting. That's right, little to none. Football is more important, and they are the cattle that ensures everything remains the status quo.

You kind of proved his point, most of these guys wouldn't even make it to the college if it weren't for there atheistic skills. It's on them to take advantage of that opportunity...

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You kind of proved his point, most of these guys wouldn't even make it to the college if it weren't for there atheistic skills. It's on them to take advantage of that opportunity...

 

So instead of paying tuition, why not use that money for a salary? The kids are only there to perpetually prop up the athletic programs, and the overall pride of the school. The free education is just a facade.

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So instead of paying tuition, why not use that money for a salary? The kids are only there to perpetually prop up the athletic programs, and the overall pride of the school. The free education is just a facade.

 

Because the salary would go straight to paying for tuition?

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Because the salary would go straight to paying for tuition?

I am suggesting they not be students at all. Just hired men to play ball.

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I am suggesting they not be students at all. Just hired men to play ball.

 

That would defeat the purpose intercollegiate athletics.

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That would defeat the purpose intercollegiate athletics.

So what?

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So what?

 

Well, for one, it'd put me out of a job.

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I would agree with you except for 2 things:

 

1) They don't get a full scholarship. If you research alot of players can and have lost their scholarship due to poor performance or injury. Its basically like an NFL contract it is not a guaranteed thing. If it was I would totaly agree with you.

 

2) They aren't allowed to get jobs. Tons of college kids get scholarships, but only the athletic ones aren't allowed to work. I know college wants to control "kids" being abused. But to say someone is not allowed to make money by either getting a job or off their name and likeness is just asanine.

 

If these 2 things weren't a problem then I wouldn't agree that schools should pay the athletes.

 

I got a scholarship and we were allowed to work.  In fact some "scholarships" have work built into them.

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Many colleges athletic departments actually are in the red at the end of the year.  Paying athletes (you cant just pay football players....) will cut a lot of the sports.

 

The purpose of athletic scholarships is to get many kids who may not have have had the chance to go to school that opportunity.  Now people want to see the free education, room and board, food, and some clothing isnt good enough? 

 

Sad...very sad.

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Many colleges athletic departments actually are in the red at the end of the year.  Paying athletes (you cant just pay football players....) will cut a lot of the sports.

 

The purpose of athletic scholarships is to get many kids who may not have have had the chance to go to school that opportunity.  Now people want to see the free education, room and board, food, and some clothing isnt good enough? 

 

Sad...very sad.

 

I agree. As someone said earlier, if it wasn't for these schools offering scholarships to these athletes, they'd probably stocking shelves at Walmart or flipping burgers, or worse.

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Many colleges athletic departments actually are in the red at the end of the year.  Paying athletes (you cant just pay football players....) will cut a lot of the sports.

 

The purpose of athletic scholarships is to get many kids who may not have have had the chance to go to school that opportunity.  Now people want to see the free education, room and board, food, and some clothing isnt good enough? 

 

Sad...very sad.

 

Do you work?

If your job said we aren't going to pay you any more, just give you free room and board, would you take that? I'm guessing not.

 

What if they then said by you refusing to take this deal they had to let a bunch of non-productive employees go? I'm guessing that wouldn't change your mind.

 

As a %, how many scholarship football players in the NCAA do you think use their scholarship for legitimate educational purposes? If its even 50% I'll eat my hat. The whole system is a sham, these kids are basically full time football players. At major colleges they make a lot of money for their organization and all the get in return is an education most of them haven't the brains or inclination to use, an education that could go to a kid with brains rather than the ability to run a 4.4. The joke of it is, that they are already getting paid under the table, but people balk at the idea of a man getting paid honestly for his worth in actual cash. I just can't wrap my head around it.

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Just to be different, Bortles.

Free college education? Are you serious? ...... . What kind of education are they getting. That's right, little to none.

 

That is completely the fault of the athletes themselves.  They have EVERY opportunity in front of them to learn whatever they want and as much as they want.  Many choose the easiest path possible.  Thats their fault.  They have every single right in the world to go to the dean of engineering and work out a schedule where they can graduate in 5 years with an engineering degree.  Or do pre-med.  Or prepare themselves for law school.  Whatever they want to do. 

 

Why do we feel the need to cling to this victim mentality?  You know how many people in this country would KILL for the opportunity these athletes have?  But many of them waste it on joke basket weaving majors because they dont want to put in the time and energy.  They'd rather cruise through school and study as little as possible.  And then when they realize they wont make it to the NFL and theyve spent the last 4-5 years screwing around and have zero job prospects, then all of a sudden "Im a victim, Im a victim, you made all this money, and I got nothing, Oh woe as me!!!"  What a bunch of crap.  They are given everythign and most of them waste it.  You can use that free educationt to learn a real skill, use alumni and career center to get you a real job, and then you are set for life.  But oh no, they're victims. 

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That is completely the fault of the athletes themselves. They have EVERY opportunity in front of them to learn whatever they want and as much as they want. Many choose the easiest path possible. Thats their fault. They have every single right in the world to go to the dean of engineering and work out a schedule where they can graduate in 5 years with an engineering degree. Or do pre-med. Or prepare themselves for law school. Whatever they want to do.


Why do we feel the need to cling to this victim mentality? You know how many people in this country would KILL for the opportunity these athletes have? But many of them waste it on joke basket weaving majors because they dont want to put in the time and energy. They'd rather cruise through school and study as little as possible. And then when they realize they wont make it to the NFL and theyve spent the last 4-5 years screwing around and have zero job prospects, then all of a sudden "Im a victim, Im a victim, you made all this money, and I got nothing, Oh woe as me!!!" What a bunch of crap. They are given everythign and most of them waste it. You can use that free educationt to learn a real skill, use alumni and career center to get you a real job, and then you are set for life. But oh no, they're victims.

Very well said.

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That is completely the fault of the athletes themselves. They have EVERY opportunity in front of them to learn whatever they want and as much as they want. Many choose the easiest path possible. Thats their fault. They have every single right in the world to go to the dean of engineering and work out a schedule where they can graduate in 5 years with an engineering degree. Or do pre-med. Or prepare themselves for law school. Whatever they want to do.


Why do we feel the need to cling to this victim mentality? You know how many people in this country would KILL for the opportunity these athletes have? But many of them waste it on joke basket weaving majors because they dont want to put in the time and energy. They'd rather cruise through school and study as little as possible. And then when they realize they wont make it to the NFL and theyve spent the last 4-5 years screwing around and have zero job prospects, then all of a sudden "Im a victim, Im a victim, you made all this money, and I got nothing, Oh woe as me!!!" What a bunch of crap. They are given everythign and most of them waste it. You can use that free educationt to learn a real skill, use alumni and career center to get you a real job, and then you are set for life. But oh no, they're victims.

Who is calling them victims? If we know they want the easy path why support them as students? Why not put that tuition money toward a salary? The schools want The kids athletic talents to prop up their football programs, the kids just want to use those talents. Its really a win win.

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