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Impressions From The Texans Game
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(09-15-2019, 06:13 PM)Bullseye Wrote:(09-15-2019, 06:09 PM)JackCity Wrote: And Chad Pennington had plays like that too. Weak armed QBs can rifle the ball in occasionally, but generally they float their passes when asked to make difficult passes to the numbers or deep. Yeah, he's making good decisions for the most part and recognizing when guys are getting open. We'll see how it goes, the Texans defense is badly overrated, but the constant Fournette runs up the middle made it hard on our offense early. Hopefully they cut that crap out. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Honestly i'm on the fence about the two point conversion. It was ballsy move. It could've gone either way, but either way I would've preferred to see Minshew get the chance to make that play
I'm more concerned with how certain players are dealing with Marrone being their coach; I'm concerned that he's let these guys run roughshod over him since 2018, and now it may be that a few of them( (Ramsey) don't respect him. That does not bode well going forward. You don't see teams like the rams or New England dealing with these kinds of problems.
(09-15-2019, 06:13 PM)Bullseye Wrote:(09-15-2019, 06:09 PM)JackCity Wrote: And Chad Pennington had plays like that too. Weak armed QBs can rifle the ball in occasionally, but generally they float their passes when asked to make difficult passes to the numbers or deep. And that matters more to me than velocity 100%. He's a rookie who knows what to do and where go, some guys don't understand that until year 3 or 4
I think the decision to go for two was a mistake. Reason, Minchew was hot, our D was playing lights out at the end of the game. O line couldn't open a door all day for Fournette. Ride that pony into OT. Plus, we were playing a division opponent. If it were an out of division opponent, yeah, go for the two. I don't know what the NFL average for successful two point conversions is but I know the success of the extra point is high and with Lambo like 100%. This loss is more hurtful because it was a division game. Should have gone for the tie then OT.
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (09-15-2019, 06:20 PM)Nikowho Wrote: I'm more concerned with how certain players are dealing with Marrone being their coach; I'm concerned that he's let these guys run roughshod over him since 2018, and now it may be that a few of them( (Ramsey) don't respect him. That does not bode well going forward. You don't see teams like the rams or New England dealing with these kinds of problems. Marrone possibly losing/lost the team is a legitimate concern for me, and it has been since last year. That's a legitimate reason fir letting him go. But if he has lost the team, it's stunning how quickly it happened. He is the one the implemented a more serious tone in the locker room...taking out the ping pong tables, etc., then actually producing a winning season that first year. But last year everything went south in a hurry with the injuries and the discipline seemed to go with it. (09-15-2019, 06:24 PM)JackCity Wrote:(09-15-2019, 06:13 PM)Bullseye Wrote: The encouraging thing is he is seeing those wide open WRs in those intermediate routes. In these two games, I have never seen passes that left me wondering "where in the hell is he throwing?" This is true. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
(09-15-2019, 05:38 PM)JackCity Wrote:(09-15-2019, 05:21 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: I haven't seen any issues with Minshew's arm strength at all since he's come in. By that matter, so is Watson and it hasn't hindered him yet
I don't think Allen was credited for a sack. At least not on any stat sheet I could find.
None of them are wounded ducks either. He seems to be a natural thrower of the football. (And the sister was pretty cute)
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (09-15-2019, 06:16 PM)SeldomRite Wrote:(09-15-2019, 06:13 PM)Bullseye Wrote: The encouraging thing is he is seeing those wide open WRs in those intermediate routes. In these two games, I have never seen passes that left me wondering "where in the hell is he throwing?" Somehow I knew that run up the middle was coming on the 2-point conversion. I think running inside there was bad for several reasons. 1. Minshew had the hot hand. 2. Conversely, Fournette and the OL did NOT have the hot hand. 3. Running inside had not worked all game long, and it played into the strength of the Texans' defense-the front 7. (09-15-2019, 06:30 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: I don't think Allen was credited for a sack. At least not on any stat sheet I could find. They said he was given the sack on TV...FWIW. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
(09-15-2019, 05:12 PM)Bullseye Wrote: 1. Criticism of head coaches comes with the territory. Today, Marrone earned the criticism he is bound to receive after today. Now going for the two some would argue took guts. But others would argue that the Jaguars had the momentum and, if they took the momentum into overtime, they may have won. My bigger problem came early in the game, when he didn't challenge that clear drop by Hopkins that continued a drive that resulted in a FG. As it turns out, had he challenged that play and won, the Texans may have only had 10 points today, not 13. As to that play and the resulting sideline blowup with Ramsey, that'll be evidence that Marrone doesn't have control of the team, and that Ramsey is a loudmouth and cancer. While I think Ramsey may have gone too far with his disagreement, I think fundamentally he was right. Divas gonna diva. As to Marrone, I can't comment yet. I'll have to go back and watch the game on Gamepass. All I saw was Redzone, being out of market. Fix the O-Line!
(09-15-2019, 06:31 PM)Bullseye Wrote:(09-15-2019, 06:16 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: Yeah, he's making good decisions for the most part and recognizing when guys are getting open. We'll see how it goes, the Texans defense is badly overrated, but the constant Fournette runs up the middle made it hard on our offense early. Hopefully they cut that crap out. Fans and observers undoubtedly will criticize both the decision to go for two, and to run Fournette. Marrone said the decision to go for two was made well in advance of Chark’s touchdown. As for the run to Fournette, the Jaguars had multiple plays called. The Texans’ defensive formation for the play determined the run. Watch it back, Conley has half the endzone open. (09-15-2019, 06:35 PM)JagFan81 Wrote:(09-15-2019, 06:31 PM)Bullseye Wrote: Somehow I knew that run up the middle was coming on the 2-point conversion. None of that is surprising...but I'd like to see Conley on that play. Was he on the bunch side or the right? Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (09-15-2019, 06:40 PM)Bullseye Wrote:(09-15-2019, 06:35 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: Fans and observers undoubtedly will criticize both the decision to go for two, and to run Fournette. Marrone said the decision to go for two was made well in advance of Chark’s touchdown. As for the run to Fournette, the Jaguars had multiple plays called. The Texans’ defensive formation for the play determined the run. Yeah, hes the slot WR on the left. He runs a simple drag over the middle. The Texans are lined up against the run, the WRs are in man coverage. I saw some debating if it was an RPO but Minshew hands it off pretty quick, doesn't look to be reading the Mike or anyone. Oh dear, Marrone has also said he 'cant remember' what him and Ramsey argued about. Um....yeah right!!
That drop by Ramsey sucked, but we got to give the guy a lot of credit. Wash allowed him to play man coverage (THANK GOD), and Ramsey OWNED this match up against Hopkins. Made him his... you know.
(09-15-2019, 05:54 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: According to Marrone we had numerous plays ready but we let how the Texans D lined up pick it. Oh for heavens sake that is a cop-out excuse. The team that has the ball should dictate the tempo of the game. In our case it doesn't matter though because the NFL and the refs hate us. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (09-15-2019, 06:29 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote:(09-15-2019, 05:38 PM)JackCity Wrote: I mean he floats the ball a ton. He's very accurate and makes good decisions so it doesn't matter as much but he's in the below average to bottom tier of arm velocity Watsons arm is more like average and he's one of the best playmakers in the league at QB. Minshew has played well, idc about arm velocity if you play like he does but it's just the reality of who he is as a QB.
This is as fireable of an offense as anything else Marrone has done...which is a lot...
https://twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/1...3910501376 (09-15-2019, 05:12 PM)Bullseye Wrote: 1. Criticism of head coaches comes with the territory. Today, Marrone earned the criticism he is bound to receive after today. Now going for the two some would argue took guts. But others would argue that the Jaguars had the momentum and, if they took the momentum into overtime, they may have won. My bigger problem came early in the game, when he didn't challenge that clear drop by Hopkins that continued a drive that resulted in a FG. As it turns out, had he challenged that play and won, the Texans may have only had 10 points today, not 13. As to that play and the resulting sideline blowup with Ramsey, that'll be evidence that Marrone doesn't have control of the team, and that Ramsey is a loudmouth and cancer. While I think Ramsey may have gone too far with his disagreement, I think fundamentally he was right. To summarize, quit over thinking it. Minshew is the QB. He has not shown any reason to believe the game is above him. Take the hand cuffs off, give him the full play book, let the defense loose and stop playing scared!
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