The Jaguars need a DE and QB.  If you grade the DE higher, then you take the DE. 

The DE has to be graded much higher. If they are close at all you take the QB every time, and I feel that at least Teddy will be rated closely. 

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Of course I would take the all pro QB.  In the past 10 years, theres really only been 3 all pro QBs.  Brady, Manning, and Rodgers.  

 

You don't know if Bridgewater is going to be Manning or Matt Ryan.  Matt Ryan is a franchise QB. Bridgewater can easily be Matt Ryan.  

 

I feel like Clowney is one of those prospects in the realm of Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss,  Suh, Kearse, Peppers, etc.... that is so extremely gifted with athleticism.  

Ok then, would you turn down Matt Ryan with the weapons that we have

 

I in fact agree that Clowney as that POTENTIAL

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The Jaguars need a DE and QB.  If you grade the DE higher, then you take the DE.  Both positions are important.  If QBs are so important (theres only about 5 elite franchise QB), then why was Brady (6th rd, yes lucky but the pats were built on D), Wilson (rd 3), Kaep (rd 2) in the final 4?  

Actually can respond to both parts of this flawed statement. http://www.bucsnation.com/2013/11/14/510...draft-pick

 

You don't draft and pray that you find the extreme outliers...especially at QB, you scout and play the percentages and if you do get extremely lucky and an outlier QB falls in your lap then you become a dynasty. Fishing for the Brady/Brees/Wilson is statistically a 90%+ chance of failure. I'm not getting on that boat. 

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Actually can respond to both parts of this flawed statement. http://www.bucsnation.com/2013/11/14/510...draft-pick

 

You don't draft and pray that you find the extreme outliers...especially at QB, you scout and play the percentages and if you do get extremely lucky and an outlier QB falls in your lap then you become a dynasty. Fishing for the Brady/Brees/Wilson is statistically a 90%+ chance of failure. I'm not getting on that boat. 

Talent past the 1st is extremely difficult to find. 

 

Oddly enough its the qbs who have everything but the physical knocks that get drafted later an excel

 

Brady had physical knocks, Brees had them and Wilson had them

 

Ought to tell people something

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Here are the 1st round QBs (next Manning, can't miss, gonna take our team to the next 15 years of playoffs) for the past few years

 

2007 Russell (JaMarcus), Brady Quinn, 

2008 Ryan, Flacco

2009 Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman

2010 Bradford, Tebow

2011 Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder 

2012 Luck, RG3, Weeden

 

 

So maybe one elite QB?  How many elite talents did those high pick teams pass up?  Calvin Johnson?  Aldon Smith? Patrick Peterson? Adrian Peterson? JJ Watt?  etc....  

 

I'm just saying I would like the Jaguars to have a great team.  I feel the safest way is just taking the freak talent when its there.  In no way, am I knocking Teddy.  I would love Bridgewater.  I just like Clowney more.  I feel like Bridgewater would become an instant franchise QB.  If Bridgewater can turn out to be like Aaron Rodgers instead of Matt Ryan, that'd be great.  If he doesnt... that'll put us behind a couple more years

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Look at the best defenses last year... remember our coach is a defensive coach.  Seahawks, Panthers, 49ers, Saints, KC, Cardinals, Bengals.  The only team that really depends on their QB is N.O.  

 

I'll take the success that the Seahawks, 49ers, Bengals have had the past 4-5 years from drafting the higher grade player over the need for QB.  Bengals taking AJ Green when they really needed a QB.  The 49ers building the oline and dline and probably having the best team in the NFL.  

 

 

After saying everything... If Clowney is gone, I would prefer Bridgewater over anyone else.  I have Clowney as 1 and Bridgewater as 2.  I wouldn't want Barr or Mack over Bridgewater.  This argument is more about Clowney then defense over offense.  I feel like Clowney would make this team better than Bridgewater.  

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Here are the 1st round QBs (next Manning, can't miss, gonna take our team to the next 15 years of playoffs) for the past few years

 

2007 Russell (JaMarcus), Brady Quinn, 

2008 Ryan, Flacco

2009 Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman

2010 Bradford, Tebow

2011 Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder 

2012 Luck, RG3, Weeden

 

 

So maybe one elite QB?  How many elite talents did those high pick teams pass up?  Calvin Johnson?  Aldon Smith? Patrick Peterson? Adrian Peterson? JJ Watt?  etc....  

 

I'm just saying I would like the Jaguars to have a great team.  I feel the safest way is just taking the freak talent when its there.  In no way, am I knocking Teddy.  I would love Bridgewater.  I just like Clowney more.  I feel like Bridgewater would become an instant franchise QB.  If Bridgewater can turn out to be like Aaron Rodgers instead of Matt Ryan, that'd be great.  If he doesnt... that'll put us behind a couple more years

Would you really pass over Matt Ryan???

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Look at the best defenses last year... remember our coach is a defensive coach.  Seahawks, Panthers, 49ers, Saints, KC, Cardinals, Bengals.  The only team that really depends on their QB is N.O.  

 

I'll take the success that the Seahawks, 49ers, Bengals have had the past 4-5 years from drafting the higher grade player over the need for QB.  Bengals taking AJ Green when they really needed a QB.  The 49ers building the oline and dline and probably having the best team in the NFL.  

The problem is those teams have had years of drafting high and good scouting to boot...Time is not on our side. We have to win now

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Would you really pass over Matt Ryan???

Yes, I would really pass over Matt Ryan.  Atl has given up so much to build their team around Matt Ryan. He's not an elite or all pro QB to me.  He has had Julio Jones, Roddy White, Gonzalez, Turner, etc.  He's NOT a 100 million dollar QB.  That's the problem with these average QBs that aren't elite.  They get top dollar contracts and teams lose the talent they have around them when they weren't top dollar.  

 

Like Ryan, Flacco, Romo, Eli etc.  These are average to good QBs that get Manning money.  All of those GMs aren't going anywhere since they've has success.  That's the danger of drafting a QB to high.  You feel commited to them.  You don't' want to admit they weren't that great.  You miss that all those teams were good before they came on.  Those QBs set them over the edge, now are overpaid... and the teams will pay for it

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Yes, I would really pass over Matt Ryan.  Atl has given up so much to build their team around Matt Ryan. He's not an elite or all pro QB to me.  He has had Julio Jones, Roddy White, Gonzalez, Turner, etc.  He's NOT a 100 million dollar QB.  That's the problem with these average QBs that aren't elite.  They get top dollar contracts and teams lose the talent they have around them when they weren't top dollar.  

 

Like Ryan, Flacco, Romo, Eli etc.  These are average to good QBs that get Manning money.  All of those GMs aren't going anywhere since they've has success.  That's the danger of drafting a QB to high.  You feel commited to them.  You don't' want to admit they weren't that great.  You miss that all those teams were good before they came on.  Those QBs set them over the edge, now are overpaid... and the teams will pay for it

Flacco has a Superbowl rin

 

Eli has two SB rings

 

Romo and Ryan have had their teams be competitive for the most part

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Here are the 1st round QBs (next Manning, can't miss, gonna take our team to the next 15 years of playoffs) for the past few years

Hyperbole much jeez? Luck is the only QB prospect put on Mannings level in the last 20 years. 

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We have to win now

 

Why?

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Who the heck decided that Clowney is already a guaranteed All Pro and Teddy (or any other 1st round QB) is barely better than the later guys? That is in no way already proven.

 

If Dave determines that there is a franchise QB prospect available at 3 he doesn't care if the promise of Reggie White is available at 3 he passes on him for the QB. It's really that simple. 

 

Who the heck decided that Clowney is already a guaranteed All Pro and Teddy (or any other 1st round QB) is barely better than the later guys? That is in no way already proven.

 

If Dave determines that there is a franchise QB prospect available at 3 he doesn't care if the promise of Reggie White is available at 3 he passes on him for the QB. It's really that simple. 

This may be one of the stupid post ever.  Reggie freakin White?  The only QB's in the game I would take over White is Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees.  Its not even close with the rest of the QBs.   You dont just take a franchise QB over Reggie White, it better be a Hall of Fame QB.  WOW

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Why?

We haven't made the playoffs since 07

 

We haven't won 8 games since 2010

 

I really don't like losing, we have a qb in the draft who can make us competitive again

 

Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss, Suh, Pepper all those "special talents" have something in common

 

No ring on their finger...

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This may be one of the stupid post ever.  Reggie freakin White?  The only QB's in the game I would take over White is Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees.  Its not even close with the rest of the QBs.   You dont just take a franchise QB over Reggie White, it better be a Hall of Fame QB.  WOW

 

This may be one of the stupid post ever.  Reggie freakin White?  The only QB's in the game I would take over White is Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees.  Its not even close with the rest of the QBs.   You dont just take a franchise QB over Reggie White, it better be a Hall of Fame QB.  WOW

We don't have to worry about Reggie White cause there is no Reggie White in this draft...

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This may be one of the stupid post ever.  Reggie freakin White?  The only QB's in the game I would take over White is Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees.  Its not even close with the rest of the QBs.   You dont just take a franchise QB over Reggie White, it better be a Hall of Fame QB.  WOW

How many super bowls did the best two DEs of all time (Reggie White and Bruce Smith) win? One total, and White had to bail and join up with Brett Favre to get it.

 

Again, you all so highly over romanticize these pass rushers. They're great but not even close to the same level as a QB. You take the gamble on a franchise QB prospect over a franchise DE prospect every time.   

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Flacco has a Superbowl rin


Eli has two SB rings


Romo and Ryan have had their teams be competitive for the most part

Flacco and Eli won because of their elite defenses.

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Hyperbole much jeez? Luck is the only QB prospect put on Mannings level in the last 20 years.

Every year you hear oh this qb is the next ... Look at all the sayings about freaking Manziel

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Flacco and Eli won because of their elite defenses.

Middle of the pack defenses actually...

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Every year you hear oh this qb is the next ... Look at all the sayings about freaking Manziel

http://www.sportsxchange.com/DS97/walsh/walsh2qb.htm

 

Give a good...

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