We don't have to worry about Reggie White cause there is no Reggie White in this draft...

I didnt say there was,

 

How many super bowls did the best two DEs of all time (Reggie White and Bruce Smith) win? One total, and White had to bail and join up with Brett Favre to get it.

 

Again, you all so highly over romanticize these pass rushers. They're great but not even close to the same level as a QB. You take the gamble on a franchise QB prospect over a franchise DE prospect every time.   

How many SB rings did Favre win without White?  0  How many more SB rings does Peyton Manning have than Reggie White?  0

 

The better team is what wins the SB or Tom Brady would have 5 rings.

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Look at all the sayings about freaking Manziel

I have not heard one person say he is even close to Peyton as a prospect, or call him can't miss. To the contrary...all you hear is that he is as boom/bust as a prospect gets, and that taking him high requires a great leap of faith. 

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Yes, I would really pass over Matt Ryan.  Atl has given up so much to build their team around Matt Ryan. He's not an elite or all pro QB to me.  He has had Julio Jones, Roddy White, Gonzalez, Turner, etc.  He's NOT a 100 million dollar QB.  That's the problem with these average QBs that aren't elite.  They get top dollar contracts and teams lose the talent they have around them when they weren't top dollar.  

 

Like Ryan, Flacco, Romo, Eli etc.  These are average to good QBs that get Manning money.  All of those GMs aren't going anywhere since they've has success.  That's the danger of drafting a QB to high.  You feel commited to them.  You don't' want to admit they weren't that great.  You miss that all those teams were good before they came on.  Those QBs set them over the edge, now are overpaid... and the teams will pay for it

 

The next question would be: do you believe there's any QB in this draft better than Matt Ryan? I don't see it. 

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The next question would be: do you believe there's any QB in this draft better than Matt Ryan? I don't see it. 

Bridgewater is better, could do every thing Matty Ice could do but with a stronger arm and much better pocket mobility

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The next question would be: do you believe there's any QB in this draft better than Matt Ryan? I don't see it. 

"Ryan and Rodgers are important names to mention because Bridgewater’s touch, footwork, reads, and maneuverability all approach –- and in some cases exceed –- Ryan's skills at the same point of this trio’s careers at the college level. Whether he can continue along this trajectory in the NFL is another story, but it’s a good sign for Bridgewater’s development."

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures...ridgewater

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How many super bowls did the best two DEs of all time (Reggie White and Bruce Smith) win? One total, and White had to bail and join up with Brett Favre to get it.

 

Again, you all so highly over romanticize these pass rushers. They're great but not even close to the same level as a QB. You take the gamble on a franchise QB prospect over a franchise DE prospect every time.   

How many more SB's did Bruce Smith make it too than one of the best QBs of all time Dan Marino? 3

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How many more SB's did Bruce Smith make it too than one of the best QBs of all time Dan Marino? 3

Bruce Smith had Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas and Andre Reed....

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Bruce Smith had Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas and Andre Reed....

Thats my point, its the best team that wins.

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"Ryan and Rodgers are important names to mention because Bridgewater’s touch, footwork, reads, and maneuverability all approach –- and in some cases exceed –- Ryan's skills at the same point of this trio’s careers at the college level. Whether he can continue along this trajectory in the NFL is another story, but it’s a good sign for Bridgewater’s development."

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures...ridgewater

 

 

"I don't see Bridgewater as a franchise savior like RGIII was in Washington ... Now if he went to the Houston Texans, which is a damn good team already, could he turn them around kind of like the Chiefs did this year? Yeah, he could."

When asked to compare Bridgewater to recent No. 1 picks at the quarterback position, the scout wasn't sold on how Bridgewater stacks up.

"I think when you look at a guy like Sam Bradford, he was damn good in college. I loved that guy. He was pinpoint accurate, with ball placement, timing, arm strength. He had all those areas [better than Bridgewater]. "



Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/new...z2s2adKIxK
 
This is the most accurate comparison IMO but Bradford was a bit better prospect

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"I don't see Bridgewater as a franchise savior like RGIII was in Washington"

 

You should disregard this scouts opinion if he wants to call RG3 the franchise savior after that debacle of a season he had...

 

So he is in between Bradford and Ryan and a qb prospect. Id say he is much closer to Bradford. Thats a pretty good qb prospect right there.

 

Ignore Bradford's NFL numbers ( Rams have been a debacle of a team), he was a elite of an elite prospect

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How many more SB's did Bruce Smith make it too than one of the best QBs of all time Dan Marino? 3

 

Adam Vinatieri made more Super Bowls than Bruce Smith.  Guess Kicker is super important.  He's been in six super bowls, and won 4.  Tom Brady has never been in a super bowl without Vinatieri where he's won.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Adam Vinatieri made more Super Bowls than Bruce Smith.  Guess Kicker is super important.  He's been in six super bowls, and won 4.

DE must be much more important, One of the best DE's of all time has 5 rings.  Charles Haley!  More than any QB or kicker

 

 

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Middle of the pack defenses actually...

You're right those defenses were average. It was their elite pass rushers that made their defense look good. I'm sure ngata and Suggs had just as much to do with it as Flacco. Also , didn't the giants have some great des when Eli won? All of a sudden the DEs get old and Eli can't carry the giants ?

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Bruce Smith had Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas and Andre Reed....

Youre trying so hard to force your agenda, you forget that the case could be made that those guys had Bruce Smith! You just proved it works both ways.

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didn't have time to go through the thread to see if this was posted already. 

 

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Bridgewater is better, could do every thing Matty Ice could do but with a stronger arm and much better pocket mobility

You put Matt Ryan on this years Jaguars team and are they any better than the Falcons?  Would they still just win 4 games?  Is the Jaguars roster any better than the Falcons roster?  Matt Ryan needs 1st round talent WR to be a great WR.  Are we gonna waste more 1st round picks on WR, if he draft Teddy?  Now, if he's like Rodgers... ok draft him..  He makes good WRs into 1st round talents.  

 

Just like you, I just want this team to win again and win "now".  I feel like the best way to do that is to draft Clowney (if he's there).  You take a look at the Jets.  They have less talent on offense than us, probably than any NFL team in the league in the past 5 years.  I mean Geno Smith, Bilal Powel, Santanio Holmes?  really?  Anyways, they went 8-8.  Matt Ryan went 4-12.  

 

This is a QB league now, you either have Manning or Brady or Rodgers... or you gotta be the Bengals, 49ers, or Seahawks.  You gotta rush the QB without sending 6 or 7 to do it.  I'm not promising Clowney will be the best DE ever, but he has the potential.  He has the potential to make the Jags defense into something special.  He doesn't need 1st round DTs and DEs around him.  Pair him with Donald or Kony or any later pick... and one of your weakness could turn into one of the best just in one draft.  

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I'm taking the far better player, once-in-a-lifetime freak prospect at a position that is used to stop other franchise QBs and then I'm selecting one of my own in the 2nd round.

 

I guess we'll agree to disagree but don't be surprised if the Texans or Jaguars see it the same way.

 

The once in a lifetime freak has far less of an impact at DE than a pretty good player at QB. It's really simple to understand. A QB is more important than a DE. A QB touches the ball more and is more critical to a win than a DE. 

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You put Matt Ryan on this years Jaguars team and are they any better than the Falcons?  Would they still just win 4 games?  Is the Jaguars roster any better than the Falcons roster?  Matt Ryan needs 1st round talent WR to be a great WR.  Are we gonna waste more 1st round picks on WR, if he draft Teddy?  Now, if he's like Rodgers... ok draft him..  He makes good WRs into 1st round talents.  

 

Just like you, I just want this team to win again and win "now".  I feel like the best way to do that is to draft Clowney (if he's there).  You take a look at the Jets.  They have less talent on offense than us, probably than any NFL team in the league in the past 5 years.  I mean Geno Smith, Bilal Powel, Santanio Holmes?  really?  Anyways, they went 8-8.  Matt Ryan went 3-13.  

 

This is a QB league now, you either have Manning or Brady or Rodgers... or you gotta be the Bengals, 49ers, or Seahawks.  You gotta rush the QB without sending 6 or 7 to do it.  I'm not promising Clowney will be the best DE ever, but he has the potential.  He has the potential to make the Jags defense into something special.  He doesn't need 1st round DTs and DEs around him.  Pair him with Donald or Kony or any later pick... and one of your weakness could turn into one of the best just in one draft.  

 

With Ryan, I think we're 10-6. Shorts and a sober Blackmon are more than adequate. Lewis while not Gonzalez is still a solid TE. 

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With Ryan, I think we're 10-6. Shorts and a sober Blackmon are more than adequate. Lewis while not Gonzalez is still a solid TE. 

With Ryan, how are we 10-6?  Shorts is not better than Roddy White.  Blackmon is not better than Julio Jones.  Gonzalez is probably the most important target for Ryan, who bails him out a lot.  That's just the offense.  

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With Ryan, I think we're 10-6. Shorts and a sober Blackmon are more than adequate. Lewis while not Gonzalez is still a solid TE. 

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