LOL He didn't sell you on it?  come on now... We draft Teddy and we're 10-6. 

 

Anyways, why haven't the top QBs draft been successful lately?  I mean Bradford, Stafford, and Cam all should be carrying those teams by now.  The Rams, Lions, and Panthers should be winning the NFC... not the Seahawks or 49ers.  They decided to pass on QBs and build up their trenches.  Yes, you have Luck.  Luck is the once in a decade talent you pick.  You don't pass on someone who you see can be one of the best NFL players for the next 10 years for your team, regardless of QB or DE.  

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You put Matt Ryan on this years Jaguars team and are they any better than the Falcons?  Would they still just win 4 games?  Is the Jaguars roster any better than the Falcons roster?  Matt Ryan needs 1st round talent WR to be a great WR.  Are we gonna waste more 1st round picks on WR, if he draft Teddy?  Now, if he's like Rodgers... ok draft him..  He makes good WRs into 1st round talents.  

I like both Bridgewater and Clowney, but I feel compelled to respond to this point.


Assuming you mean Matt Ryan needs first round talent at WR to be a great QB, I strongly disagree with the idea drafting WR in the first round is a waste, even if you already have a great QB. There are too many examples of highly successful teams drafting WR in the first round after having their great QB to dismiss such a move as wasteful.


The 1970's Steelers added Lynn Swann in 1974-after having Bradshaw for a few years. They won four Super Bowls, and Swann what the catalyst in three of them and he wound up in the NFL Hall of Fame. the 1980s Forty Niners already had Joe Montana before they added Jerry Rice in 1986. Because of that addition they wound up winning 3 more Super Bowls and Jerry Rice wound up in the Hall of Fame. The 1990s Cowboys added Troy Aikman in 1989 and then Alvin Harper in the first round in 1991 and they wound up winning 2 Super Bowls with Harper. The Steelers of the last decade added Ben Roethlisberger in 2004 and then drafted Santonio Holmeses and went to three Super Bowls. Peyton Manning preceded Reggie Wayne on the Colts and they wound up going to two Super Bowls winning one.


now if you was Sgt that adding a wide receiver is wasteful if the rest of your roster isn't up to par then the analysis still holds true. Plenty of successful teams have added wide receiver before the rest of the holes on their team were filled and they still went on a major success. Before Washington went on its championship runs of the 1980s, they drafted Art Monk in the first round in 1981(?). Dallas' addition of Michael Irvin in 1988 followed a 7 win season in strike shortened 1987, and preceded 3 and 1 win seasons before their dynasty of the 90s. the Colts were far from completed when they drafted Marvin Harrison in 1996, but benefitted greatly from him when they added Peyton Manning two seasons later.


In short adding a game changing WR who can stay on the field is not a waste, and can play an important role in winning championships.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

We did as well as the Falcons with Chad Henne at Quarterback.  I think it's safe to say if you give us Matt Ryan he adds a few wins.  He actually didn't do that bad last year, despite what the record says.  Harry Douglass was a 1000 yard receiver last year.  With Matt Ryan, I'd say last year we go at least 7-9.  8-8 would certainly be a possibility.

 

Unless you think Henne is better than Ryan, there's no reason to think we wouldn't have done a good deal better last year.  And if you do think Henne is better than Ryan, please let me know so I can not take your opinion seriously ever again.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

I do think Matt Ryan needs elite WRs to be a great QB, but I think that spending multiple first round picks on WRs is a waste as well.  Most of the examples you listed were during the non-salary era and the other was one of the best QBs of all time.  I believe building your team through the trenches.  When you build your team to be dependent on  passing game and ignore other areas, you won't have a great team.  A great WR can be taken out of the game due to weather or double teams or just a bad QB.  The only HOF wrs in the superbowl lately are Moss, Harrison and Wayne.

 

If your QB is so great, then get him talent later (TY Hilton, Shorts etc.)  do your homework.  If you wanna spend high picks on WRs, then do your homework on QBs.  You don't need to spend 3 1st rounders to build this great passing team and have absolutely no talent elsewhere.  

 

Why do you think it's safe to say Matt Ryan would add us a few wins?  Did they have that less talent then us?  Maybe the Falcons went 4-12 like us, b/c of injuries and b/c they weren't that good.  They depend on their passing game and without Julio Jones, they became horrible.  They didn't have a good foundation such as the 49ers who could perform well without Crabtree or the Seahawks without Rice or Harvin.  The Jaguars don't have a good foundation right now.  Both side of the lines are horrible.  Teddy, Ryan, whoever... wouldn't change this to a 8-8 team.  The only reason we would be 8-8 is because we play in the AFC.  

 

I'm not arguing QBs are useless.  This is about Teddy vs Clowney.  I feel like Teddy is closer to Ryan than Rodgers.  I feel like Clowney is closer to Peppers than Jared Allen.  I also believe the Jaguars won't be picking in the top 10 for very long.  This is there chance to have that elite NFL player for 10 years.  Next year, I feel like a QB that could be just as good at Teddy drops out of the top 10.  

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Anyways, why haven't the top QBs draft been successful lately?  I mean Bradford, Stafford, and Cam all should be carrying those teams by now.  The Rams, Lions, and Panthers should be winning the NFC... not the Seahawks or 49ers.

 

It's because there were teams built around the QBs in Seattle and SF before they added their QBs to complete the puzzle.

 

Not to mention, those QBs aren't all that... they were overdrafted by teams desperate for need at the position.

 

If the Jaguars reach for a QB in desperation, that's what we'll be like, too until we build a bona-fide team on both sides of the ball.  We don't have that yet like Seattle and SF did when they added their QBs, and therefore we're a long, long way from expecting that kind of turnaround.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

It's because there were teams built around the QBs in Seattle and SF before they added their QBs to complete the puzzle.


Not to mention, those QBs aren't all that... they were overdrafted by teams desperate for need at the position.


If the Jaguars reach for a QB in desperation, that's what we'll be like, too until we build a bona-fide team on both sides of the ball. We don't have that yet like Seattle and SF did when they added their QBs, and therefore we're a long, long way from expecting that kind of turnaround.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

I do think Matt Ryan needs elite WRs to be a great QB, but I think that spending multiple first round picks on WRs is a waste as well.  Most of the examples you listed were during the non-salary era and the other was one of the best QBs of all time.  I believe building your team through the trenches.  When you build your team to be dependent on  passing game and ignore other areas, you won't have a great team.  A great WR can be taken out of the game due to weather or double teams or just a bad QB.  The only HOF wrs in the superbowl lately are Moss, Harrison and Wayne.

What difference does it make whether its pre salary cap vs salary cap when it comes to accumulating talent to win a title and building from the trenches v. Skill players? There are still myriad examples of teams building with early emphasis on skill players in the salary cap era. In the six drafts leading up to their Super Bowl run of the 2000s, the Steelers picked three skill position players (Burgess, Roethlisberger, Polamalu, Miller) to two first round linemen (Hampton, Simmons). After their tainted win in Super Bowl XL, the Steelers used first round picks on non linemen with Holmes, Mendenhall and Timmons and went to the Super Bowl in 2008, winning XLIII. They quite possibly had the worst OL to ever win the Super Bowl. Since then, the Steelers have drafted linemen almost exclusively in the first round and they have struggled since. The Saints championship team featured an OL that did not have a single starter drafted in the first round. The Colts almost exclusively drafted skill position in the first round in the Manning era.


Furthermore, there have been more Hall of Fame caliberWRs in recent Super Bowls than you suggest. T.O., Larry Fitzgerald, Tim Brown, Jerry Rice, Torry Holt and others have all played in Super Bowls within the last 15 years, and all have either been inducted or will warrant serious discussion in the future.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

It's because there were teams built around the QBs in Seattle and SF before they added their QBs to complete the puzzle.

 

Not to mention, those QBs aren't all that... they were overdrafted by teams desperate for need at the position.

 

If the Jaguars reach for a QB in desperation, that's what we'll be like, too until we build a bona-fide team on both sides of the ball.  We don't have that yet like Seattle and SF did when they added their QBs, and therefore we're a long, long way from expecting that kind of turnaround.

 

So if Caldwell selects a QB in the first round, you'll be calling it a reach then?

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

It's because there were teams built around the QBs in Seattle and SF before they added their QBs to complete the puzzle.

 

Not to mention, those QBs aren't all that... they were overdrafted by teams desperate for need at the position.

 

If the Jaguars reach for a QB in desperation, that's what we'll be like, too until we build a bona-fide team on both sides of the ball.  We don't have that yet like Seattle and SF did when they added their QBs, and therefore we're a long, long way from expecting that kind of turnaround.

Wait, Kaep in the 2nd and Wilson in the 3rd were overdrafted? Holy cow Pirk, you've said some looney things this offseason but this one takes the cake.

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Wait, Kaep in the 2nd and Wilson in the 3rd were overdrafted? Holy cow Pirk, you've said some looney things this offseason but this one takes the cake.

I didn't think what he said was hard to understand. He was saying the Rams, PAnthers, and other teams did.

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So if Caldwell selects a QB in the first round, you'll be calling it a reach then?

If it's not Bridgewater, then yes, he is

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What difference does it make whether its pre salary cap vs salary cap when it comes to accumulating talent to win a title and building from the trenches v. Skill players? There are still myriad examples of teams building with early emphasis on skill players in the salary cap era. In the six drafts leading up to their Super Bowl run of the 2000s, the Steelers picked three skill position players (Burgess, Roethlisberger, Polamalu, Miller) to two first round linemen (Hampton, Simmons). After their tainted win in Super Bowl XL, the Steelers used first round picks on non linemen with Holmes, Mendenhall and Timmons and went to the Super Bowl in 2008, winning XLIII. They quite possibly had the worst OL to ever win the Super Bowl. Since then, the Steelers have drafted linemen almost exclusively in the first round and they have struggled since. The Saints championship team featured an OL that did not have a single starter drafted in the first round. The Colts almost exclusively drafted skill position in the first round in the Manning era.


Furthermore, there have been more Hall of Fame caliberWRs in recent Super Bowls than you suggest. T.O., Larry Fitzgerald, Tim Brown, Jerry Rice, Torry Holt and others have all played in Super Bowls within the last 15 years, and all have either been inducted or will warrant serious discussion in the future.

The difference in which era, is you can't afford to miss on a high round wr like the past. You could buy talent like the teams he listed , the niners and cowboys .


I never said anything against skill players. If you read, I said I like teddy if Clowney isn't there. I just said Wrs. From the steelers , you could easily said Holmes and plaxoco were their worst picks out of the ones you names and were easily replaced by later picks such as Wallace and brown .

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If it's not Bridgewater, then yes, he is

Pretty sure Pirkster doesn't want Bridgewater anywhere near this team.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

I didn't think what he said was hard to understand. He was saying the Rams, PAnthers, and other teams did.

Nah, as prospects Bradford and Newton were certain first overalls

 

Cam has being living up to the billing, Bradford has been dealing with a hellacious team in the Rams

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Pretty sure Pirkster doesn't want Bridgewater anywhere near this team.

Thats his problem, he can support a different team

 

Just because Bridgewater decided not to play for his college team Pirks is going to get all mad

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I didn't think what he said was hard to understand. He was saying the Rams, PAnthers, and other teams did.

Meh, it was worded quite awkwardly with many presuppositions...but I get it now. Pseudo apology then Pirk, you are still off your rocker lately, but not quite as much as I thought you were an hour ago.

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The difference in which era, is you can't afford to miss on a high round wr like the past. You could buy talent like the teams he listed , the niners and cowboys .


I never said anything against skill players. If you read, I said I like teddy if Clowney isn't there. I just said Wrs. From the steelers , you could easily said Holmes and plaxoco were their worst picks out of the ones you names and were easily replaced by later picks such as Wallace and brown .

 

Actually, you couldn't simply buy talent if you missed.

 

There was no salary cap when those dynasties were built, but there was no real free agency, either.  After the NFL strike of 87, there was "Plan B" free agency, where teams could unload guys from the bottom of the roster, but that wasn't true free agency, which wasn't awarded to the players until after the Freeman McNeil lawsuit.  The most notable plaintiff in that suit, and the first big ticket free agent, was Reggie White.  But mostly unfettered, unrestricted free agency and the Salary cap, for all intents and purposes, came upon the NFL at the same time, with maybe a two year gap

 

http://www.ask.com/question/when-did-the...salary-cap

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/15618...fl-forever

 

Regarding your WR analysis, it's still off, because Santonio Holmes was NOT among the worst picks for the Steelers in that era.  Holmes is still playing, and the Steelers do not Win Super Bowl 43 without him.  Simmons wasn't a starter on that Super Bowl team.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I know it's still early in the game... but does this game show anyone else?  defense over offense?  

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I know it's still early in the game... but does this game show anyone else?  defense over offense?  

Great scouting departments

 

Makes me excited that we have Bradley

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I know it's still early in the game... but does this game show anyone else?  defense over offense?  

Earl Thomas was the only guy who stuck out to me coming out of the draft and he was a 14 overall pick

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