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Thats what you want to believe. Of course there is always a gamble but some gambles are greater than others.

How do you figure? Please explain.

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How do you figure? Please explain.

Some players are safer picks than others. All players can fail but the likelihood varies based on the players skillset/mentality/work ethic and the unknown variable like how a coach adapts to them and team compatibility 

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Some players are safer picks than others. All players can fail but the likelihood varies based on the players skillset/mentality/work ethic and the unknown variable like how a coach adapts to them and team compatibility 

Manziel has all 3

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Manziel has all 3

I should elaborate on skillset, I am talking about how easily does skillset translate to the pros

 

For a qb that is:

 

1. Necessary arm strength

2. Touch and accuracy

3. Can he play in a pro offense

 

If doesn't have all those qualifiers, does he have the sheer physical prowess to overcome a lack of touch/accuracy or limited pro offense knowledge (i.e Cam Newton)

 

No doubt Manziel has the physical skillset, my question is how easily does his system and style of play translate to the NFL???

 

I like Manziel, if we had a vet who we felt that we could get 2-3 years solid years out of, Manziel would be my second pick behind Bridgewater. 

 

However if Manziel has to start, I am scared.

 

Again I like what Manziel brings to the table but he is unpolished in the mental side of the game. That is why I think he is a risk.

 

Combined with the fact he doesn't have a cannon for an arm or size to make up for deficiencies

 

What happens when teams force him to throw in the pocket??? What happens when he gets hurt and his legs become a non factor???? 

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I should elaborate on skillset, I am talking about how easily does skillset translate to the pros

 

For a qb that is:

 

1. Necessary arm strength

2. Touch and accuracy

3. Can he play in a pro offense

 

If doesn't have all those qualifiers, does he have the sheer physical prowess to overcome a lack of touch/accuracy or limited pro offense knowledge (i.e Cam Newton)

 

No doubt Manziel has the physical skillset, my question is how easily does his system and style of play translate to the NFL???

 

I like Manziel, if we had a vet who we felt that we could get 2-3 years solid years out of, Manziel would be my second pick behind Bridgewater. 

 

However if Manziel has to start, I am scared.

 

Again I like what Manziel brings to the table but he is unpolished in the mental side of the game. That is why I think he is a risk.

 

Combined with the fact he doesn't have a cannon for an arm or size to make up for deficiencies

 

What happens when teams force him to throw in the pocket??? What happens when he gets hurt and his legs become a non factor???? 

He has 1 and 2 and I think with good coaching form Fisch he can be one of the top playmakers in the league.  Here is a good breakdown on JFF for the NFL draft

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/27...75517.html

 

He uses that quickness and elusiveness to keep plays alive on passing downs and is excellent at finding an open receiver and throwing with accuracy on the run. When Manziel is able to stay in the pocket, he has an excellent feel for pass rushers and does a very good job stepping up before his throws. He has a very compact, quick release and when he makes a decision, the ball is out of his hand almost instantly. While in the pocket, Manziel is calm and poised and shows he can go through a progression. He demonstrates the ability to look off a receiver and then come back to him and is also good at finding open secondary receivers. The one thing I really like about Manziel is his accuracy and ball placement. He has a number of completions where he threads the needle and can get the ball into a tight spot. For the most part, Manziel’s decision making is very good and he rarely forces a ball.
 

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He has 1 and 2 and I think with good coaching form Fisch he can be one of the top playmakers in the league.  Here is a good breakdown on JFF for the NFL draft

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/27...75517.html

1. This is the problem of spread offenses, you really can't tell how accurate a qb is for the most part because the system is designed to break routes open and had the qb throw to wide open guys, that is one.

 

2. The most progressions I have seen Manziel do in Sumlin's system is the occasional "look off." That is designed. They also will run two routes and Manziel/Keenum (I saw it at Houston too) are told to pick high or low, where ever the safety/linebacker bites on you through the other route.

 

"For the most part, Manziel’s decision making is very good and he rarely forces a ball."

 

That is utter hogwash, completions don't necessarily mean good decisions. Mike Evans has bailed him out more of his fair share of times. Hence why Sumlin was wondering why Mike Evans wasn't getting the Heisman attention he rightfully deserved.

3. Manziel has the arm strength but there is a difference between throwing in a pro style system and in a spread, a really big difference.

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1. This is the problem of spread offenses, you really can't tell how accurate a qb is for the most part because the system is designed to break routes open and had the qb throw to wide open guys, that is one.

 

2. The most progressions I have seen Manziel do in Sumlin's system is the occasional "look off." That is designed. They also will run two routes and Manziel/Keenum (I saw it at Houston too) are told to pick high or low, where ever the safety/linebacker bites on you through the other route.

 

"For the most part, Manziel’s decision making is very good and he rarely forces a ball."

 

That is utter hogwash, completions don't necessarily mean good decisions. Mike Evans has bailed him out more of his fair share of times. Hence why Sumlin was wondering why Mike Evans wasn't getting the Heisman attention he rightfully deserved.

3. Manziel has the arm strength but there is a difference between throwing in a pro style system and in a spread, a really big difference.

Most of the time Manziel was able to make plays with his feet to by time for Evans because he wasn't the best at getting separation at times and the WR's were not open.  Manziel could scamble around and give him time to get open.  Sometimes, still when nobody was open he would throw the ball up on a jump ball for Evans because he knew he had the hight advantage and could bring it down a lot of the times and he wanted to give his receiver a chance to make the play.

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Most of the time Manziel was able to make plays with his feet to by time for Evans because he wasn't the best at getting separation at times and the WR's were not open.  Manziel could scamble around and give him time to get open.  Sometimes, still when nobody was open he would throw the ball up on a jump ball for Evans because he knew he had the hight advantage and could bring it down a lot of the times and he wanted to give his receiver a chance to make the play.

Manziel also missed a lot reads, hence why receivers don't look open

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Also why he had to throw it up to Mike Evans

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It's really going to come down to how he interviews.  Manziel has enough arm strength and of course has his scrambling, but is he going to watch game tape like Teddy does?  Is he going to be 100% prepared for each game?  Manziel is bailed out by his athleticism and by having possibly 3 top five OTs and one top WR.  He could get by in college.  The Aggies probably should have been at least two BCS games even playing in the SEC, if not the championship.  Place Teddy on the Aggies and they probably would have won two BCS championships

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It's really going to come down to how he interviews.  Manziel has enough arm strength and of course has his scrambling, but is he going to watch game tape like Teddy does?  Is he going to be 100% prepared for each game?  Manziel is bailed out by his athleticism and by having possibly 3 top five OTs and one top WR.  He could get by in college.  The Aggies probably should have been at least two BCS games even playing in the SEC, if not the championship.  Place Teddy on the Aggies and they probably would have won two BCS championships

What.....do you think he is some kind of bum or something? He will do whatever it takes for his team to succeed. He is a total team player. The more I watch Wilson.....I see Manziel. But I think Manziel can be better. Unfortunately, I have the feeling that he doesn't fall to #3.

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What.....do you think he is some kind of bum or something? He will do whatever it takes for his team to succeed. He is a total team player. The more I watch Wilson.....I see Manziel. But I think Manziel can be better. Unfortunately, I have the feeling that he doesn't fall to #3.

Wilson was much better coming out of school than Manziel

 

There is really no comparison besides height and Manziel has faster wheels

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Wilson was much better coming out of school than Manziel

 

There is really no comparison besides height and Manziel has faster wheels

Highly debateable.

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Highly debateable.

 

Only a simpleton would compare Manziel and Wilson. They are short, and they are athletic. That's it. Heck, they use their athleticism completely differently too so that doesn't really even work. Wilson's game is so full of nuance and controlled aggression. Manziel is hair on fire, risk first (throwing and running), and think later. 

 

As the great Greg Cosell said, Manziel could work out but it will require a great leap of faith...because his skill set goes against the grain of everything that historically works in the NFL. Too risky for my taste (and I think Dave's too).

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Highly debateable.

 

 

Cept not. One was known for his football IQ and insane maturity and ability to break down defenses in the pocket and use his legs as a last resort while mentally picking teams apart.

 

The other is known for ebing a rash immature gunslinger who runs when he doesnt have to and relies on improv to make plays. WHo has the arm but questionable mental ability as he normally ends up breaking the pocket and moving around till someone is open.

 

3rd and 5 defense shows right side blitz in a 4-3 cover 3 look like what seattle uses:

 

Manziel: Runs the exact play the defense has anticipated despite them showing blitz, gets pressured due to bad reading of the blitz but not really caring (hey i have the athletics to still win right?) and bails rolling right (and cutting off one half of the field) from the pocket getting grabbed by a defender and nearly sacked before lobbing a ball to a tightly covered TE for a 50/50 chance of a INT in which the TE either bails him out or watches as the defender takes it to the house.

 

Wilson: Sees the S and OLB are pressing in from the edge and approaches his center to point out the blitzers and who needs to be picked up. The D adjusts to this and tries to disguise but its too late. Ball is snapped while the D is in mid shift and Wilson drops back making his read while doing so scanning left to right or vice versa. The ball is out to WR in the spot the blitz voided before the blitz fully arrives and even so its picked up due to the pre snap reads and communication from Wilson. If not thats gravy Wilson calmly sidesteps the first defender and steps up in the pocket past the blitzing OLB before attacking the deep sideline he already knew their defensive play left open before the snap.

 

Wilson>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Manziel

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Ya mean the great Greg Cosell that predicted a Denver victory in the Super Bowl a couple of days ago. Look, nobody knows how the kid will turn out. Not, me, you, or the scouts. But I will say this. He has the "IT" factor. He has improved this season as a pocket passer. In 2 fewer games, he broke Cam Newton's single season SEC total yardage record. He has a high football IQ.....has good velocity and accuracy on his throws. He knows how to extend the play with his mobility. Not to run.....but to pass. That's where he reminds me of Wilson. He has been great against SEC competition. He may be able to be great against NFL competition. Time will tell. When you go up against greatness, that's when greatness comes out. You won't see the risk taker that you saw at A&M. He took more risks because that defense couldn't stop anybody. He has such a great desire to win that he put himself in dangerous situations he can't or won't against NFL talent. He is so much smarter than people give him credit for. I seriously think that he will, at least, become an impact player. Maybe more. Stay tuned. The future looks bright. Go Jags.

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Ya mean the great Greg Cosell that predicted a Denver victory in the Super Bowl a couple of days ago. Look, nobody knows how the kid will turn out. Not, me, you, or the scouts. But I will say this. He has the "IT" factor. He has improved this season as a pocket passer. In 2 fewer games, he broke Cam Newton's single season SEC total yardage record. He has a high football IQ.....has good velocity and accuracy on his throws. He knows how to extend the play with his mobility. Not to run.....but to pass. That's where he reminds me of Wilson. He has been great against SEC competition. He may be able to be great against NFL competition. Time will tell. When you go up against greatness, that's when greatness comes out. You won't see the risk taker that you saw at A&M. He took more risks because that defense couldn't stop anybody. He has such a great desire to win that he put himself in dangerous situations he can't or won't against NFL talent. He is so much smarter than people give him credit for. I seriously think that he will, at least, become an impact player. Maybe more. Stay tuned. The future looks bright. Go Jags.

The tape shows otherwise lol

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The tape shows otherwise lol

You have your right to your wrong opinion

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