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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...eter-king/

I agree.
Hell, at this point... trade him to Houston... I don't care.

Just get the picks (and players) we need to keep building around guys that are here and want to be.
More OL help.... Tight Ends... LBers...

Houston has no picks to give, unless we want something in 2023.

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And he likely won't.

Damn you jumping off the bandwagon that quick?

One bad game for a 6th round rookie (a couple of the bad throws were actually bad routes)

par for the course with knee jerk reactions from this board though.

No, I am just a realist and knew once teams got tape on him he would be a different QB. I am not dogging the guy and saying he won't be good one day but our starting QB will be Foles when he is healthy enough to be.

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I agree.
Hell, at this point... trade him to Houston... I don't care.

Just get the picks (and players) we need to keep building around guys that are here and want to be.
More OL help.... Tight Ends... LBers...

Houston has no picks to give, unless we want something in 2023.

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Damn you jumping off the bandwagon that quick?

One bad game for a 6th round rookie (a couple of the bad throws were actually bad routes)

par for the course with knee jerk reactions from this board though.

No, I am just a realist and knew once teams got tape on him he would be a different QB. I am not dogging the guy and saying he won't be good one day but our starting QB will be Foles when he is healthy enough to be.

Perhaps Foles does take the reigns (if Minshew wins the next two it'll be a tough decision post bye week for coaches though)... and I was being facetious about Houston, just saying I don't care where he goes

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I agree.
Hell, at this point... trade him to Houston... I don't care.

Just get the picks (and players) we need to keep building around guys that are here and want to be.
More OL help.... Tight Ends... LBers...

Houston has no picks to give, unless we want something in 2023.

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Damn you jumping off the bandwagon that quick?

One bad game for a 6th round rookie (a couple of the bad throws were actually bad routes)

par for the course with knee jerk reactions from this board though.

No, I am just a realist and knew once teams got tape on him he would be a different QB. I am not dogging the guy and saying he won't be good one day but our starting QB will be Foles when he is healthy enough to be.

They got out coached and out played overall by two very, very good and well rounded football teams from the NFC. Carolina and New Orleans could very well be competing in the NFC Championship game for a Superbowl appearance when it's all said and done. The fact that they only lost by one score is impressive. I know a lot of us don't believe in moral victories but realistically I didn't expect this team to win these last two games. 

I am not going to panic until they start struggling against teams like the Jets and Bengals. If they [BLEEP] the bed over the next two weeks and Minshew is unable to recapture that magic we saw at home against the tacks and on the road in Denver it'll be time to think about getting Foles back in the line up as soon as he's healed up. 

But if he gets them up to 4 - 4 and they go up 5 - 4 by beating the tinhorns over in London it'll set the stage for a good divisional game against the clots after they bye week. I sound like a broken record on here. But this team is the 1996 team IMHO. Losing close games. Winning close games. Small margins of error that can be cleaned up by fixing those miscues on offense and defense and cutting back on those penalties. 

They're just scratching the surface. We'll see.

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Houston has no picks to give, unless we want something in 2023.

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No, I am just a realist and knew once teams got tape on him he would be a different QB. I am not dogging the guy and saying he won't be good one day but our starting QB will be Foles when he is healthy enough to be.

Perhaps Foles does take the reigns (if Minshew wins the next two it'll be a tough decision post bye week for coaches though)... and I was being facetious about Houston, just saying I don't care where he goes

IMO, even if Minshew looks like Tom Brady in his prime the next 2 games, Foles still gets the nod when he comes back. It's what you paid him for.

If the Jaguars were in the business of yanking people from positions they were paid huge sums of money to do, Myles Jack would be selling oranges under an overpass.

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Houston has no picks to give, unless we want something in 2023.

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No, I am just a realist and knew once teams got tape on him he would be a different QB. I am not dogging the guy and saying he won't be good one day but our starting QB will be Foles when he is healthy enough to be.

They got out coached and out played overall by two very, very good and well rounded football teams from the NFC. Carolina and New Orleans could very well be competing in the NFC Championship game for a Superbowl appearance when it's all said and done. The fact that they only lost by one score is impressive. I know a lot of us don't believe in moral victories but realistically I didn't expect this team to win these last two games. 

I am not going to panic until they start struggling against teams like the Jets and Bengals. If they [BLEEP] the bed over the next two weeks and Minshew is unable to recapture that magic we saw at home against the tacks and on the road in Denver it'll be time to think about getting Foles back in the line up as soon as he's healed up. 

But if he gets them up to 4 - 4 and they go up 5 - 4 by beating the tinhorns over in London it'll set the stage for a good divisional game against the clots after they bye week. I sound like a broken record on here. But this team is the 1996 team IMHO. Losing close games. Winning close games. Small margins of error that can be cleaned up by fixing those miscues on offense and defense and cutting back on those penalties. 

They're just scratching the surface. We'll see.

The reality of the situation is that we lost 2 games in a row to backup quarterbacks, one being a rookie, and the other may as well being a rookie. Is this Minshews fault? Not completely, but yesterday mostly was. I like how you opened your post with "out coached". That happens frequently around these parts and needs to be addressed. I don't think I have ever seen all 3 units play well at the same time under Doug Marrone.

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The reality of the situation is that we lost 2 games in a row to backup quarterbacks, one being a rookie, and the other may as well being a rookie. Is this Minshews fault? Not completely, but yesterday mostly was. I like how you opened your post with "out coached". That happens frequently around these parts and needs to be addressed. I don't think I have ever seen all 3 units play well at the same time under Doug Marrone.

If the defense had played a disciplined game, we could have beaten Carolina. I expected to lose to NO. It’s not like Bridgewater is a scrub. He’s a starting level qb in this league. The Saints are a well coached and quite talented team. Even with Kamala limited Murray is a good back. So to have played as poorly on offense as we seem to have and still have it a on score game isn’t bad.




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Fix the O-Line!

Perhaps Foles does take the reigns (if Minshew wins the next two it'll be a tough decision post bye week for coaches though)... and I was being facetious about Houston, just saying I don't care where he goes

IMO, even if Minshew looks like Tom Brady in his prime the next 2 games, Foles still gets the nod when he comes back. It's what you paid him for.

If the Jaguars were in the business of yanking people from positions they were paid huge sums of money to do, Myles Jack would be selling oranges under an overpass.

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They got out coached and out played overall by two very, very good and well rounded football teams from the NFC. Carolina and New Orleans could very well be competing in the NFC Championship game for a Superbowl appearance when it's all said and done. The fact that they only lost by one score is impressive. I know a lot of us don't believe in moral victories but realistically I didn't expect this team to win these last two games. 

I am not going to panic until they start struggling against teams like the Jets and Bengals. If they [BLEEP] the bed over the next two weeks and Minshew is unable to recapture that magic we saw at home against the tacks and on the road in Denver it'll be time to think about getting Foles back in the line up as soon as he's healed up. 

But if he gets them up to 4 - 4 and they go up 5 - 4 by beating the tinhorns over in London it'll set the stage for a good divisional game against the clots after they bye week. I sound like a broken record on here. But this team is the 1996 team IMHO. Losing close games. Winning close games. Small margins of error that can be cleaned up by fixing those miscues on offense and defense and cutting back on those penalties. 

They're just scratching the surface. We'll see.

The reality of the situation is that we lost 2 games in a row to backup quarterbacks, one being a rookie, and the other may as well being a rookie. Is this Minshews fault? Not completely, but yesterday mostly was. I like how you opened your post with "out coached". That happens frequently around these parts and needs to be addressed. I don't think I have ever seen all 3 units play well at the same time under Doug Marrone.

You should stay on the political forum cause football ain't your thang

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From Peter King on FMIA:

4. I think I’m very rarely one to question players’ injuries, because we don’t know what is going on inside a player’s body. Having said that, I am going to question Jacksonville cornerback Jalen Ramsey’s injury. This smells too much like a player using everything in his arsenal to shoot his way off a team. Until this sudden back injury popped up, allegedly the cause of Ramsey missing the last three games:

Ramsey had been a Jaguar for 54 games and started them all.

In game before Ramsey reported the back injury, he played all 79 snaps against Tennessee.

In his 54 career games, he has been an ironman, playing an average of 64.8 snaps out of 66 per game.

It’s time, Jags. Make the move. Get Ramsey out now.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...eter-king/

So... let the crybaby diva win?

We've thrown away about 15 1st round draft picks.. what's one more? And I'm totally serious.

You cannot let a player win.

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IMO, even if Minshew looks like Tom Brady in his prime the next 2 games, Foles still gets the nod when he comes back. It's what you paid him for.

If the Jaguars were in the business of yanking people from positions they were paid huge sums of money to do, Myles Jack would be selling oranges under an overpass.

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The reality of the situation is that we lost 2 games in a row to backup quarterbacks, one being a rookie, and the other may as well being a rookie. Is this Minshews fault? Not completely, but yesterday mostly was. I like how you opened your post with "out coached". That happens frequently around these parts and needs to be addressed. I don't think I have ever seen all 3 units play well at the same time under Doug Marrone.

You should stay on the political forum cause football ain't your thang

Yeah, suggesting an 88 million dollar QB you brought in to be your starter won't play when he is healthy over a 6th round rookie shows football clearly ain't my thing.

Heed your own advice.

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IMO, even if Minshew looks like Tom Brady in his prime the next 2 games, Foles still gets the nod when he comes back. It's what you paid him for.

If the Jaguars were in the business of yanking people from positions they were paid huge sums of money to do, Myles Jack would be selling oranges under an overpass.

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The reality of the situation is that we lost 2 games in a row to backup quarterbacks, one being a rookie, and the other may as well being a rookie. Is this Minshews fault? Not completely, but yesterday mostly was. I like how you opened your post with "out coached". That happens frequently around these parts and needs to be addressed. I don't think I have ever seen all 3 units play well at the same time under Doug Marrone.

You should stay on the political forum cause football ain't your thang

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From Peter King on FMIA:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...eter-king/

So... let the crybaby diva win?

We've thrown away about 15 1st round draft picks.. what's one more? And I'm totally serious.

You cannot let a player win.

Sunk costs are real.  Sometimes you have to make tough choices.  This whole situation is awful and a terrible manufactured event.  It makes me not feel good about the next CBA.  I think small market teams are going to get shafted.

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Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

Perhaps Foles does take the reigns (if Minshew wins the next two it'll be a tough decision post bye week for coaches though)... and I was being facetious about Houston, just saying I don't care where he goes

IMO, even if Minshew looks like Tom Brady in his prime the next 2 games, Foles still gets the nod when he comes back. It's what you paid him for.

If the Jaguars were in the business of yanking people from positions they were paid huge sums of money to do, Myles Jack would be selling oranges under an overpass.

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They got out coached and out played overall by two very, very good and well rounded football teams from the NFC. Carolina and New Orleans could very well be competing in the NFC Championship game for a Superbowl appearance when it's all said and done. The fact that they only lost by one score is impressive. I know a lot of us don't believe in moral victories but realistically I didn't expect this team to win these last two games. 

I am not going to panic until they start struggling against teams like the Jets and Bengals. If they [BLEEP] the bed over the next two weeks and Minshew is unable to recapture that magic we saw at home against the tacks and on the road in Denver it'll be time to think about getting Foles back in the line up as soon as he's healed up. 

But if he gets them up to 4 - 4 and they go up 5 - 4 by beating the tinhorns over in London it'll set the stage for a good divisional game against the clots after they bye week. I sound like a broken record on here. But this team is the 1996 team IMHO. Losing close games. Winning close games. Small margins of error that can be cleaned up by fixing those miscues on offense and defense and cutting back on those penalties. 

They're just scratching the surface. We'll see.

The reality of the situation is that we lost 2 games in a row to backup quarterbacks, one being a rookie, and the other may as well being a rookie. Is this Minshews fault? Not completely, but yesterday mostly was. I like how you opened your post with "out coached". That happens frequently around these parts and needs to be addressed. I don't think I have ever seen all 3 units play well at the same time under Doug Marrone.

The reality of the situation is both of those QBs are on a 4 game win streak and are leading a 4-2 or 5-1 team. If they come out flat next week, I’ll be ready to hit the panic button then.

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You should stay on the political forum cause football ain't your thang

Yeah, suggesting an 88 million dollar QB you brought in to be your starter won't play when he is healthy over a 6th round rookie shows football clearly ain't my thing.

Heed your own advice.

Funny that I didn't see you mention this when Minshew was playing really well.....

The Seahawks paid Matt Flynn a boat load of money but when it was clear Wilson had the goods, they never looked back. Same with Prescott when Romo went down. I would assume the Jags do the same. No reason to go back to Foles if the Jags are playing well and really no reason to put him in if it's a dumpster fire.

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You should stay on the political forum cause football ain't your thang

Yeah, suggesting an 88 million dollar QB you brought in to be your starter won't play when he is healthy over a 6th round rookie shows football clearly ain't my thing.

Heed your own advice.

Nick Foles got his collarbone crushed 11 plays in due to the crappiness of this line.

Minshew has much better pocket presence and the ability to escape and evade pressure while keeping his eyes downfield.

Foles would die behind this line. He's a statue.

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Yeah, suggesting an 88 million dollar QB you brought in to be your starter won't play when he is healthy over a 6th round rookie shows football clearly ain't my thing.

Heed your own advice.

Nick Foles got his collarbone crushed 11 plays in due to the crappiness of this line.

Minshew has much better pocket presence and the ability to escape and evade pressure while keeping his eyes downfield.

Foles would die behind this line. He's a statue.

There's also the thing of bringing a guy back too soon from a broken collarbone.
Romo/Rodgers both come to mind.
Romo came back and immediately broke it again
Rodgers came back and looked like poo and then got shut down by the team, iirc.

Foles best chance to start again is next season, imo.

And if Minshew is average to good across the rest of this season the team just has to make a business decision and eat the costs.
If Minshew continues to look like a rookie, no reason not to bring Foles back next year and let Minshew develop.

Also, per the OL, I think our two issues are Norwell not playing anywhere near his contract and Taylor playing like a rookie.
The other spots are good I think. Taylor (should) get better as the season goes (and next) and Norwell (should) be gone after this season, maybe benched now.

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Yeah, suggesting an 88 million dollar QB you brought in to be your starter won't play when he is healthy over a 6th round rookie shows football clearly ain't my thing.

Heed your own advice.

Funny that I didn't see you mention this when Minshew was playing really well.....

The Seahawks paid Matt Flynn a boat load of money but when it was clear Wilson had the goods, they never looked back. Same with Prescott when Romo went down. I would assume the Jags do the same. No reason to go back to Foles if the Jags are playing well and really no reason to put him in if it's a dumpster fire.

Nick Foles got his collarbone crushed 11 plays in due to the crappiness of this line.

Minshew has much better pocket presence and the ability to escape and evade pressure while keeping his eyes downfield.

Foles would die behind this line. He's a statue.

There's also the thing of bringing a guy back too soon from a broken collarbone.
Romo/Rodgers both come to mind.
Romo came back and immediately broke it again
Rodgers came back and looked like poo and then got shut down by the team, iirc.

Foles best chance to start again is next season, imo.

And if Minshew is average to good across the rest of this season the team just has to make a business decision and eat the costs.
If Minshew continues to look like a rookie, no reason not to bring Foles back next year and let Minshew develop.

Also, per the OL, I think our two issues are Norwell not playing anywhere near his contract and Taylor playing like a rookie.
The other spots are good I think. Taylor (should) get better as the season goes (and next) and Norwell (should) be gone after this season, maybe benched now.

Agreed with all of the above. Minshew was also playing with a knee brace last week in Carolina thanks to the ineffectiveness along the offensive line as well this year. Should just let this season play out as is. Look to build around what they have next year. Get this Jalen Ramsey situation sorted out one way or another as well. 

But no need to rush Foles back into the line-up at this point.

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I agree.
Hell, at this point... trade him to Houston... I don't care.

Just get the picks (and players) we need to keep building around guys that are here and want to be.
More OL help.... Tight Ends... LBers...

Houston has no picks to give, unless we want something in 2023.

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Damn you jumping off the bandwagon that quick?

One bad game for a 6th round rookie (a couple of the bad throws were actually bad routes)

par for the course with knee jerk reactions from this board though.

No, I am just a realist and knew once teams got tape on him he would be a different QB. I am not dogging the guy and saying he won't be good one day but our starting QB will be Foles when he is healthy enough to be.

Once teams got tape on him? You mean like the Panthers watching the tape? Oh or how about when the Broncos watched tape?

For being a realist, you sure aren't living in reality.

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Houston has no picks to give, unless we want something in 2023.

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No, I am just a realist and knew once teams got tape on him he would be a different QB. I am not dogging the guy and saying he won't be good one day but our starting QB will be Foles when he is healthy enough to be.

Once teams got tape on him? You mean like the Panthers watching the tape? Oh or how about when the Broncos watched tape?

For being a realist, you sure aren't living in reality.

The reality is 1) We Need Josh Oliver to be great and to come play. 2) Our WRs need to do better on one-on-one situations in getting separation

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Once teams got tape on him? You mean like the Panthers watching the tape? Oh or how about when the Broncos watched tape?

For being a realist, you sure aren't living in reality.

The reality is 1) We Need Josh Oliver to be great and to come play. 2) Our WRs need to do better on one-on-one situations in getting separation

The reality is that the Jags played a bad game against a SB contender. The Saints have arguably the best roster in the entire NFL.

I also am not sure what people are expecting out of Oliver. Rookie TEs rarely make an impact let alone a 3rd round rookie TE.

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The reality is 1) We Need Josh Oliver to be great and to come play. 2) Our WRs need to do better on one-on-one situations in getting separation

The reality is that the Jags played a bad game against a SB contender. The Saints have arguably the best roster in the entire NFL.

I also am not sure what people are expecting out of Oliver. Rookie TEs rarely make an impact let alone a 3rd round rookie TE.

I'm not expecting anything from him.

Just saying that's what they need.

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Not sure if this has been posted yet but it's a tweet from Mortensen yesterday on the situation:

https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/11...3415918592

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Not sure if this has been posted yet but it's a tweet from Mortensen yesterday on the situation:

https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/11...3415918592

Yeah. So.. basically he's been so full of [BLEEP] his eyes are brown. We all knew that. He needs to [BLEEP] go.

What do all of his sycophants on here have to say now in his defense?

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Not sure if this has been posted yet but it's a tweet from Mortensen yesterday on the situation:

https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/11...3415918592

If asked by media about Jalen I would recommend Marrone or whomever from the team to publicly state that there is no medical evidence of an injury and that from this point forward Jalen will be deemed as healthy and cleared to play and practice full. If he continues to withhold his contractual services they will proceed with all punishable means available to them as an organization.

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