Short term:
backdoor into a wildcard spot is conceivable

Long Term:
Some good young players to build on talent-wise:
Allen, Ngakoue, Minshew, Chark, Conley, Westbrook, J Taylor, Richardson, maybe Harrison...

Then consider the quality performances coming from players much of this board had foolishly written off:
Smoot, Taven Bryan, DJ Chark, Will Richardson, Tre Herndon, Jarrod Wilson

They'll need to use those extra picks wisely, but this team could reload nicely and provide strong competition for this division for several years IMO.

Our staff is starting to look pretty good with player development.

Impossible. 

I've been told they are the worst by dozens of posters. 

...and wolfie's Dad.

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Our staff is starting to look pretty good with player development.

We don't have to fire everybody?

Just wait until we lose another game.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

I agree we should finish around .500 with the schedule we have. I think the Colts are going to wrap up the division fairly easily, but I think the Texans are about to fall off the map with a very difficult schedule combined with this brutal injury stretch they've had. None of the rest of the AFC is all that imposing, we could sneak into the playoffs.

2 weeks ago you told people to not kid their self and we were done.  Looks like you might have kid your own self? Boy how quick things change with you

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We don't have to fire everybody?

Just wait until we lose another game.

...so next preseason?

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https://twitter.com/JuMosq/status/118888...40128?s=19


4 1st round picks over the next two years? Let's gooooooooo!

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I agree we should finish around .500 with the schedule we have. I think the Colts are going to wrap up the division fairly easily, but I think the Texans are about to fall off the map with a very difficult schedule combined with this brutal injury stretch they've had. None of the rest of the AFC is all that imposing, we could sneak into the playoffs.

I said playoffs or bust when the year started after wasting money on Foles.  With Minshew leading the charge i'm torn a bit.  THEY, the FO, did draft him so its kind of cancels the stupid decision out since they did draft an actual QB for the future.  I didnt expect him to be anything close to what he is, being a 6th rd pick but idk.    I'm still wanting to get rid of them but then they have this shiny new diamond shining every Sunday to sell to me for an extension.

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

I agree we should finish around .500 with the schedule we have. I think the Colts are going to wrap up the division fairly easily, but I think the Texans are about to fall off the map with a very difficult schedule combined with this brutal injury stretch they've had. None of the rest of the AFC is all that imposing, we could sneak into the playoffs.

I said playoffs or bust when the year started after wasting money on Foles.  With Minshew leading the charge i'm torn a bit.  THEY, the FO, did draft him so its kind of cancels the stupid decision out since they did draft an actual QB for the future.  I didnt expect him to be anything close to what he is, being a 6th rd pick but idk.    I'm still wanting to get rid of them but then they have this shiny new diamond shining every Sunday to sell to me for an extension.

Regarding the part in bold, what was the alternative?

You want to "get rid of the front office" yet you admit that they have made some pretty good decisions.  Which is it?  This isn't an "instant gratification" sport.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

I agree we should finish around .500 with the schedule we have. I think the Colts are going to wrap up the division fairly easily, but I think the Texans are about to fall off the map with a very difficult schedule combined with this brutal injury stretch they've had. None of the rest of the AFC is all that imposing, we could sneak into the playoffs.

2 weeks ago you told people to not kid their self and we were done.  Looks like you might have kid your own self? Boy how quick things change with you

Nope, nothing has changed...especially not your reading comprehension. I said we were bad but our schedule was so easy it might not matter, and that I hope it doesn't lull Shad into thinking that we don't need to clean house.

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If we don't make the playoffs, I would at least like to see the Jags not eliminated until the last two weeks. That way we can get to see them play hard until week 15 or so and guys who make the decisions can better evaluate what pieces are missing

If we do pretty bad in this upcoming AFC South stretch, which is crucial for the division and playoffs, I have a feeling the losses will just pile up towards the end of the season

We have to go 2-1 in the next three games

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I said playoffs or bust when the year started after wasting money on Foles.  With Minshew leading the charge i'm torn a bit.  THEY, the FO, did draft him so its kind of cancels the stupid decision out since they did draft an actual QB for the future.  I didnt expect him to be anything close to what he is, being a 6th rd pick but idk.    I'm still wanting to get rid of them but then they have this shiny new diamond shining every Sunday to sell to me for an extension.

Regarding the part in bold, what was the alternative?

You want to "get rid of the front office" yet you admit that they have made some pretty good decisions.  Which is it?  This isn't an "instant gratification" sport.

Simple really and i already said it.  Draft a QB and i would've kept blake on the roster.  We'd have saved the 88 and gardner could've still been here to replace him after we let him go.  Plus we would have more money to sign the current talent, etc.  I really don't want to get to deep into since im enjoying this Minshew Mania rn.  Also, i know its not instant gratification and luckily some players have panned out to at least be decent.  Not top tier talent, but enough to make a splash once in a blue.   We would have a hell of a roster if we wouldn't fail so much in the 1st and 2nd rds, but i know there is some stat guys that'll say most teams only find 1 or 2 decent players every year or something like that.

I'm torn because.....

The very bad is not re-signing rising stars after finding them or having them fall to them via the draft and negating gaping holes when talent is there for the picking in early rounds.  It's like for every dumb decision they make, luck slaps them in the face and they pick a decent player later on or find a diamond in the rough somehow.

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

Regarding the part in bold, what was the alternative?

You want to "get rid of the front office" yet you admit that they have made some pretty good decisions.  Which is it?  This isn't an "instant gratification" sport.

Simple really and i already said it.  Draft a QB and i would've kept blake on the roster.  We'd have saved the 88 and gardner could've still been here to replace him after we let him go.  Plus we would have more money to sign the current talent, etc.  I really don't want to get to deep into since im enjoying this Minshew Mania rn.  Also, i know its not instant gratification and luckily some players have panned out to at least be decent.  Not top tier talent, but enough to make a splash once in a blue.   We would have a hell of a roster if we wouldn't fail so much in the 1st and 2nd rds, but i know there is some stat guys that'll say most teams only find 1 or 2 decent players every year or something like that.

I'm torn because.....

The very bad is not re-signing rising stars after finding them or having them fall to them via the draft and negating gaping holes when talent is there for the picking in early rounds.  It's like for every dumb decision they make, luck slaps them in the face and they pick a decent player later on or find a diamond in the rough somehow.

Ahhh the classic 'every move that turns out bad shows the FO is dumb, every move that turns out good shows the FO is lucky'.

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Simple really and i already said it.  Draft a QB and i would've kept blake on the roster.  We'd have saved the 88 and gardner could've still been here to replace him after we let him go.  Plus we would have more money to sign the current talent, etc.  I really don't want to get to deep into since im enjoying this Minshew Mania rn.  Also, i know its not instant gratification and luckily some players have panned out to at least be decent.  Not top tier talent, but enough to make a splash once in a blue.   We would have a hell of a roster if we wouldn't fail so much in the 1st and 2nd rds, but i know there is some stat guys that'll say most teams only find 1 or 2 decent players every year or something like that.

I'm torn because.....

The very bad is not re-signing rising stars after finding them or having them fall to them via the draft and negating gaping holes when talent is there for the picking in early rounds.  It's like for every dumb decision they make, luck slaps them in the face and they pick a decent player later on or find a diamond in the rough somehow.

Ahhh the classic 'every move that turns out bad shows the FO is dumb, every move that turns out good shows the FO is lucky'.

The bad outweighs the good by a decent margin but i guess picking a qb late in the past 2 drafts as a project shows their in depth scouting dept.  Lee and the Mcgough guy didnt work, yet they hit on minshew and he actually was a glimpse of hope.  I guess at least they went 1 for 3 and it wasn't luck at all.  Kudos to the scouting dept for outsmarting every other team in the draft and saving the best pick for last. They got to get awesome picks early and still get the QB they knew would shine.

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Season Tix, Section 409

2023 and still counting.....SB will finally be ours soon enough.
TLaw aka 'the prince that was promised' supporter.

Regarding the part in bold, what was the alternative?

You want to "get rid of the front office" yet you admit that they have made some pretty good decisions.  Which is it?  This isn't an "instant gratification" sport.

Simple really and i already said it.  Draft a QB and i would've kept blake on the roster.  We'd have saved the 88 and gardner could've still been here to replace him after we let him go.  Plus we would have more money to sign the current talent, etc.  I really don't want to get to deep into since im enjoying this Minshew Mania rn.  Also, i know its not instant gratification and luckily some players have panned out to at least be decent.  Not top tier talent, but enough to make a splash once in a blue.   We would have a hell of a roster if we wouldn't fail so much in the 1st and 2nd rds, but i know there is some stat guys that'll say most teams only find 1 or 2 decent players every year or something like that.

I'm torn because.....

The very bad is not re-signing rising stars after finding them or having them fall to them via the draft and negating gaping holes when talent is there for the picking in early rounds.  It's like for every dumb decision they make, luck slaps them in the face and they pick a decent player later on or find a diamond in the rough somehow.

Problem with that thinking is, if we had drafted a QB early instead of signing Foles, we absolutely would not have taken a QB late (Minshew) in the draft to be a backup.  Minshew would not be here.

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Regarding the part in bold, what was the alternative?

You want to "get rid of the front office" yet you admit that they have made some pretty good decisions.  Which is it?  This isn't an "instant gratification" sport.

Simple really and i already said it.  Draft a QB and i would've kept blake on the roster.  We'd have saved the 88 and gardner could've still been here to replace him after we let him go.  Plus we would have more money to sign the current talent, etc.  I really don't want to get to deep into since im enjoying this Minshew Mania rn.  Also, i know its not instant gratification and luckily some players have panned out to at least be decent.  Not top tier talent, but enough to make a splash once in a blue.   We would have a hell of a roster if we wouldn't fail so much in the 1st and 2nd rds, but i know there is some stat guys that'll say most teams only find 1 or 2 decent players every year or something like that.

I'm torn because.....

The very bad is not re-signing rising stars after finding them or having them fall to them via the draft and negating gaping holes when talent is there for the picking in early rounds.  It's like for every dumb decision they make, luck slaps them in the face and they pick a decent player later on or find a diamond in the rough somehow.

The problem is if you draft a QB to eventually take over as the starter it usually comes in the early rounds.  It's unlikely that they would have drafted Gardner as well.  I could be wrong but I don't think teams usually draft a starter and a backup in the same draft.

The other problem is the team (as well as many fans) felt that the poor season last year was at least partially because of Bortles, hence getting rid of him.  You don't keep a player at the most important position on the roster if he's holding the team back.  A clear known upgrade was needed, hence the signing of Foles.

When Foles got injured many (including myself) thought that we were doomed.  Go back and look at the threads prior to the start of the season.  Many didn't think that Minshew should have even been the backup.  Where are we now and who made those decisions?

Still want to fire the FO and the coaching staff?

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

I typed up the last 3 offseasons since TC took control to help me remember the majority of the moves. I hear that the FO is garbage, but I am mostly happy with the moves that the current regime is making. That 2018 draft class is looking especially nice in hindsight. The 2018 FA/ pro personnel moves looks really bad in retrospect. I tend to think you either blow the whole thing up or let it all ride another year. Whatever happens I don’t want to see any one of Tom/ Dave / Doug cut with the rest carrying forward.

2017 FA of note:
Campbell, Bouye, Church, Branden Albert (trade), McCray

2017 Draft Early/ Noteworthy:
Fournette, Cam Robinson, Smoot, Westbrook, Cole (UFA),

Other/ Misc:
Lambo signed midseason, Bortles 5th year option, Telvin extended, Linder extended, trade for Dareus

2018 FA of note:
Austin Sefarian Jenkins, Andrew Norwell, DJ Hayden, Moncrief, Lee, let Allen Robinson and Colvin walk

2018 Draft Early/ Noteworthy:
Taven Bryan, DJ Chark, Ronnie Harrison, Will Richardson, Leon Jacobs, Logan Cooke, Tre Herndon (UFA)

Other/ Misc.
Fowler traded to Rams, Bortles extended, trade for Hyde, cut Church

2019 FA:
Foles, Swain, Conley, resign Cann, Ogbuehi, Alfred Blue, cut Bortles, cut Malik Jackson, cut Gipson, cut Parnell

2019 Draft Early/ Noteworthy:
The good Josh Allen, Taylor, Josh Oliver, Williams, Armstead, Minshew, Wingard (UFA)

Other/ Misc:
Ramsey trade/ brief circus

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Whats good to see if the useage of majority of our draft picks unlike previous years.

Pretty much all of 2017,2018,2019 have inpacts.

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Simple really and i already said it.  Draft a QB and i would've kept blake on the roster.  We'd have saved the 88 and gardner could've still been here to replace him after we let him go.  Plus we would have more money to sign the current talent, etc.  I really don't want to get to deep into since im enjoying this Minshew Mania rn.  Also, i know its not instant gratification and luckily some players have panned out to at least be decent.  Not top tier talent, but enough to make a splash once in a blue.   We would have a hell of a roster if we wouldn't fail so much in the 1st and 2nd rds, but i know there is some stat guys that'll say most teams only find 1 or 2 decent players every year or something like that.

I'm torn because.....

The very bad is not re-signing rising stars after finding them or having them fall to them via the draft and negating gaping holes when talent is there for the picking in early rounds.  It's like for every dumb decision they make, luck slaps them in the face and they pick a decent player later on or find a diamond in the rough somehow.

Problem with that thinking is, if we had drafted a QB early instead of signing Foles, we absolutely would not have taken a QB late (Minshew) in the draft to be a backup.  Minshew would not be here.

@Well, a GOOD front office wouldn't...@

JFS95 is also blinded by the fact that the entire team had quit on Blake, there was no way they were rolling with him another season. It just wasn't in the cards. At. All.

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I typed up the last 3 offseasons since TC took control to help me remember the majority of the moves.  I hear that the FO is garbage, but I am mostly happy with the moves that the current regime is making.  That 2018 draft class is looking especially nice in hindsight.  The 2018 FA/ pro personnel moves looks really bad in retrospect.  I tend to think you either blow the whole thing up or let it all ride another year.  Whatever happens I don’t want to see any one of Tom/ Dave / Doug cut with the rest carrying forward.

2017 FA of note:
Campbell, Bouye, Church, Branden Albert (trade), McCray

2017 Draft Early/ Noteworthy:
Fournette, Cam Robinson, Smoot, Westbrook, Cole (UFA),

Other/ Misc:
Lambo signed midseason, Bortles 5th year option, Telvin extended, Linder extended, trade for Dareus

2018 FA of note:
Austin Sefarian Jenkins, Andrew Norwell, DJ Hayden, Moncrief, Lee, let Allen Robinson and Colvin walk

2018 Draft Early/ Noteworthy:
Taven Bryan, DJ Chark, Ronnie Harrison, Will Richardson, Leon Jacobs, Logan Cooke, Tre Herndon (UFA)

Other/ Misc.
Fowler traded to Rams, Bortles extended, trade for Hyde, cut Church

2019 FA:
Foles, Swain, Conley, resign Cann, Ogbuehi, Alfred Blue, cut Bortles, cut Malik Jackson, cut Gipson, cut Parnell

2019 Draft Early/ Noteworthy:
The good Josh Allen, Taylor, Josh Oliver, Williams, Armstead, Minshew, Wingard (UFA)

Other/ Misc:
Ramsey trade/ brief circus

I would absolutely love to be able to find out the decision making process behind each move we've made since Coughlin has been here. Which ones are Dave's guys and which ones are Tom's guys... It's so hard to point fingers, or give credit, when you don't know exactly who to point them at!

For some vague reason I feel like Dave has been a lot more responsible for the good moves and Tom responsible for the bad ones over the last few years, but that could be utter gibberish.

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I typed up the last 3 offseasons since TC took control to help me remember the majority of the moves.  I hear that the FO is garbage, but I am mostly happy with the moves that the current regime is making.  That 2018 draft class is looking especially nice in hindsight.  The 2018 FA/ pro personnel moves looks really bad in retrospect.  I tend to think you either blow the whole thing up or let it all ride another year.  Whatever happens I don’t want to see any one of Tom/ Dave / Doug cut with the rest carrying forward.

2017 FA of note:
Campbell, Bouye, Church, Branden Albert (trade), McCray

2017 Draft Early/ Noteworthy:
Fournette, Cam Robinson, Smoot, Westbrook, Cole (UFA),

Other/ Misc:
Lambo signed midseason, Bortles 5th year option, Telvin extended, Linder extended, trade for Dareus

2018 FA of note:
Austin Sefarian Jenkins, Andrew Norwell, DJ Hayden, Moncrief, Lee, let Allen Robinson and Colvin walk

2018 Draft Early/ Noteworthy:
Taven Bryan, DJ Chark, Ronnie Harrison, Will Richardson, Leon Jacobs, Logan Cooke, Tre Herndon (UFA)

Other/ Misc.
Fowler traded to Rams, Bortles extended, trade for Hyde, cut Church

2019 FA:
Foles, Swain, Conley, resign Cann, Ogbuehi, Alfred Blue, cut Bortles, cut Malik Jackson, cut Gipson, cut Parnell

2019 Draft Early/ Noteworthy:
The good Josh Allen, Taylor, Josh Oliver, Williams, Armstead, Minshew, Wingard (UFA)

Other/ Misc:
Ramsey trade/ brief circus

MOST of the misses of the TC controlled FO seemingly have been FA related, whether signing guys or resigning guys (or not)
Drafts have been very good or solid at least.

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Problem with that thinking is, if we had drafted a QB early instead of signing Foles, we absolutely would not have taken a QB late (Minshew) in the draft to be a backup.  Minshew would not be here.

@Well, a GOOD front office wouldn't...@

JFS95 is also blinded by the fact that the entire team had quit on Blake, there was no way they were rolling with him another season. It just wasn't in the cards. At. All.

Well, the argument there is that we had already paid the guy, so why not make him at least be the backup?  Makes sense in theory, but sometimes you need to get the smell of failure out of the building.  Again, if we'd kept Blake to be the backup and drafted a QB high, there's no Minshew in Jax.

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