How do you figure that exactly?  The Seahawks D and special teams alone outscored the Broncos.  If the offense contributes zero points, they still win that game. 

 

I figure that because if you put Henne on that team, I don't believe they'd win the Superbowl. You might call Wilson a game manager but through out the entire season he made critical plays when it mattered. He is also very good holding on to the ball and minimizing mistakes. 

 

Basically that defense as good as they are needs a player like Wilson, and Wilson needs that defense. Neither can win the game by themselves despite what you think. 

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I figure that because if you put Henne on that team, I don't believe they'd win the Superbowl. You might call Wilson a game manager but through out the entire season he made critical plays when it mattered. He is also very good holding on to the ball and minimizing mistakes. 

 

But if Henne hands off 3 times and walks to the sideline, the Seahawks still outscore the Broncos.  Teams with the most points at the end of the game are typically declared the winner, right?

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But if Henne hands off 3 times and walks to the sideline, the Seahawks still outscore the Broncos.  Teams with the most points at the end of the game are typically declared the winner, right?

 

You're assuming the game will turn out the same. I say you are wrong. I say Henne will [BLEEP] it up and make it more the game more competitive than the game should actually be. There is a reason why everyone was saying last year the Chiefs were better than their record indicated. They clearly needed a QB, and once they got one they went to the playoffs. 

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While I agree with the thread title...you don't have to have the #1 pick to get a good QB to think that you can just draft a guy late and be just as effective is plain dumb.

 

All I am pointing out is that it is wrong to say all is lost if we don't spend our first pick of the first round on a QB.   The proof is the fact that none of the final four teams even spend a first round pick to get their QB.   Sure, Peyton Manning was first overall pick, but for the Colts, not for the Broncos.  

 

If there is a QB sitting at #3 who is worthy of the pick, then we should draft him.   But to say we HAVE to spend that pick on a QB is demonstrably wrong. 

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You're assuming the game will turn out the same. I say you are wrong. I say Henne will [BAD WORD REMOVED] it up and make it more the game more competitive than the game should actually be. There is a reason why everyone was saying last year the Chiefs were better than their record indicated. They clearly needed a QB, and once they got one they went to the playoffs. 

 

I'm not assuming it would turn out the same.  I'm actually baking in a very very different scenario.  I said the QB could hand off 3 times and walk to the sidelines.  Is that what actually happened in the game?  No?  Then I'm not saying it would be the same.

 

I am saying that the offense could have produced zero points and they still would have won.

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I'm not assuming it would turn out the same.  I'm actually baking in a very very different scenario.  I said the QB could hand off 3 times and walk to the sidelines.  Is that what actually happened in the game?  No?  Then I'm not saying it would be the same.

 

I am saying that the offense could have produced zero points and they still would have won.

 

And how does this add to the current thread argument. What are you saying we don't know already? I mean if the Broncos forfeited the Seahawks would have one. If the Broncos scored more points they would have won. So....

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Hold on now, let's not go throwing out what Wilson did though. Sure, he didn't need to score points to win but he did need to produce first downs; which he did. He did need to move the offense down the field in order to keep the Denver Offense off of the field, which he did.

 

I'm not saying that he won the game all by himself, but let's not go around thinking that he could have rolled a juggs machine out there and the turnout would have been the same.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Teams win championships. QB's do not. They are just a piece of the puzzle.

 

It's not that hard of a concept.

A very BIG piece to the puzzle

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And how does this add to the current thread argument. What are you saying we don't know already? I mean if the Broncos forfeited the Seahawks would have one. If the Broncos scored more points they would have won. So....

 

It was directly in response to your own.  Do you want me to walk you through how we got here?  It started when someone pointed out that Wilson wasn't what won that game, and that anyone could have been under center and they could have won.  To which you provided the super in depth response "Wrong".

 

If you believe this entire line is off-topic, then I guess I'd suggest you look back to where you started the derailment.

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Hold on now, let's not go throwing out what Wilson did though. Sure, he didn't need to score points to win but he did need to produce first downs; which he did. He did need to move the offense down the field in order to keep the Denver Offense off of the field, which he did.

 

I'm not saying that he won the game all by himself, but let's not go around thinking that he could have rolled a juggs machine out there and the turnout would have been the same.

 

With respect, I think Wilson is a good QB, and they are lucky to have found him.  I think he naturally contributed to their victory, because he did move their offense. 

 

But I stand by what I said.  The Seahawks defense was so dominant, I think they could have handed the ball to Lynch or Harvin every play that game and still won.  Peyton might have gotten an extra drive or three, but I don't think it would have mattered.

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With respect, I think Wilson is a good QB, and they are lucky to have found him.  I think he naturally contributed to their victory, because he did move their offense. 

 

But I stand by what I said.  The Seahawks defense was so dominant, I think they could have handed the ball to Lynch or Harvin every play that game and still won.  Peyton might have gotten an extra drive or three, but I don't think it would have mattered.

Well clearly they would have won. A pick 6 and KO return TD gives them 14. 14-8!

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With respect, I think Wilson is a good QB, and they are lucky to have found him.  I think he naturally contributed to their victory, because he did move their offense. 

 

But I stand by what I said.  The Seahawks defense was so dominant, I think they could have handed the ball to Lynch or Harvin every play that game and still won.  Peyton might have gotten an extra drive or three, but I don't think it would have mattered.

 

I get your point, but I disagree. And it really doesn't matter that much.

 

I thought Wilson looked a bit rattled early on - passes going high on him and such - but he settled down and made some nice plays. I know that I'd like to have him on my team.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Well clearly they would have won. A pick 6 and KO return TD gives them 14. 14-8!

 

Plus the safety.  And they still would have gotten a field goal on the first int (got the ball at Denver 39).  That's 19 points, even if the offense doing nothing but killing clock with runs.

 

Who thinks the Broncos score two more times with another couple of drives?

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Plus the safety.  And they still would have gotten a field goal on the first int (got the ball at Denver 39).  That's 19 points, even if the offense doing nothing but killing clock with runs.

 

Who thinks the Broncos score two more times with another couple of drives?

 

It is certainly possible.  The Broncos were moving the ball, they were just committing turnovers. 

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It is certainly possible.  The Broncos were moving the ball, they were just committing turnovers. 

 

It took the entire game to get on the board once.  As for "just committing turnovers", I think maybe Seattle had something to do with that (exception being the safety).

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It took the entire game to get on the board once.  As for "just committing turnovers", I think maybe Seattle had something to do with that (exception being the safety).

 

Of course they had something to do with that.  That doesn't mean if Denver had two more drives they would have committed two more turnovers. 

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Of course they had something to do with that.  That doesn't mean if Denver had two more drives they would have committed two more turnovers. 

 

 

They certainly didnt give the impression that with 2 more drives they would have scored either. There only score came because someone was out of position and missed a tackle. If not for that i fully think Seattle could have shut out Denver.

 

On Wilson: Put Henne back there and the score is closer period. He cannot sustain drives and be consistent like Wilson. Now of course Wilson didnt put up great numbers but he did what was needed and did it exceptionally. That doesnt mean he wouldnt be able to throw for big yards if he needed but he knew he didnt have to and played conservative and in control on sports biggest stage avoiding mistakes and handling pressure. He didnt get lost in the hype. He didnt go Henne and start making idiot passes he was in control just as much as when Brady goes 34-40 for 350 and 4 tds and thats why Wilson is special.

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I think it had less to do with Wilson and more to do with the Boom of Seattle's Defense!

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You're right.   You need a QB to win in this league.   And yet, not one of the final 4 teams used a first round draft pick to acquire their QB.  

 

Seattle- Russell Wilson- 3rd round

Denver- Peyton Manning- free agent

San Francisco- Colin Kaepernick- 2nd round

New England- Tom Brady- 6th round

 

So it is possible to get a great QB without using a first round pick on one.   The final four teams have proven it.  

Its a team sport, all the focus on Manning.. he won the MVP 5 times because he's fantastic but what people forgot is that he won this years MVP because of how great that offense was mainly due to manning... if  a team found a way to rattle manning & take him out of the equation (which is almost unheard of) than the team's offense is shut down- which is what Seattle did...


I think that superbowl let people know that in football Defense wins games, especially with a strong running game that is balanced by QB whom doesnt turnover the ball....

 

We dont need to draft Teddy at #3 or higher to be on the right track we need a guy like Clowney to rush the QB, since our pass rush has been the leagues worst for several years ....

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No matter how good our defense is, we wouldn't even be in a Super bowl with Flynn, TJax or "just a guy" as QB. It's not just about stats and what he does on the field, it's also about leadership. Wilson is a born leader and you need that from your QB if you want to win.

 

 

 

Wilson is effective in the offense they run. Has a good feel for the game and yea all he had to do to beat Denver was not turn the ball over. Either way, you still need your guy to step up and that's what Russell did. He wasn't drafted in the third round to start... he was going to wait and see but then won the job in pre-season after they had spent money on a FA QB (Flynn). You don't need a record setting QB to go all the way. But a defense like theirs as consistent and fast as they are isn't something you can just throw together with some time.

 

Agree, yet Wilson still has some records (TDs, passer rating) in first two seasons. He's not required to do that in Seattle, but I believe in a team like Dallas or Detroit he could throw for 4000 yards and 30 TDs. Of course he would have more interceptions too and probably wouldn't win a SB in his second season.

 

 

 

 

About building the team, there are different paths to success. You can select a QB and build a team around him (like Colts, Panthers,...) or you can build the team first, then add a QB like we did. Both models can work well, if you get right players in right time, work hard and get a bit of good luck (As we all know, draft is a lottery, you can get good or not so good players all over the draft board).  It's not important, when you draft a player, but who. Your GM and Bradley should select the one they are most comfortable with, whether it's a QB or not. Every good team needs a good QB, but if they don't feel there is a QB worth a  #3 pick, they should trade down (I believe, Jags will try to do that) or pick another player.

 

No matter which way you choose to build your team, I hope Jaguars are the next franchise without Lombardi trophy to win it. If would be fun to meet you in a SB in 3-4 years. It's a long way to go, but you can do it.

 

Just remember: not many people from outside of the Jaguars organization will believe in what you are doing, until you prove them wrong. Ignore what media has to say about your draft picks (apparently we had the worst draft of all teams in 2012, when we select Wilson), if you believe Caldwell and Bradley are right men for their jobs.

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