You need BOTH guys. One edge rusher is not enough. Allen and Ngakoue are on the field together frequently on third down pass sets, and will be on the field more and more as Calais ages out. 

Allen doesn't give you options to cut Ngakoue. He gives you the right number of pass rushers in addition to Ngakoue and the "days-numbered" Campbell.

The Jags aren't going to be winning any time soon regardless unless you believe in Minshew mania.  Overpaying the guy out of desperation will only hurt once they're ready to be true contenders again.  Stockpile the draft picks and rollover the cap space.

We'd all love to have him back if he wants to be here playing for what he's worth.

Every single pass rusher worth a flip gets overpayed in free agency. That's how it works. 
The ever changing market determines "what he's worth" not some line in the sand drawn by fans at an arbitrary number like 17 mil per year. 

I'd rather be the club paying Yan 3 mil more than fans want to pay him than the club short a stud pass rusher we drafted and developed. 

We already HAVE good draft capital and we have the means to pay Yan too. This is a no-brainer for me. 
Pay the man what the market bears and lay the incentives on thick. He's a guy that bets on himself.

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You need BOTH guys. One edge rusher is not enough. Allen and Ngakoue are on the field together frequently on third down pass sets, and will be on the field more and more as Calais ages out. 

Allen doesn't give you options to cut Ngakoue. He gives you the right number of pass rushers in addition to Ngakoue and the "days-numbered" Campbell.

The Jags aren't going to be winning any time soon regardless unless you believe in Minshew mania.  Overpaying the guy out of desperation will only hurt once they're ready to be true contenders again.  Stockpile the draft picks and rollover the cap space.

We'd all love to have him back if he wants to be here playing for what he's worth.

How is it desperate?

Yan has played well enough to warrant a big contract. Having Yan (who's still just 24 years old) and Allen (22) for the next 8 years would be incredible.

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The Jags aren't going to be winning any time soon regardless unless you believe in Minshew mania.  Overpaying the guy out of desperation will only hurt once they're ready to be true contenders again.  Stockpile the draft picks and rollover the cap space.

We'd all love to have him back if he wants to be here playing for what he's worth.

How is it desperate?

Yan has played well enough to warrant a big contract. Having Yan (who's still just 24 years old) and Allen (22) for the next 8 years would be incredible.

But they play the same position!!! We don't need 2 premier pass rushers. We will just draft a premier pass rusher in the 3rd round again this year. We should just trade Yan for 3 first round picks. I did that in Madden once and I ended up with the first 3 picks in the draft. The Jags should just hire me as GM. I have run the draft simulator at least 100 times now. I got all A+'s on my last draft bb!

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If this FO allows Yann to get away it will rank among my largest disappointments they will have ever made. That says a lot considering the staggering level of disappointments this team has crammed down our collective throats. If there has ever been a guy that you can live with overpaying he is it. Especially considering some of the other incomprehensible payouts they have made to others.

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The Jags aren't going to be winning any time soon regardless unless you believe in Minshew mania.  Overpaying the guy out of desperation will only hurt once they're ready to be true contenders again.  Stockpile the draft picks and rollover the cap space.

We'd all love to have him back if he wants to be here playing for what he's worth.

Every single pass rusher worth a flip gets overpayed in free agency. That's how it works. 
The ever changing market determines "what he's worth" not some line in the sand drawn by fans at an arbitrary number like 17 mil per year. 

I'd rather be the club paying Yan 3 mil more than fans want to pay him than the club short a stud pass rusher we drafted and developed. 

We already HAVE good draft capital and we have the means to pay Yan too. This is a no-brainer for me. 
Pay the man what the market bears and lay the incentives on thick. He's a guy that bets on himself.

imo He's worth what Frank Clark signed last year.  That should be the blueprint.  Very similar production as a 4-3 DE.

If he's asking for Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald APY money/Guaranteed money, then no way.  I'll take the 1st+2nd round pick and $20M+ in extra cap space.

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Every single pass rusher worth a flip gets overpayed in free agency. That's how it works. 
The ever changing market determines "what he's worth" not some line in the sand drawn by fans at an arbitrary number like 17 mil per year. 

I'd rather be the club paying Yan 3 mil more than fans want to pay him than the club short a stud pass rusher we drafted and developed. 

We already HAVE good draft capital and we have the means to pay Yan too. This is a no-brainer for me. 
Pay the man what the market bears and lay the incentives on thick. He's a guy that bets on himself.

imo He's worth what Frank Clark signed last year.  That should be the blueprint.  Very similar production as a 4-3 DE.

If he's asking for Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald APY money/Guaranteed money, then no way.  I'll take the 1st+2nd round pick and $20M+ in extra cap space.

This, I'd give him a Clark or Lawrence type contact. I'm not giving him a Mack or Donald contract if that's what he wants.

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Every single pass rusher worth a flip gets overpayed in free agency. That's how it works. 
The ever changing market determines "what he's worth" not some line in the sand drawn by fans at an arbitrary number like 17 mil per year. 

I'd rather be the club paying Yan 3 mil more than fans want to pay him than the club short a stud pass rusher we drafted and developed. 

We already HAVE good draft capital and we have the means to pay Yan too. This is a no-brainer for me. 
Pay the man what the market bears and lay the incentives on thick. He's a guy that bets on himself.

imo He's worth what Frank Clark signed last year.  That should be the blueprint.  Very similar production as a 4-3 DE.

If he's asking for Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald APY money/Guaranteed money, then no way.  I'll take the 1st+2nd round pick and $20M+ in extra cap space.

I think he'll sign with the Jags for an offer like Clark's deal plus a few incentives that kick in if he performs at an elite level.

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imo He's worth what Frank Clark signed last year.  That should be the blueprint.  Very similar production as a 4-3 DE.

If he's asking for Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald APY money/Guaranteed money, then no way.  I'll take the 1st+2nd round pick and $20M+ in extra cap space.

This, I'd give him a Clark or Lawrence type contact. I'm not giving him a Mack or Donald contract if that's what he wants.

Even though Lawrence is a much better run defender than Yan and Clark while possessing the same pass rush production. Seems like a good deal for the Cowboys.

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imo He's worth what Frank Clark signed last year.  That should be the blueprint.  Very similar production as a 4-3 DE.

If he's asking for Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald APY money/Guaranteed money, then no way.  I'll take the 1st+2nd round pick and $20M+ in extra cap space.

This, I'd give him a Clark or Lawrence type contact. I'm not giving him a Mack or Donald contract if that's what he wants.

Has anyone said to make him the highest paid defensive player in history? I don't think so.

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This, I'd give him a Clark or Lawrence type contact. I'm not giving him a Mack or Donald contract if that's what he wants.

Has anyone said to make him the highest paid defensive player in history? I don't think so.

It's either close to that or the Jags are lowballing him

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imo He's worth what Frank Clark signed last year.  That should be the blueprint.  Very similar production as a 4-3 DE.

If he's asking for Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald APY money/Guaranteed money, then no way.  I'll take the 1st+2nd round pick and $20M+ in extra cap space.

This, I'd give him a Clark or Lawrence type contact. I'm not giving him a Mack or Donald contract if that's what he wants.

Agree. He is not even close to the game wrecker Mack and Donald are and shouldn't be paid anything even remotely close to them.

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Josh Allen?  Pick #9 will have some options too.

You need BOTH guys. One edge rusher is not enough. Allen and Ngakoue are on the field together frequently on third down pass sets, and will be on the field more and more as Calais ages out. 

Allen doesn't give you options to cut Ngakoue. He gives you the right number of pass rushers in addition to Ngakoue and the "days-numbered" Campbell.

If they'd have kept Fowler, they'd have a lot more leverage right now but woulda, coulda, shoulda.

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This, I'd give him a Clark or Lawrence type contact. I'm not giving him a Mack or Donald contract if that's what he wants.

Agree. He is not even close to the game wrecker Mack and Donald are and shouldn't be paid anything even remotely close to them.

I don't know this obviously but I suspect that's what he's wanting. More maybe.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you. 
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This, I'd give him a Clark or Lawrence type contact. I'm not giving him a Mack or Donald contract if that's what he wants.

Agree. He is not even close to the game wrecker Mack and Donald are and shouldn't be paid anything even remotely close to them.

Good Grief. No one is saying this lol

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You need BOTH guys. One edge rusher is not enough. Allen and Ngakoue are on the field together frequently on third down pass sets, and will be on the field more and more as Calais ages out. 

Allen doesn't give you options to cut Ngakoue. He gives you the right number of pass rushers in addition to Ngakoue and the "days-numbered" Campbell.

If they'd have kept Fowler, they'd have a lot more leverage right now but woulda, coulda, shoulda.

Allen and Ngakoue are both better than Fowler IMO. So - I don't miss him. Glad he's gone actually given all of the locker room and off field garbage.

The way I see it, they upgraded Fowler by drafting Allen - and they needed to re-sign Ngakoue regardless. 
Caldwell has always preached "draft, develop, reward."  Yet under Coughlin they rewarded a WLB playing out of position at MIKE prematurely then and low-balled a premier pass rusher. Makes no sense. 
If you want to go the coulda', shoulda' route - then Coughlin should have offered fair market value and terms for the extension before we got to this point.

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Referring to your points:

1. Completely agree. Yan has always been talked about with the utmost respect by coaches, players, and the press that are around him. Even the incident with Fowler seemed to be Yan calling him out for a lack of professionalism on his part.

2. I think you're being a bit head-in-the-sand on this. Yes, the tweets are slightly cryptic but it doesn't take a genius to see he wants out. It's obvious. Unfortunately for us, when a player decides they no longer want to play for a team, it's very rare to see that situation change (as we all know too well).

RE: #2 - I'm not ignoring the timing and nature of his tweets, I'm suggesting that he does stuff like this all the time and these latest tweets can easily just be part of his gamesmanship to influence the Jags next offering upward. 

Maybe he legit wants out. Wouldn't be a shocker, but his actual comments during interviews in-season go against that and I really do believe that "money talks" in this situation. The right offer could ground his rambling spirit quickly.

What kind of contract do you think the team should offer?

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imo He's worth what Frank Clark signed last year.  That should be the blueprint.  Very similar production as a 4-3 DE.

If he's asking for Khalil Mack and Aaron Donald APY money/Guaranteed money, then no way.  I'll take the 1st+2nd round pick and $20M+ in extra cap space.

This, I'd give him a Clark or Lawrence type contact. I'm not giving him a Mack or Donald contract if that's what he wants.

Wait...i thought you said earlier in the year there was no way you'd give him 20 per year?

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RE: #2 - I'm not ignoring the timing and nature of his tweets, I'm suggesting that he does stuff like this all the time and these latest tweets can easily just be part of his gamesmanship to influence the Jags next offering upward. 

Maybe he legit wants out. Wouldn't be a shocker, but his actual comments during interviews in-season go against that and I really do believe that "money talks" in this situation. The right offer could ground his rambling spirit quickly.

What kind of contract do you think the team should offer?

I don't really care if he's overpaid - but I'd start by offering: 
20 mil per year  -- 65% guaranteed  --  incentives that could push his per year # to 23 million if he puts up elite numbers.

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Demarcus Lawrence and Frank Clark are edge #3 and edge #4 in terms of practical guarantees.

So are we all on board paying him in that DE3 range now? Lol

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How is it desperate?

Yan has played well enough to warrant a big contract. Having Yan (who's still just 24 years old) and Allen (22) for the next 8 years would be incredible.

But they play the same position!!! We don't need 2 premier pass rushers. We will just draft a premier pass rusher in the 3rd round again this year. We should just trade Yan for 3 first round picks. I did that in Madden once and I ended up with the first 3 picks in the draft. The Jags should just hire me as GM. I have run the draft simulator at least 100 times now. I got all A+'s on my last draft bb!

You would get my vote, but I have actually run the draft simulator 200 times now, which, by any logic, makes me twice as good a GM as you.

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This, I'd give him a Clark or Lawrence type contact. I'm not giving him a Mack or Donald contract if that's what he wants.

Has anyone said to make him the highest paid defensive player in history? I don't think so.

Some have said give him whatever he wants, so if that is what he wants yes some would.  Nobody knows what kind of money he wants, all one can do is speculate.

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