Did MLK and the Southern Leadership Conference riot, loot, steal and attack the police and others when protesting? No. Did they resist when being arrested? No. Did they attack when attacked by dogs, fire hoses, and terror from the KKK? No. They were attacked by all the 'powers that be' , and they prevailed. I dont need to 'revisit' the civil rights movement, I lived thru it.  Thru busing, race riots and marches at my schools.  I didnt read it from a book or from Wikipedia, i was in the middle of it.  While i appreciate your opinion, i respectfully disagree. 'Fiery protests' solve nothing and just further divide.

MLK and his allies did in fact aim to be confronted by police and cause a ruckus. They were often met with fierce opposition and violence which they wholeheartedly faced up to and caused mass commotion. This was planned and talked about. 

I'm not sure where you were during all of this but I'm amazed you think civil rights progression happened due to people protesting within the rules of the time and within what authority allowed them to do. 

Part of the whitewashing if MLK is portraying him as a peace loving man who just wasn't civil rights to progress via standing around abiding by the law and *waiting* for things to change.

1.) These people aren't advocating for civil rights.  

2.) Civil disobedience and near insurrection are two different things.

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MLK and his allies did in fact aim to be confronted by police and cause a ruckus. They were often met with fierce opposition and violence which they wholeheartedly faced up to and caused mass commotion. This was planned and talked about. 

I'm not sure where you were during all of this but I'm amazed you think civil rights progression happened due to people protesting within the rules of the time and within what authority allowed them to do. 

Part of the whitewashing if MLK is portraying him as a peace loving man who just wasn't civil rights to progress via standing around abiding by the law and *waiting* for things to change.

1.) These people aren't advocating for civil rights.  

2.) Civil disobedience and near insurrection are two different things.

The protests is against opressive policing and police brutality against citizens so yeah those both fall under the remit of civil rights infringements. 

Well that's the issue. As far as posters here are concerned any sort of civil disobedience like protesting where they shouldn't be or pushing back against police brutality means they deserve everything they get and more (some want them shot).

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1.) These people aren't advocating for civil rights.  

2.) Civil disobedience and near insurrection are two different things.

The protests is against opressive policing and police brutality against citizens so yeah those both fall under the remit of civil rights infringements. 

Well that's the issue. As far as posters here are concerned any sort of civil disobedience like protesting where they shouldn't be or pushing back against police brutality means they deserve everything they get and more (some want them shot).

Are you really this dense or just drunk?

When the "protest " turns to destruction of private and public property, beatings/killing of innocent bystanders and folks simply protecting their property it is no longer a protest you idiot.

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 

1.) These people aren't advocating for civil rights.  

2.) Civil disobedience and near insurrection are two different things.

The protests is against opressive policing and police brutality against citizens so yeah those both fall under the remit of civil rights infringements. 

Well that's the issue. As far as posters here are concerned any sort of civil disobedience like protesting where they shouldn't be or pushing back against police brutality means they deserve everything they get and more (some want them shot).

Again, I ask just for my own information, so I get my facts straight. Are you an American citizen? I thought I heard you were from Ireland and I just want to be sure, so I'm going straight to the source. It's just a simple question.

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The protests is against opressive policing and police brutality against citizens so yeah those both fall under the remit of civil rights infringements. 

Well that's the issue. As far as posters here are concerned any sort of civil disobedience like protesting where they shouldn't be or pushing back against police brutality means they deserve everything they get and more (some want them shot).

Are you really this dense or just drunk?

When the "protest " turns to destruction of private and public property, beatings/killing of innocent bystanders and folks simply protecting their property it is no longer a protest you idiot.

there's been numerous peaceful protests tear gassed and attacked by police before any property was set on fire or anything. The police have a large role in the creation of riots

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The protests is against opressive policing and police brutality against citizens so yeah those both fall under the remit of civil rights infringements. 

Well that's the issue. As far as posters here are concerned any sort of civil disobedience like protesting where they shouldn't be or pushing back against police brutality means they deserve everything they get and more (some want them shot).

Again, I ask just for my own information, so I get my facts straight. Are you an American citizen? I thought I heard you were from Ireland and I just want to be sure, so I'm going straight to the source. It's just a simple question.

Didn't see your question. I'm Irish yeah

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The protests is against opressive policing and police brutality against citizens so yeah those both fall under the remit of civil rights infringements. 

Well that's the issue. As far as posters here are concerned any sort of civil disobedience like protesting where they shouldn't be or pushing back against police brutality means they deserve everything they get and more (some want them shot).

Again, I ask just for my own information, so I get my facts straight. Are you an American citizen? I thought I heard you were from Ireland and I just want to be sure, so I'm going straight to the source. It's just a simple question.

He is not. He lives in Ireland. They really have no comprehension of self protection hence his disdain for anyone who does.

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 

The two most recent they are protesting are bull crap examples. Floyd's lungs were swollen 2 to 3 times their normal size due to drug reactions at the time of his death. That is why even when he was sitting in the car he kept saying I can't breathe. Had he been honest with the police and said he had taken drugs, I can't breathe and need EMT, you have a whole different outcome. Why is this memo from the autopsy just coming out when it was written June 1st. Why was the video of him resisting arrest prior to being on the ground held for so long?

The Blake incident was another shining example. History of fighting with cops, domestic dispute call, ECT. He was resisting arrest and had a knife in his hand. Then proceed to a car with 3 children inside to retrieve something, perhaps they will release that info some day.

I get it, any death is a bad situation. These two individuals have nobody but themselves to blame. The fact that information is being withheld that would likely prevent cities from being burned down is media and political malpractice.

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there's been numerous peaceful protests tear gassed and attacked by police before any property was set on fire or anything.
The police have a large role in the creation of riots

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Patently incorrect, close to all you post in this section. You might want to stay in the football forum. You seem at least competent to discuss that.

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 

He's not just factually incorrect - he's lying. And knowingly lying.

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Are you really this dense or just drunk?

When the "protest " turns to destruction of private and public property, beatings/killing of innocent bystanders and folks simply protecting their property it is no longer a protest you idiot.

there's been numerous peaceful protests tear gassed and attacked by police before any property was set on fire or anything. The police have a large role in the creation of riots

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Again, I ask just for my own information, so I get my facts straight. Are you an American citizen? I thought I heard you were from Ireland and I just want to be sure, so I'm going straight to the source. It's just a simple question.

Didn't see your question. I'm Irish yeah

I'm gonna ask a serious question. I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just trying to gain some perspective. Why come to the political section on a board for a country you aren't a citizen of or know anything about? I certainly know nothing about the political system of Ireland or the lives of it's citizens, so I would feel like a complete hypocrite to go on some message board and offer my "2 cents" on how that country should be run or how it's citizens should think. When you do, it comes off as a little "elitist."

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there's been numerous peaceful protests tear gassed and attacked by police before any property was set on fire or anything. The police have a large role in the creation of riots

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Didn't see your question. I'm Irish yeah

I'm gonna ask a serious question. I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just trying to gain some perspective. Why come to the political section on a board for a country you aren't a citizen of or know anything about? I certainly know nothing about the political system of Ireland or the lives of it's citizens, so I would feel like a complete hypocrite to go on some message board and offer my "2 cents" on how that country should be run or how it's citizens should think. When you do, it comes off as a little "elitist."

To be fair, Ireland has zero stake in world affairs. No one cares about their policies because it affects no one outside of the country.

Still - you're right. He has no clue about our laws, our history or anything about us he doesn't get spoon fed from the media.

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there's been numerous peaceful protests tear gassed and attacked by police before any property was set on fire or anything. The police have a large role in the creation of riots

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Didn't see your question. I'm Irish yeah

I'm gonna ask a serious question. I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just trying to gain some perspective. Why come to the political section on a board for a country you aren't a citizen of or know anything about? I certainly know nothing about the political system of Ireland or the lives of it's citizens, so I would feel like a complete hypocrite to go on some message board and offer my "2 cents" on how that country should be run or how it's citizens should think. When you do, it comes off as a little "elitist."

I have a keen interest in politics and America is a pivotal country in what happens abroad. Also very interested in British politics and EU politics but there isn't much to discuss about that here. 

The two party system means many Americans support their parties like football teams and truth gets lost very easily so from the outside it's a lot easier to see things for how they actually are so you not knowing anything about Ireland is irrelevant to me discussing America. If anyone wants to discuss politics in issues in other countries they're very welcome to!

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there's been numerous peaceful protests tear gassed and attacked by police before any property was set on fire or anything.
The police have a large role in the creation of riots

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Patently incorrect, close to all you post in this section. You might want to stay in the football forum. You seem at least competent to discuss that.

I've yet to see you post coherently in either section

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I'm gonna ask a serious question. I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just trying to gain some perspective. Why come to the political section on a board for a country you aren't a citizen of or know anything about? I certainly know nothing about the political system of Ireland or the lives of it's citizens, so I would feel like a complete hypocrite to go on some message board and offer my "2 cents" on how that country should be run or how it's citizens should think. When you do, it comes off as a little "elitist."

I have a keen interest in politics and America is a pivotal country in what happens abroad. Also very interested in British politics and EU politics but there isn't much to discuss about that here. 

The two party system means many Americans support their parties like football teams and truth gets lost very easily so from the outside it's a lot easier to see things for how they actually are so you not knowing anything about Ireland is irrelevant to me discussing America. If anyone wants to discuss politics in issues in other countries they're very welcome to!

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Patently incorrect, close to all you post in this section. You might want to stay in the football forum. You seem at least competent to discuss that.

I've yet to see you post coherently in either section

Sigh...

The police have been told by democrat leaders to allow this to happen.

So yea.. explain how they are part of the riots. And please cite three different sources.

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I have a keen interest in politics and America is a pivotal country in what happens abroad. Also very interested in British politics and EU politics but there isn't much to discuss about that here. 

The two party system means many Americans support their parties like football teams and truth gets lost very easily so from the outside it's a lot easier to see things for how they actually are so you not knowing anything about Ireland is irrelevant to me discussing America. If anyone wants to discuss politics in issues in other countries they're very welcome to!

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I've yet to see you post coherently in either section

Sigh...

The police have been told by democrat leaders to allow this to happen.

So yea.. explain how they are part of the riots. And please cite three different sources.

You mean the overwhelmingly right wing police forces and unions? 

Police have a deliberate tactic of bottle necking protesters and tear gassing them. tactics like these help cause mayhem and riots, not prevent them. If you want to do some reading you should dig into the history of protest policing and Israels influence on how american police forces operate. 

 https://twitter.com/ChalecosAmarill/stat...8142595072

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I'm gonna ask a serious question. I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just trying to gain some perspective. Why come to the political section on a board for a country you aren't a citizen of or know anything about? I certainly know nothing about the political system of Ireland or the lives of it's citizens, so I would feel like a complete hypocrite to go on some message board and offer my "2 cents" on how that country should be run or how it's citizens should think. When you do, it comes off as a little "elitist."

To be fair, Ireland has zero stake in world affairs. No one cares about their policies because it affects no one outside of the country.

Still - you're right. He has no clue about our laws, our history or anything about us he doesn't get spoon fed from the media.

He knows what he needs to know.  He or his parents saw more intense protests than anyone living in North America.  While the nominal police don't usually carry firearms in Europe, there is a lot more national guard out there, and those guys usually have helmets and rifles.  He or his parents saw the same types of "should he shoot or hold fire?" and "is the prosecutor protecting them, or us?" type questions that we are looking at right now - only worse.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

To be fair, Ireland has zero stake in world affairs. No one cares about their policies because it affects no one outside of the country.

Still - you're right. He has no clue about our laws, our history or anything about us he doesn't get spoon fed from the media.

He knows what he needs to know.  He or his parents saw more intense protests than anyone living in North America.  While the nominal police don't usually carry firearms in Europe, there is a lot more national guard out there, and those guys usually have helmets and rifles.  He or his parents saw the same types of "should he shoot or hold fire?" and "is the prosecutor protecting them, or us?" type questions that we are looking at right now - only worse.

But it's not the same. The reasons for those conflicts are MUCH different than what we are experiencing now. It's night and day. We are very different nations and our citizens have very different experiences and beliefs.

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More facts out, he was tased 2 times before the shooting.


What can the cops do? What else could they have done?

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He knows what he needs to know.  He or his parents saw more intense protests than anyone living in North America.  While the nominal police don't usually carry firearms in Europe, there is a lot more national guard out there, and those guys usually have helmets and rifles.  He or his parents saw the same types of "should he shoot or hold fire?" and "is the prosecutor protecting them, or us?" type questions that we are looking at right now - only worse.

But it's not the same. The reasons for those conflicts are MUCH different than what we are experiencing now. It's night and day. We are very different nations and our citizens have very different experiences and beliefs.

You don't need to be from America to know what civil rights are

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https://twitter.com/PeterKagan/status/12...81889?s=19

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But it's not the same. The reasons for those conflicts are MUCH different than what we are experiencing now. It's night and day. We are very different nations and our citizens have very different experiences and beliefs.

You don't need to be from America to know what civil rights are

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https://twitter.com/PeterKagan/status/12...81889?s=19

You don't know any of the reasons behind the riots or the actual facts of what led up to it though. You came in with a bias and like people on the right and left, you only believe the things that you hear which fit your narrative. Things aren't always black and white. Most things have a lot of gray areas that people just overlook.

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You don't need to be from America to know what civil rights are

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https://twitter.com/PeterKagan/status/12...81889?s=19

You don't know any of the reasons behind the riots or the actual facts of what led up to it though. You came in with a bias and like people on the right and left, you only believe the things that you hear which fit your narrative. Things aren't always black and white. Most things have a lot of gray areas that people just overlook.

What are you talking about? What 'facts' have I missed that you have seen but I haven't?

You're as useless in here as you are on the football side of things

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