Pirks your forcing it.

 

Bridgewater is this years Cam

 

Cam wasn't even in the top 10 of peoples draft boards come draft time

 

That whole "minus the Newton" is a crock

 

I'd say Manziels pre draft workups are more like Newtons. Nobody belived Newton could cut it in the NFL coming from a spread offense and etc etc. Most draft experts like Bridgewater.

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I'd say Manziels pre draft workups are more like Newtons. Nobody belived Newton could cut it in the NFL coming from a spread offense and etc etc. Most draft experts like Bridgewater.

I only make comparison because of Cam was the best qb in the 2011 draft, even with all the questions 

 

Remember that most of the top qbs in the 2011 draft were spread offense qbs, including our own Blaine Gabbert lol

 

Bridgewater is in the same boat as Cam, as being the best qb at the top of his draft

 

I do agree Manziel is facing the same questions  Cam though

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I'd say Manziels pre draft workups are more like Newtons. Nobody belived Newton could cut it in the NFL coming from a spread offense and etc etc. Most draft experts like Bridgewater.

Interesting. Great  point. I've never had that thought come up, but I could see it. The questions regarding his skill set translating to the NFL. There was obviously no question though regarding Newton's prototypical size and arm strength the way it comes up with Manziel which I think are some of the more significant questions.

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Interesting. Great  point. I've never had that thought come up, but I could see it. The questions regarding his skill set translating to the NFL. There was obviously no question though regarding Newton's prototypical size and arm strength the way it comes up with Manziel which I think are some of the more significant questions.

Thats the thing, Cam has the size and the arm strength to learn how to be a pocket passer the "hard" way 

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Not to toot my own horn, but I thought it was pretty obvious that Newton had the ability to be an NFL QB.  A lot of people questioned whether he could do it because he played in a spread offense and ran a lot.  But the problem with QBs in that style of offense is that it can hide a lack of natural ability.  That wasnt an issue with Cam.  He made enough NFL type throws where you could see he clearly had the ability.  His mechanics were fine.  Everything about him was fine, it was just that you didnt see it much based on the offense Auburn played.  And for him, could he be smart enough to read NFL defenses and know where he should go with the ball.  But thats a question mark for all QBs making the transition.

 

I think Manziel has a lot more question marks than Cam.  He clearly doesnt have the sheer physical size and doesnt have the same arm strength.  You see him from time to time make an NFL throw but you will also see a lot of bad throws across the field that clearly dont have enough arm strength on it.   Manziel's real strength is his ability to run and throwing on the run.  And while he has made some nice throws from the pocket, thats often a result of a defense scheming to not allow him to run.  But as we saw with Mizzou and LSU, if you just contain him with your down lineman, he cant scramble and he is forced to throw against secondaries playing the pass.  Not playing a guy to run.  And he was awful.  NFL teams will do the exact same.  Theyll play him to contain and force him to beat exotic coverages.  Just like we saw NFL defenses do to Vince Young.  I do think Manziel is a better thrower of a football than Young though.  I just dont know that he is good enough to sit in the pocket and make NFL throws one after the other.  He needs to run around and scramble.  I think the Doug Flutie comparison is a great one.  I think he can be a guy that in the right situation on a bit of a hot streak, can win some games and bring some excitement.  But wont be a consistent winner and wont be a legit top 15 QB. 

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Come on pirks, Bridgewater may not have Cam's physical tools (but who does) but he was leaps and bounds better as a qb coming out.

 

When I compare the two, I am talking about the disparity between those two and the rest of the qbs of their respective classes. 

 

Its not about charming or championships, Cam was just the best qb in the draft.

 

How did you come to the conclusion that he is reclusive? he is quiet, but certainly not recluse '

 

He may not have an rpg attached to his arm, but few qbs in the league do,

 

His brain, accuracy (timing, anticipation touch) are elite

 

His arm is good to great, and he has elite pocket presence

 

Yes you are forcing it

 

LOL... sorry, but you're the only one forcing a QB to the top of this weak class.

 

If he were as good as you advertise, there'd be no question and he'd be the "Luck" candidate.

 

That's certainly NOT the case this year.

 

Scouts like him, but don't love him like they have the truly elite/franchise candidates.

 

If there's any so-called "standout" that appears to be moving up boards, it's Manziel.  Still, that remains to be seen.

 

That's not forcing anything at all.  Just being intellectually honest and not having fallen for a guy (like you obviously have.)

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

LOL... sorry, but you're the only one forcing a QB to the top of this weak class.

 

If he were as good as you advertise, there'd be no question and he'd be the "Luck" candidate.

 

That's certainly NOT the case this year.

 

Scouts like him, but don't love him like they have the truly elite/franchise candidates.

 

If there's any so-called "standout" that appears to be moving up boards, it's Manziel.  Still, that remains to be seen.

 

That's not forcing anything at all.  Just being intellectually honest and not having fallen for a guy (like you obviously have.)

Manziel is not rising up any boards, except the ones from NFL network 

 

The only issues scouts have is with his size

 

Your not thinking for yourself

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Manziel is not rising up any boards, except the ones from NFL network 

 

The only issues scouts have is with his size

 

Your not thinking for yourself

 

LOL... if that were true, I'd be following you and others on the Bridgewater bandwagon.

 

A bandwagon that appears to be stuck in a rut at this point.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

LOL... if that were true, I'd be following you and others on the Bridgewater bandwagon.

 

A bandwagon that appears to be stuck in a rut at this point.

Not really, you should hop on too

 

If you were thinking for yourself, you would be looking at his play and saying draft the kid

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Not really, you should hop on too

 

If you were thinking for yourself, you would be looking at his play and saying draft the kid

 

I have, and that's why I'm not.  Not with a top 10 pick.  Funny thing, opinions... some folks don't think you're allowed to come to a different conclusion.  Sorry, but I certainly don't see an NFL star - yet have not problem being wrong if that ends up being the case.

 

So rather than ask me to think for myself (which I am actually doing) you're asking me to think like you.

 

This is rich.  You done?  Because you certainly aren't convincing.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

I have, and that's why I'm not.  Not with a top 10 pick.  Funny thing, opinions... some folks don't think you're allowed to come to a different conclusion.  Sorry, but I certainly don't see an NFL star - yet have not problem being wrong if that ends up being the case.

 

So rather than ask me to think for myself (which I am actually doing) you're asking me to think like you.

 

This is rich.  You done?  Because you certainly aren't convincing.

We will have to see once the season hits then pirks

 

Chances are that you will be in for a very pleasant surprise

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