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2020 Presidental Election


(10-08-2020, 03:11 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: How much more ridiculous can Nancy Pelosi get?  Democrats are getting extremely desperate.

Quote:"Tomorrow, by the way, tomorrow, come here tomorrow," Pelosi said. "We're going to be talking about the 25th Amendment."

“I think that the public needs to know the health condition of the President," Pelosi said. "There's one question that he refused to answer … when was his last negative test?" Pelosi said that this information is necessary in order to “make a judgment about the actions that were taken after that.”

"Let us see a date, a time when you last tested negative," she added.

What's wrong with that?  The extensive amount of medication is clouding his judgement.

Definitely not any worse than some goof clamoring to see Obama's birth certificate over the course of 8 years.
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(10-08-2020, 02:23 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(10-08-2020, 02:17 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: Poor Donald. You are right about him flip flopping about this shortly. He knows that he is falling further behind Biden as each day passes. His only hope would be for Biden to have a monumental gaffe during one of the two remaining debates, virtual or not.

Republicans are out registering new voters by a long shot in swing states. Twitter is not real. The fake momentum shift you think you are feeling is not real.

Not to mention, this 25th amendment garbage by Pelosi isn't helping anything. Nothing will stop ACB from being confirmed.

Your latter point is likely true, which is very unfortunate since a clear majority of Americans are pro-choice.

As far as your initial point, you are clearly stuck at denial- the first stage of loss. If you have any hope of reaching acceptance by Nov. 3, you need to move on to "bargaining." Maybe you can agree to quit watching videos of the "Proud Boys" as long as Trump wins. You'll then be ready to deal with the inevitable anger which occurs as Trump continues to lose ground. I'd suggest purchasing a Hillary Clinton bobblehead and continue to throw it against the wall until her head falls off. You can then throw it in the garbage. Unfortunately, you will then have to confront the hardest stage- "depression." I can't make light of that since watching your hero be humiliated on Nov. 3 will be very hard to overcome. My thoughts are with you during this difficult time
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(10-08-2020, 03:42 PM)jaglou53 Wrote:
(10-08-2020, 02:23 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Republicans are out registering new voters by a long shot in swing states. Twitter is not real. The fake momentum shift you think you are feeling is not real.

Not to mention, this 25th amendment garbage by Pelosi isn't helping anything. Nothing will stop ACB from being confirmed.

Your latter point is likely true, which is very unfortunate since a clear majority of Americans are pro-choice.

As far as your initial point, you are clearly stuck at denial- the first stage of loss. If you have any hope of reaching acceptance by Nov. 3, you need to move on to "bargaining." Maybe you can agree to quit watching videos of the "Proud Boys" as long as Trump wins. You'll then be ready to deal with the inevitable anger which occurs as Trump continues to lose ground. I'd suggest purchasing a Hillary Clinton bobblehead and continue to throw it against the wall until her head falls off. You can then throw it in the garbage. Unfortunately, you will then have to confront the hardest stage- "depression." I can't make light of that since watching your hero be humiliated on Nov. 3 will be very hard to overcome. My thoughts are with you during this difficult time

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the vast majority of Republicans don't get angry or depressed over politics. We suffered through the worst president in our nations history for 8 years without rioting, looting, and burning down cities. I am pretty sure we could do it again.

Having said that, Twitter is not real life. The fake momentum shift you think you are feeling is not real.
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Yo, Mikey! I just lied to another pollster. This is fun.
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Trump's melting down. Let's recap.

1) Nation finds out Trump doesn't pay income taxes.
2) Trump has debate with Biden, acts like he's on crack.
3) Trump ignores health guidelines, gets himself and everyone around him infected with Covid.
4) Trump cancels stimulus negotiations.
5) Trump pulls out of next debate.

And this is just in the last 10 days!
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(10-08-2020, 05:00 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Trump's melting down.  Let's recap.

1) Nation finds out Trump doesn't pay income taxes.
2) Trump has debate with Biden, acts like he's on crack.  
3) Trump ignores health guidelines, gets himself and everyone around him infected with Covid.  
4) Trump cancels stimulus negotiations.  
5) Trump pulls out of next debate.  

And this is just in the last 10 days!

Don't forget that he said getting COVID was "a blessing from God." Not sure the families of the greater than 200,000 victims would agree with this.
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(10-08-2020, 05:00 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Trump's melting down.  Let's recap.

1) Nation finds out Trump doesn't pay income taxes.
2) Trump has debate with Biden, acts like he's on crack.  
3) Trump ignores health guidelines, gets himself and everyone around him infected with Covid.  
4) Trump cancels stimulus negotiations.  
5) Trump pulls out of next debate.  

And this is just in the last 10 days!

1. That doesn't mean he hasn't paid taxes.
2. That's consistent behavior for Trump just as Biden consistently behaves like he had dementia.
3. Do you know Trump got Covid from ignoring health guidelines?
4. His team stopped negotiations because Nancy wants pork that would fundamentally change the justice system and spending.
5. Because they changed the rules. 

You're trying hard to misrepresent what is happening here to make it seem worse than it really is. None of these things include what most would describe as a meltdown.
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(10-08-2020, 05:00 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Trump's melting down.  Let's recap.

1) Nation finds out Trump doesn't pay income taxes.
2) Trump has debate with Biden, acts like he's on crack.  
3) Trump ignores health guidelines, gets himself and everyone around him infected with Covid.  
4) Trump cancels stimulus negotiations.  
5) Trump pulls out of next debate.  

And this is just in the last 10 days!

President Trump is playing the democrats like a fiddle.  Let's recap.

1.  The democrat controlled media recycles the same fake news from a few years ago.
2.  President Trump doesn't do so well in a "debate" clearly against him.
3.  President Trump catches the China virus.
   3a.  President Trump defeats the China virus and shows everyone that it's not as bad as the democrat controlled media would have you believe.
   3b.  President Trump continues to work and be available to the American people while Joe Biden hides in his basement and gives a speech to 10's of people.
4.  President Trump stops the stimilus negotiations since Nancy Pelosi will not budge on keeping pork out aimed at bailing out poorly run democrat run cities.
5.  President Trump refuses the change of rules for the upcoming debate because the DNC handlers want to enable Biden to have his teleprompter available.

And this is just in the last 10 days!

A.  Meanwhile the democrat controlled media ignores the declassification of documents that implicate Hillary Clinton, the Obama administration, the FBI and the CIA of obstruction.
B.  Vice President Pence takes Kamala Harris to school during the Vice Presidential Candidate debate.
C.  Nancy Pelosi has another meltdown and announces yet another attempt by the democrats to remove President Trump from office which is also ignored by the democrat controlled media.


There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.
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(10-08-2020, 05:36 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote:
(10-08-2020, 05:00 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Trump's melting down.  Let's recap.

1) Nation finds out Trump doesn't pay income taxes.
2) Trump has debate with Biden, acts like he's on crack.  
3) Trump ignores health guidelines, gets himself and everyone around him infected with Covid.  
4) Trump cancels stimulus negotiations.  
5) Trump pulls out of next debate.  

And this is just in the last 10 days!

1. That doesn't mean he hasn't paid taxes.
2. That's consistent behavior for Trump just as Biden consistently behaves like he had dementia.
3. Do you know Trump got Covid from ignoring health guidelines?
4. His team stopped negotiations because Nancy wants pork that would fundamentally change the justice system and spending.
5. Because they changed the rules. 

You're trying hard to misrepresent what is happening here to make it seem worse than it really is. None of these things include what most would describe as a meltdown.

I'm not gonna address the first 4, but they changed the rules of the debate because Trump is disease ridden and most doctors say he is still contagious. Nobody in their right mind would wanna be in a room with that guy on a normal day, but now that he has covid 19, they really don't wanna be near him. He just wants to spread his sickness like germ warfare, so he can possibly knock off feeble, old Joe Biden before the election. It's his strategy.

(10-08-2020, 05:42 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:
(10-08-2020, 05:00 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Trump's melting down.  Let's recap.

1) Nation finds out Trump doesn't pay income taxes.
2) Trump has debate with Biden, acts like he's on crack.  
3) Trump ignores health guidelines, gets himself and everyone around him infected with Covid.  
4) Trump cancels stimulus negotiations.  
5) Trump pulls out of next debate.  

And this is just in the last 10 days!

President Trump is playing the democrats like a fiddle.  Let's recap.

1.  The democrat controlled media recycles the same fake news from a few years ago.
2.  President Trump doesn't do so well in a "debate" clearly against him.
3.  President Trump catches the China virus.
   3a.  President Trump defeats the China virus and shows everyone that it's not as bad as the democrat controlled media would have you believe.
   3b.  President Trump continues to work and be available to the American people while Joe Biden hides in his basement and gives a speech to 10's of people.
4.  President Trump stops the stimilus negotiations since Nancy Pelosi will not budge on keeping pork out aimed at bailing out poorly run democrat run cities.
5.  President Trump refuses the change of rules for the upcoming debate because the DNC handlers want to enable Biden to have his teleprompter available.

And this is just in the last 10 days!

A.  Meanwhile the democrat controlled media ignores the declassification of documents that implicate Hillary Clinton, the Obama administration, the FBI and the CIA of obstruction.
B.  Vice President Pence takes Kamala Harris to school during the Vice Presidential Candidate debate.
C.  Nancy Pelosi has another meltdown and announces yet another attempt by the democrats to remove President Trump from office which is also ignored by the democrat controlled media.

A. He isn't president anymore and she never was. They're old news. Nobody cares except hardcore Republicans. 
B. That is subjective depending on who you ask. Democrats say she won, Republicans say he won. They're both backup QB's anyway. 
C. That always happens, what's new?
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(10-08-2020, 06:28 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(10-08-2020, 05:36 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: 1. That doesn't mean he hasn't paid taxes.
2. That's consistent behavior for Trump just as Biden consistently behaves like he had dementia.
3. Do you know Trump got Covid from ignoring health guidelines?
4. His team stopped negotiations because Nancy wants pork that would fundamentally change the justice system and spending.
5. Because they changed the rules. 

You're trying hard to misrepresent what is happening here to make it seem worse than it really is. None of these things include what most would describe as a meltdown.

I'm not gonna address the first 4, but they changed the rules of the debate because Trump is disease ridden and most doctors say he is still contagious. Nobody in their right mind would wanna be in a room with that guy on a normal day, but now that he has covid 19, they really don't wanna be near him. He just wants to spread his sickness like germ warfare, so he can possibly knock off feeble, old Joe Biden before the election. It's his strategy.

(10-08-2020, 05:42 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: President Trump is playing the democrats like a fiddle.  Let's recap.

1.  The democrat controlled media recycles the same fake news from a few years ago.
2.  President Trump doesn't do so well in a "debate" clearly against him.
3.  President Trump catches the China virus.
   3a.  President Trump defeats the China virus and shows everyone that it's not as bad as the democrat controlled media would have you believe.
   3b.  President Trump continues to work and be available to the American people while Joe Biden hides in his basement and gives a speech to 10's of people.
4.  President Trump stops the stimilus negotiations since Nancy Pelosi will not budge on keeping pork out aimed at bailing out poorly run democrat run cities.
5.  President Trump refuses the change of rules for the upcoming debate because the DNC handlers want to enable Biden to have his teleprompter available.

And this is just in the last 10 days!

A.  Meanwhile the democrat controlled media ignores the declassification of documents that implicate Hillary Clinton, the Obama administration, the FBI and the CIA of obstruction.
B.  Vice President Pence takes Kamala Harris to school during the Vice Presidential Candidate debate.
C.  Nancy Pelosi has another meltdown and announces yet another attempt by the democrats to remove President Trump from office which is also ignored by the democrat controlled media.

A. He isn't president anymore and she never was. They're old news. Nobody cares except hardcore Republicans. 
B. That is subjective depending on who you ask. Democrats say she won, Republicans say he won. They're both backup QB's anyway. 
C. That always happens, what's new?

I strongly disagree with A. Clinton should be in prison. Period. I don't know what could be done with Obama but that woman should be rotting in prison for several reasons and for the rest of her life.
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(10-08-2020, 06:28 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(10-08-2020, 05:36 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: 1. That doesn't mean he hasn't paid taxes.
2. That's consistent behavior for Trump just as Biden consistently behaves like he had dementia.
3. Do you know Trump got Covid from ignoring health guidelines?
4. His team stopped negotiations because Nancy wants pork that would fundamentally change the justice system and spending.
5. Because they changed the rules. 

You're trying hard to misrepresent what is happening here to make it seem worse than it really is. None of these things include what most would describe as a meltdown.

I'm not gonna address the first 4, but they changed the rules of the debate because Trump is disease ridden and most doctors say he is still contagious. Nobody in their right mind would wanna be in a room with that guy on a normal day, but now that he has covid 19, they really don't wanna be near him. He just wants to spread his sickness like germ warfare, so he can possibly knock off feeble, old Joe Biden before the election. It's his strategy.

(10-08-2020, 05:42 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: President Trump is playing the democrats like a fiddle.  Let's recap.

1.  The democrat controlled media recycles the same fake news from a few years ago.
2.  President Trump doesn't do so well in a "debate" clearly against him.
3.  President Trump catches the China virus.
   3a.  President Trump defeats the China virus and shows everyone that it's not as bad as the democrat controlled media would have you believe.
   3b.  President Trump continues to work and be available to the American people while Joe Biden hides in his basement and gives a speech to 10's of people.
4.  President Trump stops the stimilus negotiations since Nancy Pelosi will not budge on keeping pork out aimed at bailing out poorly run democrat run cities.
5.  President Trump refuses the change of rules for the upcoming debate because the DNC handlers want to enable Biden to have his teleprompter available.

And this is just in the last 10 days!

A.  Meanwhile the democrat controlled media ignores the declassification of documents that implicate Hillary Clinton, the Obama administration, the FBI and the CIA of obstruction.
B.  Vice President Pence takes Kamala Harris to school during the Vice Presidential Candidate debate.
C.  Nancy Pelosi has another meltdown and announces yet another attempt by the democrats to remove President Trump from office which is also ignored by the democrat controlled media.

A. He isn't president anymore and she never was. They're old news. Nobody cares except hardcore Republicans. 
B. That is subjective depending on who you ask. Democrats say she won, Republicans say he won. They're both backup QB's anyway. 
C. That always happens, what's new?

A.  That's part of the problem.  "Nobody" cares especially uninformed people.  It should be disturbing that the level of corruption exposed reached to the highest levels of government.  Most uninformed voters consider it "old news".  The fact of the matter is that there should be people going to jail up to and including a former President and presidential candidate.

B.  Name a question that Harris actually answered honestly.  She danced around and never gave a straight answer.  Take fracking, the green new deal or any other subject that came up.  She danced around and flip-flopped on her former words.

C.  The clear goal from the beginning of the Trump administration was to remove him from office.  The fake Russia collusion thing, fake impeachment and now this.  That kind of political attack with no basis in fact should be disturbing to most people.  Yet, millennials and uninformed voters write it off as "that always happens".  That kind of stuff is very serious and undermines our country and Constitution.


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(10-08-2020, 07:04 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:
(10-08-2020, 06:28 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I'm not gonna address the first 4, but they changed the rules of the debate because Trump is disease ridden and most doctors say he is still contagious. Nobody in their right mind would wanna be in a room with that guy on a normal day, but now that he has covid 19, they really don't wanna be near him. He just wants to spread his sickness like germ warfare, so he can possibly knock off feeble, old Joe Biden before the election. It's his strategy.


A. He isn't president anymore and she never was. They're old news. Nobody cares except hardcore Republicans. 
B. That is subjective depending on who you ask. Democrats say she won, Republicans say he won. They're both backup QB's anyway. 
C. That always happens, what's new?

A.  That's part of the problem.  "Nobody" cares especially uninformed people.  It should be disturbing that the level of corruption exposed reached to the highest levels of government.  Most uninformed voters consider it "old news".  The fact of the matter is that there should be people going to jail up to and including a former President and presidential candidate.

B.  Name a question that Harris actually answered honestly.  She danced around and never gave a straight answer.  Take fracking, the green new deal or any other subject that came up.  She danced around and flip-flopped on her former words.

C.  The clear goal from the beginning of the Trump administration was to remove him from office.  The fake Russia collusion thing, fake impeachment and now this.  That kind of political attack with no basis in fact should be disturbing to most people.  Yet, millennials and uninformed voters write it off as "that always happens".  That kind of stuff is very serious and undermines our country and Constitution.

A. Nobody cares, because there is nothing we can do about it. Government is run by people in power and that's just the way it is. Now that they are both out of office, it's old news. Of course people are disturbed by the levels of corruption in government and I would venture to say that most Americans know that almost all politicians are corrupt in one way or another on both sides of the aisle. It's just that people feel helpless that nothing can be done, so why even worry about it? 

B. I didn't watch the debate. Personally, I'd rather watch paint dry, since I can't stand anyone running in the two major parties. I just say what I saw on different reports. Conservatives and Liberals alike, see their candidate in a biased light and they always claim victory for their sides after debates. 

C. Trump freaks out all the time and it's nothing new. People are used to it. Nancy Pelosi goes off on Trump all the time and it's nothing new, because people are used to that too. It's just a giant vicious circle of political one upmanship.
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For the large leads that polls are showing for Biden in all these battleground states, the Democrats sure seem to he panicking.

Why?
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(10-10-2020, 08:03 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: For the large leads that polls are showing for Biden in all these battleground states, the Democrats sure seem to he panicking.

Why?

The entropy of victory.  If you win an election relatively close, the two parties stay basically the same.
if you win an election in a landslide, the two parties reorganize, even if neither wants to.

When LBJ won in a landslide, it created space for the racist southern Democrats to defect to the Republican Party. 

When Reagan won in a landslide, that created space for the socially liberal Republicans to defect to the Democratic party.
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Wrong.
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(10-10-2020, 08:03 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: For the large leads that polls are showing for Biden in all these battleground states, the Democrats sure seem to he panicking.

Why?

I don't see Democrats panicking at all.  I do think they are so scarred by what happened in 2016, that they don't want to become complacent.  Also, there's the possibility that Trump forces may disqualify large numbers of mail-in ballots, so they want to have a big enough margin that that won't matter. 

But I'm curious.  Where do you see Democrats panicking?
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(10-10-2020, 08:22 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Wrong.

Wrong.
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(10-10-2020, 08:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(10-10-2020, 08:03 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: For the large leads that polls are showing for Biden in all these battleground states, the Democrats sure seem to he panicking.

Why?

I don't see Democrats panicking at all.  I do think they are so scarred by what happened in 2016, that they don't want to become complacent.  Also, there's the possibility that Trump forces may disqualify large numbers of mail-in ballots, so they want to have a big enough margin that that won't matter. 

But I'm curious.  Where do you see Democrats panicking?
Republicans are leading in mail in ballots, I guess the Democrats are waiting to find out how many ballots they need to mail in to win.

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(10-10-2020, 08:03 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: For the large leads that polls are showing for Biden in all these battleground states, the Democrats sure seem to he panicking.

Why?

I think they have fallen into the same hole that they did in 2016, where they totally ignored middle America. I think they knew they were gonna have to focus on the flyover states that Clinton basically refused to acknowledge during her campaign. With the Covid-19 outbreak, they weren't able to do this and they know despite the polls, they are likely gonna lose some key states. Based on what I'm seeing in my area, Biden doesn't have a shot in Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky. It's nothing but Trump signs and flags for basically miles and miles. 

I don't trust anything the polls say. I'm fully expecting Biden to win the popular vote, thanks to the heavily populated and liberal coastal areas, but I an expecting Trump to win the electoral college again, because people in middle America don't trust Biden's health and Kamala Harris is a "gun grabber." You can basically use any talking points you want, but once you mention limiting people's gun rights in the the midwest, you've totally lost that group of people. Harris is way left of center, even from Biden on this key issue and has even mentioned she agrees with Beto O'Rourke's plan to try and confiscate (aka steal,) people's semi-automatic rifles which were purchased legally. Once you talk about stealing from hard working, law biding people, because of things a few "nut cases" have done, you're screwed. That would incite a civil war. The Democrats just don't see how important that one issue is to people in middle America and as long as they refuse to acknowledge this, they will never win. That one issue is gonna keep them from winning this election, yet I doubt they learn anything from it. Once they added Harris to the ticket, they screwed themselves. They needed a more moderate candidate on the gun issue and Biden and the Pelosi backed powers in charge of the Democrats refuse to give in on the issue. You don't punish everyone for the bad actions of a few.
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I'm tired of the coronavirus and politics.

Hopefully 2021 is a better year.
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