Well, he's a decent backup, but he's no franchise QB. That is becoming painfully obvious. I'd like to emphasize PAINFULLY, because we have so many needs on defense, we really can't afford to trade up for Trevor Lawrence or God forbid, waste a draft pick on an inevitable bust like Trey Lance or Justin Fields. Knowing Caldwell, if he's still here, he'll trade away one of our first round picks to the Jets for QB Sam Darnold, once they select Trevor Lawrence #1 overall.

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2nd worst rushing defense last week, less than 20 rushing plays and about a 2-1 pass to rush ratio. Worst rushing defense this week, less than 20 rushing plays and about a 2.5-1 pass to rush ratio.

Minshew is doing fine considering his coordinator is starting to look incompetent and the rest of the league is picking up on this.

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I agree with both of you. I've said before he does at least the whole season to prove himself and I'm sticking with that. I do think that people like to have knee jerk reactions and they have gotten more frequent regarding him the past few weeks. Even in games where he hasn't been the biggest problem and actually did enough to help the team win. People thing that getting someone like Trevor Lawrence may solve a lot of the Jags problems but that may not be the case. I still believe he is good enough to be a starter. He makes some mistakes but he still looks like a starter IMO and looks much better than some of the other starting young QB's around his age. 

I agree, he is not going to decide to be a long term backup. Unless he ends up having injury issues and just wants to stay on a team or something like that. He's going to want a chance to go somewhere else and start. And if he's healthy and able he will. At the very least he will try and do what a Case Keenum has done, like find a good team like the Vikings were at the time and try and do something with them. I could see him going to a good team like the Saints/Steelers (after their QB's retire, but they still aren't bad enough to get a top draft pick) and vying for a starting job.

I don't understand why Jay keeps going away from the run when it proves to be effective. Listening to some of his press conferences it kind of sounds like he feels that the Jags run the ball enough in these games. He needs to focus on what works.

2nd worst rushing defense last week, less than 20 rushing plays and about a 2-1 pass to rush ratio. Worst rushing defense this week, less than 20 rushing plays and about a 2.5-1 pass to rush ratio.

Minshew is doing fine considering his coordinator is starting to look incompetent and the rest of the league is picking up on this.

No. He's not. I desperately wanted him to be our franchise QB, but he just isn't.

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2nd worst rushing defense last week, less than 20 rushing plays and about a 2-1 pass to rush ratio. Worst rushing defense this week, less than 20 rushing plays and about a 2.5-1 pass to rush ratio.

Minshew is doing fine considering his coordinator is starting to look incompetent and the rest of the league is picking up on this.

No. He's not. I desperately wanted him to be our franchise QB, but he just isn't.

For a 2nd year player with a coordinator who can't fool anyone with his play calls, he is actually doing outstanding.

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No. He's not. I desperately wanted him to be our franchise QB, but he just isn't.

For a 2nd year player with a coordinator who can't fool anyone with his play calls, he is actually doing outstanding.

You and I must not be watching the same player. He holds the ball too long and he's panicking and not going through his reads. He's also dinking and dunking late in games when we are down by double figures, because he apparently doesn't have the confidence to make certain throws. That is far from outstanding.

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For a 2nd year player with a coordinator who can't fool anyone with his play calls, he is actually doing outstanding.

You and I must not be watching the same player. He holds the ball too long and he's panicking and not going through his reads. He's also dinking and dunking late in games when we are down by double figures, because he apparently doesn't have the confidence to make certain throws. That is far from outstanding.

He is not the coordinator. You run the plays that are called. Dinking and dunking is Gruden's gameplan.

We saw last year he isn't afraid to throw down field, but plays have to be designed to go down field as an early option.

When the deep route is the third or fourth option in your progression, you will tend to hold the ball to long because by the time you get through the progression and then set up to go deep, the pass rush is on to you.

But that's not on Minshew. That's on Gruden's play design.

Gruden's play calling makes the offense one dimensional and on top of that, he guarantees a pass play pretty much every time Thompson takes the field by only giving him 6 carries in 5 games which allows the defense to go in full pass prevent mode. Even Robinson's fumble was a pass play that that didn't work.

Gruden is making this offense incredibly difficult to run, and for Minshew to be able to at least get something out of this offense while Gruden does every stupid thing possible to to make it easy to defend is pretty impressive.

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Minshew is still my guy right now. We'll see how the season goes.

And yeah, if we end up with the first pick or Lawrence is at wherever we pick, obviously take him. But don't trade up to get him.

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He's checking down too much. That's on him.

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He is not the coordinator. You run the plays that are called. Dinking and dunking is Gruden's gameplan.

We saw last year he isn't afraid to throw down field, but plays have to be designed to go down field as an early option.

When the deep route is the third or fourth option in your progression, you will tend to hold the ball to long because by the time you get through the progression and then set up to go deep, the pass rush is on to you.

But that's not on Minshew. That's on Gruden's play design.

Gruden's play calling makes the offense one dimensional and on top of that, he guarantees a pass play pretty much every time Thompson takes the field by only giving him 6 carries in 5 games which allows the defense to go in full pass prevent mode. Even Robinson's fumble was a pass play that that didn't work.

Gruden is making this offense incredibly difficult to run, and for Minshew to be able to at least get something out of this offense while Gruden does every stupid thing possible to to make it easy to defend is pretty impressive.

He's checking down too much. That's on him.

Yeah can’t really see how good Gruden’s plays are when Minshew is checking down.

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I’m glad so many on here are privy to our playbook. Frankly no one on here knows whether the dink’s and dunks are check downs or the primary read.

With so many being quick hitters I’d say they’re called a lot of the time, with many also checking down here and there. West coast offense is timing on short patterns, I’d say minshew is operating the offense.

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He is not the coordinator. You run the plays that are called. Dinking and dunking is Gruden's gameplan.

We saw last year he isn't afraid to throw down field, but plays have to be designed to go down field as an early option.

When the deep route is the third or fourth option in your progression, you will tend to hold the ball to long because by the time you get through the progression and then set up to go deep, the pass rush is on to you.

But that's not on Minshew. That's on Gruden's play design.

Gruden's play calling makes the offense one dimensional and on top of that, he guarantees a pass play pretty much every time Thompson takes the field by only giving him 6 carries in 5 games which allows the defense to go in full pass prevent mode. Even Robinson's fumble was a pass play that that didn't work.

Gruden is making this offense incredibly difficult to run, and for Minshew to be able to at least get something out of this offense while Gruden does every stupid thing possible to to make it easy to defend is pretty impressive.

He's checking down too much. That's on him.

He is having to check down because Gruden turns the offense one dimensional and the defense can concentrate on coverage and rushing the QB. Gruden is allowing the defense to make that his only available option.

Tom Brady in his prime wouldn't flourish under Gruden's easily read and defended one dimensional dink and dunk play calling.

When you call about 55 pass plays against the worst run defense in the league you are completely out of touch with how to run an offensive game plan and easy prey for even the worst defenses in the league. That's not on Minshew.

Maybe getting fired from Washington damaged his psyche because each game he has looked more and more incompetent as an OC.

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I’m glad so many on here are privy to our playbook. Frankly no one on here knows whether the dink’s and dunks are check downs or the primary read.

With so many being quick hitters I’d say they’re called a lot of the time, with many also checking down here and there. West coast offense is timing on short patterns, I’d say minshew is operating the offense.

I mean was it's Minshew's fault that we had first and goal at the 6 towards the end of the first half and Robinson is taken out of the game? Our only true rushing threat in that situation never sees a snap? Not even in there just to keep the defense honest? A guy who has rushed for and caught TD's in that very situation? That was mind blowing for me and just further demonstrated Gruden's incompetence.

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I agree with both of you. I've said before he does at least the whole season to prove himself and I'm sticking with that. I do think that people like to have knee jerk reactions and they have gotten more frequent regarding him the past few weeks. Even in games where he hasn't been the biggest problem and actually did enough to help the team win. People thing that getting someone like Trevor Lawrence may solve a lot of the Jags problems but that may not be the case. I still believe he is good enough to be a starter. He makes some mistakes but he still looks like a starter IMO and looks much better than some of the other starting young QB's around his age. 

I agree, he is not going to decide to be a long term backup. Unless he ends up having injury issues and just wants to stay on a team or something like that. He's going to want a chance to go somewhere else and start. And if he's healthy and able he will. At the very least he will try and do what a Case Keenum has done, like find a good team like the Vikings were at the time and try and do something with them. I could see him going to a good team like the Saints/Steelers (after their QB's retire, but they still aren't bad enough to get a top draft pick) and vying for a starting job.

I don't understand why Jay keeps going away from the run when it proves to be effective. Listening to some of his press conferences it kind of sounds like he feels that the Jags run the ball enough in these games. He needs to focus on what works.

2nd worst rushing defense last week, less than 20 rushing plays and about a 2-1 pass to rush ratio. Worst rushing defense this week, less than 20 rushing plays and about a 2.5-1 pass to rush ratio.

Minshew is doing fine considering his coordinator is starting to look incompetent and the rest of the league is picking up on this.

I hear you complaining about the number of runs, but our backs weren't getting a ton of yards today when we did run it.  The Texans YPC was over 2 yards better than ours, they only ran it 22 times, and were ahead the majority of the game.

You can't always blame the coach every time Minshew looks pedestrian.  At some point, if you have a franchise QB, he has got to make some plays for you.  He looked pretty hesitant today.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

2nd worst rushing defense last week, less than 20 rushing plays and about a 2-1 pass to rush ratio. Worst rushing defense this week, less than 20 rushing plays and about a 2.5-1 pass to rush ratio.

Minshew is doing fine considering his coordinator is starting to look incompetent and the rest of the league is picking up on this.

I hear you complaining about the number of runs, but our backs weren't getting a ton of yards today when we did run it.  The Texans YPC was over 2 yards better than ours, they only ran it 22 times, and were ahead the majority of the game.

You can't always blame the coach every time Minshew looks pedestrian.  At some point, if you have a franchise QB, he has got to make some plays for you.  He looked pretty hesitant today.

We called 17 run plays against the worst rushing defense in the league. Only 14 carries by Robinson. We were only down by 3 points in the half.

Competent OC's don't give up on the run in a close game even if they get a few stops, especially against the worst rushing defense in the league. That's Football 101. You also don't sit your best back when you are first and goal from the 6.

There is no excuse for Gruden. That is pure incompetence. You can't blame Minshew for that.

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Commentatories described Minshew going through his reads and looking off safeties. Not bad for a 2nd year guy. When the offense became predictable Minshew played worse I wonder why? Maybe the Texans were able to Tee off on him?

Honestly we have need a good TE for eons now and still don't have one. We get a gift with an undrafted RB and then run some squirrely nonsense.

Team doom

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I hear you complaining about the number of runs, but our backs weren't getting a ton of yards today when we did run it.  The Texans YPC was over 2 yards better than ours, they only ran it 22 times, and were ahead the majority of the game.

You can't always blame the coach every time Minshew looks pedestrian.  At some point, if you have a franchise QB, he has got to make some plays for you.  He looked pretty hesitant today.

We called 17 run plays against the worst rushing defense in the league. Only 14 carries by Robinson. We were only down by 3 points in the half.

Competent OC's don't give up on the run in a close game even if they get a few stops, especially against the worst rushing defense in the league. That's Football 101.  You also don't sit your best back when you are first and goal from the 6.

There is no excuse for Gruden. That is pure incompetence. You can't blame Minshew for that.

I mean, you keep saying they are the worst rushing offense in the League statistically, but our running backs were on getting 3.5 yards per carry against them... that's terrible.  Houston rushed for 5.9 YPC and we have been over 5 YPC the first 4 games.  It wasn't working today.  And then we got behind and had to throw it.  I'm not "blaming" Minshew.  I like him and hope will be our solid backup for a long time.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

We called 17 run plays against the worst rushing defense in the league. Only 14 carries by Robinson. We were only down by 3 points in the half.

Competent OC's don't give up on the run in a close game even if they get a few stops, especially against the worst rushing defense in the league. That's Football 101.  You also don't sit your best back when you are first and goal from the 6.

There is no excuse for Gruden. That is pure incompetence. You can't blame Minshew for that.

I mean, you keep saying they are the worst rushing offense in the League statistically, but our running backs were on getting 3.5 yards per carry against them... that's terrible.  Houston rushed for 5.9 YPC and we have been over 5 YPC the first 4 games.  It wasn't working today.  And then we got behind and had to throw it.  I'm not "blaming" Minshew.  I like him and hope will be our solid backup for a long time.

Robinson averaged 3.7 yards a carry. That is an acceptable average. What isn't acceptable is he had a total of 13 carries with one being a botched pass play that was fumbled and counted as a -4 yard rushing loss, so only 12 called run plays for him on which he averaged an excellent 4.3 yards per carry. We also only called 6 running plays the entire second half. We called about 55 passing plays which came with two turnovers and 3 sacks. That is horrible play calling.

Like any knowledgeable football person knows, you don't just give up on the run when you are playing the worst run defense in the league, especially when your main RB is averaging an excellent 4.3 yards per run play. Committing to running the ball wears down defenses and typically opens up bigger running plays and keeps apposing offenses off the field. It also keeps the defense honest and opens up the passing game. When you don't run the ball enough you are leaving your QB at the mercy of the defense and allow them to concentrate on covering the pass making the passing game much more difficult to execute.

The results of Gruden's failure to commit to the run against poor rushing defenses has spoken for itself 2 weeks in a row now.

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I mean, you keep saying they are the worst rushing offense in the League statistically, but our running backs were on getting 3.5 yards per carry against them... that's terrible.  Houston rushed for 5.9 YPC and we have been over 5 YPC the first 4 games.  It wasn't working today.  And then we got behind and had to throw it.  I'm not "blaming" Minshew.  I like him and hope will be our solid backup for a long time.

Robinson averaged 3.7 yards a carry. That is an acceptable average. What isn't acceptable is he had a total of 13 carries with one being a botched pass play that was fumbled and counted as a -4 yard rushing loss, so only 12 called run plays for him on which he averaged an excellent 4.3 yards per carry. We also only called 6 running plays the entire second half. We called about 55 passing plays which came with two turnovers and 3 sacks. That is horrible play calling.

Like any knowledgeable football person knows, you don't just give up on the run when you are playing the worst run defense in the league, especially when your main RB is averaging an excellent 4.3 yards per run play. Committing to running the ball wears down defenses and typically opens up bigger running plays and keeps apposing offenses off the field. It also keeps the defense honest and opens up the passing game. When you don't run the ball enough you are leaving your QB at the mercy of the defense and allow them to concentrate on covering the pass making the passing game much more difficult to execute.

The results of Gruden's failure to commit to the run against poor rushing defenses has spoken for itself 2 weeks in a row now.

You're cherry-picking your stats, dude.  You can't say "well I didn't like that play, so it doesn't count".  It all counts. His average was a TERRIBLE 3.7 YPC.  And even with your fake and inflated stats, 4.3 YPC is not excellent... it is completely average.   Obviously your Football IQ is lacking... "like any knowledgeable football person knows".  lmao

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

Robinson averaged 3.7 yards a carry. That is an acceptable average. What isn't acceptable is he had a total of 13 carries with one being a botched pass play that was fumbled and counted as a -4 yard rushing loss, so only 12 called run plays for him on which he averaged an excellent 4.3 yards per carry. We also only called 6 running plays the entire second half. We called about 55 passing plays which came with two turnovers and 3 sacks. That is horrible play calling.

Like any knowledgeable football person knows, you don't just give up on the run when you are playing the worst run defense in the league, especially when your main RB is averaging an excellent 4.3 yards per run play. Committing to running the ball wears down defenses and typically opens up bigger running plays and keeps apposing offenses off the field. It also keeps the defense honest and opens up the passing game. When you don't run the ball enough you are leaving your QB at the mercy of the defense and allow them to concentrate on covering the pass making the passing game much more difficult to execute.

The results of Gruden's failure to commit to the run against poor rushing defenses has spoken for itself 2 weeks in a row now.

You're cherry-picking your stats, dude.  You can't say "well I didn't like that play, so it doesn't count".  It all counts.  His average was a TERRIBLE 3.7 YPC.  And even with your fake and inflated stats, 4.3 YPC is not excellent... it is completely average.   Obviously your Football IQ is lacking... "like any knowledgeable football person knows".  lmao

3.7 isn't "terrible". Heck, it's higher than multiple teams' season average and tied with the lowly bills average.

By your logic, these teams should no longer run the football, which is completely ignorant.

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Are we sure we want to be so quick to give up on him? https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/c...downs/DESC

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