Are we sure we want to be so quick to give up on him? https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/c...downs/DESC

"Stats don't tell the whole story"
and
"garbage time stats"

I haven't seen anything so far this season to convince me Minshew is the long term answer at all, which to me we were needing coming into the season.
I also haven't seen anything that tells me he can't be the guy for the immediate future. He makes plays and is playing within the system and plays given to him. One thing or another seems off every game, whether its WRs not open, OL protection failing, OC play calling or Minshew holding the ball and not seeing the field.

He'll never be the QB that makes everything work better around him. And for that I can't argue with people that want to draft a QB they feel CAN do that.
I'm just not sold that any QB is a sure fire pick to do such a thing. I still think the total team around the QB matters. I question people who think Sunshine comes in and instantly makes us a playoff contender. 
So often I see great QBs go to bad teams and end up looking bad. 

For me... jury's still out on Minshew but I don't see the team being much better going forward and without him creating wins and putting the team on his back, it is looking like his days as starter are numbered.

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Are we sure we want to be so quick to give up on him? https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/c...downs/DESC

"Stats don't tell the whole story"
and
"garbage time stats"

I haven't seen anything so far this season to convince me Minshew is the long term answer at all, which to me we were needing coming into the season.
I also haven't seen anything that tells me he can't be the guy for the immediate future. He makes plays and is playing within the system and plays given to him. One thing or another seems off every game, whether its WRs not open, OL protection failing, OC play calling or Minshew holding the ball and not seeing the field.

He'll never be the QB that makes everything work better around him. And for that I can't argue with people that want to draft a QB they feel CAN do that.
I'm just not sold that any QB is a sure fire pick to do such a thing. I still think the total team around the QB matters. I question people who think Sunshine comes in and instantly makes us a playoff contender. 
So often I see great QBs go to bad teams and end up looking bad. 

For me... jury's still out on Minshew but I don't see the team being much better going forward and without him creating wins and putting the team on his back, it is looking like his days as starter are numbered.

Yeah for sure we need better coaching staff. At some point though we have to risk it and try and go for an elite QB talent. It’s always going to be a risk and probably more often than not you won’t hit, but at some point we will. You HAVE to take some risk if you want to be a winning franchise and I think we have done that with Minshew. If you’re playing conservative you don’t ship off Foles for an unproven 6th round pick, but we did and I’m glad we did. 

I won’t pretend to be a college scout expert and can’t say whether this QB class is better than the last, but if you are picking in the top 5, you probably have not found your elite QB talent yet.

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You're cherry-picking your stats, dude.  You can't say "well I didn't like that play, so it doesn't count".  It all counts.  His average was a TERRIBLE 3.7 YPC.  And even with your fake and inflated stats, 4.3 YPC is not excellent... it is completely average.   Obviously your Football IQ is lacking... "like any knowledgeable football person knows".  lmao

3.7 isn't "terrible". Heck, it's higher than multiple teams' season average and tied with the lowly bills average.

By your logic, these teams should no longer run the football, which is completely ignorant.

You are CLUELESS.  The Bills suck at running the ball this year, they average only 3 more carries per game than us, and they are not playing from behind all game like we are. That is like saying "well, our defense is actually pretty good this year because we are giving up 65 yards per game less than the 5-0 Seahawks." Your ridiculous argument has absolutely ZERO logic. Its comical.

3.7 YPC would put you at 29th in the League right now. If that is not "terrible", please tell me what is.  Your ignorance is truly astonishing.  Washington is ranked at the bottom of the League with 3.5 YPC. And if you want to cherry-pick stats, if you take out Robinson's ONE good14-yard run, he averaged a HORRENDOUS 2.8 yards per carry after that.  If its working, then great... run the ball. However, it was not.

But sure, you keep demanding we hand the ball off to him when we are down 20-7 in the 2nd half when our run game is getting stuffed.  Complete ignorance.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

The thing about "elite" QB talent is that actually finding it is a crap shoot.

Looking at the starters in the NFL last week the #1 overall picks in 4 of the last 5 drafts were starting QBs on Sunday. The one exception? Mahomes, who's probably the best in the League right now who was taken 10th in 2017. And people have been up and down on lots of QB draft picks like:

2016 - Goff and Wentz who went 2nd and he's awful now too.
2017 - Trubisky (2), Watson (12) are both less than Mahomes
2018 - Mayfield (Meh) and Darnold (3, Awful) with Josh Allen (7) and Lamar (32) the best of that bunch so far
2019 - Kyler and Daniel Jones (6, meh) are both about as good as GM15 from that draft, the WFT already dumped their overdrafted QB while Denver has an injury prone 2nd round guy they kind of like.
2020 - Burrow doesn't have enough games yet but looks good, Herbert would still be on the bench if Tyrod Taylor didn't puncture a lung.

That's a lot of draft capital used to get a bunch of guys who aren't saviors. Go back any earlier and the next youngest #1 QB is Stafford who is in his 11th year and hasn't won anything.

Bottom line, every draft has can't miss guys who miss. Not to say we shouldn't try, but even if they hit on a star that one guy can't win by himself without coaching and a team around him.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

"Stats don't tell the whole story"
and
"garbage time stats"

I haven't seen anything so far this season to convince me Minshew is the long term answer at all, which to me we were needing coming into the season.
I also haven't seen anything that tells me he can't be the guy for the immediate future. He makes plays and is playing within the system and plays given to him. One thing or another seems off every game, whether its WRs not open, OL protection failing, OC play calling or Minshew holding the ball and not seeing the field.

He'll never be the QB that makes everything work better around him. And for that I can't argue with people that want to draft a QB they feel CAN do that.
I'm just not sold that any QB is a sure fire pick to do such a thing. I still think the total team around the QB matters. I question people who think Sunshine comes in and instantly makes us a playoff contender. 
So often I see great QBs go to bad teams and end up looking bad. 

For me... jury's still out on Minshew but I don't see the team being much better going forward and without him creating wins and putting the team on his back, it is looking like his days as starter are numbered.

Yeah for sure we need better coaching staff. At some point though we have to risk it and try and go for an elite QB talent. It’s always going to be a risk and probably more often than not you won’t hit, but at some point we will. You HAVE to take some risk if you want to be a winning franchise and I think we have done that with Minshew. If you’re playing conservative you don’t ship off Foles for an unproven 6th round pick, but we did and I’m glad we did. 

I won’t pretend to be a college scout expert and can’t say whether this QB class is better than the last, but if you are picking in the top 5, you probably have not found your elite QB talent yet.

That's the thing; we have "risked it all" and then continually drafted to try and make the team fit the QB (and hence, retroactively justify the pick) multiple times:

Leftwich in 2003 
Gabbert in 2011
Bortles in 2014

We are 0-3 on high first round QB's. 

It's a crapshoot, and what's worse, it can muck the waters for future drafts. 

I'm not saying don't draft a QB at all next year; but don't reach because you need one, because at his floor, Minshew is a good placeholder who can deliver some wins with other talent on the field. That's not a bad floor to be at, frankly.

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3.7 isn't "terrible". Heck, it's higher than multiple teams' season average and tied with the lowly bills average.

By your logic, these teams should no longer run the football, which is completely ignorant.

You are CLUELESS.  The Bills suck at running the ball this year, they average only 3 more carries per game than us, and they are not playing from behind all game like we are.  That is like saying "well, our defense is actually pretty good this year because we are giving up 65 yards per game less than the 5-0 Seahawks."  Your ridiculous argument has absolutely ZERO logic.  Its comical.

3.7 YPC would put you at 29th in the League right now.  If that is not "terrible", please tell me what is.  Your ignorance is truly astonishing.  Washington is ranked at the bottom of the League with 3.5 YPC.  And if you want to cherry-pick stats, if you take out Robinson's ONE good14-yard run, he averaged a HORRENDOUS 2.8 yards per carry after that.  If its working, then great... run the ball.  However, it was not.  

But sure, you keep demanding we hand the ball off to him when we are down 20-7 in the 2nd half when our run game is getting stuffed.  Complete ignorance.

As a team we averaged 3.8 which is as good or better than the season average of the two teams leading the division who both run the ball more per game than we do, and neither just played back to back the two worst run defenses in the NFL.

We were down 3 point's at half time and up 3 points the week before against the two worst rushing defenses in the league, so there is no excuse for not rushing the ball more.

If you don't understand the correlation between running the ball and winning games, then you don't understand a fundamental concept of football which is pathetic.

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Minshew will get the rest of this season to prove he is the man. There are a ton of things to like about him. The GM has failed to put enough talent around him.

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You are CLUELESS.  The Bills suck at running the ball this year, they average only 3 more carries per game than us, and they are not playing from behind all game like we are.  That is like saying "well, our defense is actually pretty good this year because we are giving up 65 yards per game less than the 5-0 Seahawks."  Your ridiculous argument has absolutely ZERO logic.  Its comical.

3.7 YPC would put you at 29th in the League right now.  If that is not "terrible", please tell me what is.  Your ignorance is truly astonishing.  Washington is ranked at the bottom of the League with 3.5 YPC.  And if you want to cherry-pick stats, if you take out Robinson's ONE good14-yard run, he averaged a HORRENDOUS 2.8 yards per carry after that.  If its working, then great... run the ball.  However, it was not.  

But sure, you keep demanding we hand the ball off to him when we are down 20-7 in the 2nd half when our run game is getting stuffed.  Complete ignorance.

As a team we averaged 3.8 which is as good or better than the season average of the two teams leading the division who both run the ball more per game than we do, and neither just played back to back the two worst run defenses in the NFL.

We were down 3 point's at half time and up 3 points the week before against the two worst rushing defenses in the league, so there is no excuse for not rushing the ball more.

If you don't understand the correlation between running the ball and winning games, then you don't understand a fundamental concept of football which is pathetic.

Yes.  And giving up 417 yards per game on defense ranks us 29th in the League... but better than one of our division leaders (Tennessee) and ahead of the undefeated 5-0 Seahawks.  So that must be good too, right?  Such reductionist and clueless logic... you are hilarious.

I am all for running the ball... if it is working.  Like I said, if you think 3.7 or 3.8 YPC is good, it just shows how uneducated you are.  Any simpleton understands that is poor and ranks in the bottom 5 in the League.  But I will keep on schooling you if you'd like.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

Yeah for sure we need better coaching staff. At some point though we have to risk it and try and go for an elite QB talent. It’s always going to be a risk and probably more often than not you won’t hit, but at some point we will. You HAVE to take some risk if you want to be a winning franchise and I think we have done that with Minshew. If you’re playing conservative you don’t ship off Foles for an unproven 6th round pick, but we did and I’m glad we did. 

I won’t pretend to be a college scout expert and can’t say whether this QB class is better than the last, but if you are picking in the top 5, you probably have not found your elite QB talent yet.

That's the thing; we have "risked it all" and then continually drafted to try and make the team fit the QB (and hence, retroactively justify the pick) multiple times:

Leftwich in 2003 
Gabbert in 2011
Bortles in 2014

We are 0-3 on high first round QB's. 

It's a crapshoot, and what's worse, it can muck the waters for future drafts. 

I'm not saying don't draft a QB at all next year; but don't reach because you need one, because at his floor, Minshew is a good placeholder who can deliver some wins with other talent on the field. That's not a bad floor to be at, frankly.

I think that is more an indication of the scouting we have done than the process involved. You have to take chances if the elite talent is there. If it isn’t roll BAP and I’m OK with Minshew again next year. 

The question this year is if Minshew would progress and become the man. I don’t see it.

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As a team we averaged 3.8 which is as good or better than the season average of the two teams leading the division who both run the ball more per game than we do, and neither just played back to back the two worst run defenses in the NFL.

We were down 3 point's at half time and up 3 points the week before against the two worst rushing defenses in the league, so there is no excuse for not rushing the ball more.

If you don't understand the correlation between running the ball and winning games, then you don't understand a fundamental concept of football which is pathetic.

Yes.  And giving up 416 yards per game on defense ranks us 29th in the League... but better than one of our division leaders (Tennessee) and ahead of the 5-0 Seahawks.  So that must be good too, right?  Such reductionist and clueless logic... you are hilarious.

I am all for running the ball... if it is working.  Like I said, if you think 3.7 or 3.8 YPC is good, it just shows how uneducated you are.  Any simpleton understands that is poor and ranks in the bottom 5 in the League.  But I will keep on schooling you if you'd like.

We were only down 6 points late in the 3rd qtr with a 3rd and 2 on Houston's 9 when the incompetent Gruden decided to abandon the "terrible" 3.8 avg run game and throw the ball twice. On 4th and 1 he has are RB with a "terrible" 3.7 avg try a pass play which resulted in a TO and momentum swing. If you don't understand how stupid that was or how horrible of a game plan to call 55 pass plays against the leagues worst rush defense, then you make a simpleton look like Einstein.

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That's the thing; we have "risked it all" and then continually drafted to try and make the team fit the QB (and hence, retroactively justify the pick) multiple times:

Leftwich in 2003 
Gabbert in 2011
Bortles in 2014

We are 0-3 on high first round QB's. 

It's a crapshoot, and what's worse, it can muck the waters for future drafts. 

I'm not saying don't draft a QB at all next year; but don't reach because you need one, because at his floor, Minshew is a good placeholder who can deliver some wins with other talent on the field. That's not a bad floor to be at, frankly.

You have to take chances if the elite talent is there. If it isn’t roll BAP and I’m OK with Minshew again next year. 

Agreed. If we're picking first overall, take Lawrence. Although I'm not as high on him as some, I can not deny the kid's talent or deny that picking first overall means Minshew likely isn't "the guy".

If we're picking 3rd-5th, It is a bit more muddled. I want to see Fields play before being sold on him being a top 5 pick. I'm not sold on Lance and won't get any more games to watch. I'd like to see how Trask finishes the year. And a few other QBs too. As of right now I'd be more inclined to continue building the team around the QB instead of reaching for a QB. The OL isn't perfect, Robinson is a FA, Linder is always hurt, both guards are unimpressive usually.... There's certainly room to get better there. TE is still lacking a legit weapon. And the defense could use a lot of help.

By college season's end (and Minshew's 2nd season), I may feel differently about when and where to draft a QB.

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Yes.  And giving up 416 yards per game on defense ranks us 29th in the League... but better than one of our division leaders (Tennessee) and ahead of the 5-0 Seahawks.  So that must be good too, right?  Such reductionist and clueless logic... you are hilarious.

I am all for running the ball... if it is working.  Like I said, if you think 3.7 or 3.8 YPC is good, it just shows how uneducated you are.  Any simpleton understands that is poor and ranks in the bottom 5 in the League.  But I will keep on schooling you if you'd like.

We were only down 6 points late in the 3rd qtr with a 3rd and 2 on Houston's 9 when the incompetent Gruden decided to abandon the "terrible" 3.8 avg  run game  and throw the ball twice. On 4th and 1 he has are RB with a "terrible" 3.7 avg try a pass play which resulted in a TO and momentum swing. If you don't understand how stupid that was or how horrible of a game plan to call 55 pass plays against the leagues worst rush defense, then you make a simpleton look like Einstein.

In that one particular instance, we are in agreement.  Terrible play calling there.  So that would get us one or two more rushes in the game.  Happy then?  Houston was also overloading the run at that point anyway, so we may not have gotten it regardless. Your lack of understanding of situational football is quite apparent.

But it doesn't change how poor your simplistic arguments are of thinking a 3.7 YPC average is anything but bad because its better than the undefeated Bills.  That is just plain stupid logic.  Just like saying 417 yards per game allowed isn't bad because its better than the Titans and Seahawks.  lmao

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

That's the thing; we have "risked it all" and then continually drafted to try and make the team fit the QB (and hence, retroactively justify the pick) multiple times:

Leftwich in 2003 
Gabbert in 2011
Bortles in 2014

We are 0-3 on high first round QB's. 

It's a crapshoot, and what's worse, it can muck the waters for future drafts. 

I'm not saying don't draft a QB at all next year; but don't reach because you need one, because at his floor, Minshew is a good placeholder who can deliver some wins with other talent on the field. That's not a bad floor to be at, frankly.

I think that is more an indication of the scouting we have done than the process involved. You have to take chances if the elite talent is there. If it isn’t roll BAP and I’m OK with Minshew again next year. 

The question this year is if Minshew would progress and become the man. I don’t see it.

I think it’s unfair to give a QB 19 games to make a decision on whether he’s the man or not. In Peyton Manning’s first 16 games he definitely did not look like the man, and 5 games into his sophomore season he threw 7 interceptions against 11 touchdowns for a total of 1,395 yards on an average completion pct of 61.62 through those 5 games... During that span the colts boasted a 3-2 record. The team as a whole was obviously better than the jags team as a whole right now, but in strict QB COMPARISON 
Do you think that the colts should have continued to build around Manning or should they have written him off and looked to draft another QB the following draft. Remember, nobody knew he was gonna be HOF bound 5 games into his sophomore season. I’m just saying. 

For the record 5 games into Minshews sophomore season he has 10 TD against 4 INT, for 1,439 yards
On an average completion pct of 69.9...

Side by side they do look pretty comparable in a stats perspective. The jaguars have a lot of problems and until they are addressed the team is not going to be successful no matter who is under center.

Maybe just maybe Minshew isn’t the sole reason for this teams struggles and maybe 5 games into his sophomore season is too soon to be givin up on him...

Give the kid a chance!

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We were only down 6 points late in the 3rd qtr with a 3rd and 2 on Houston's 9 when the incompetent Gruden decided to abandon the "terrible" 3.8 avg  run game  and throw the ball twice. On 4th and 1 he has are RB with a "terrible" 3.7 avg try a pass play which resulted in a TO and momentum swing. If you don't understand how stupid that was or how horrible of a game plan to call 55 pass plays against the leagues worst rush defense, then you make a simpleton look like Einstein.

In that one particular instance, we are in agreement.  Terrible play calling there.  So that would get us one or two more rushes in the game.  Happy then?  Houston was also overloading the run at that point anyway, so we may not have gotten it regardless.  Your lack of understanding of situational football is quite apparent.

But it doesn't change how poor your simplistic arguments are of thinking a 3.7 YPC average is anything but bad because its better than the undefeated Bills.  That is just plain stupid logic.  Just like saying 417 yards per game allowed isn't bad because its better than the Titans and Seahawks.  lmao

When your number 1 RB hasn't gotten more than 17 carries in a game and your number 2 RB has a whopping 6 carries the entire season and you still have to wonder why your 2nd year QB can't pull magic out of his [BLEEP] every week, you don't understand basic football.

Whether you want to believe it or not, Gruden's game plan is crippling this offense and his incompetence is showing more and more each week.

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In that one particular instance, we are in agreement.  Terrible play calling there.  So that would get us one or two more rushes in the game.  Happy then?  Houston was also overloading the run at that point anyway, so we may not have gotten it regardless.  Your lack of understanding of situational football is quite apparent.

But it doesn't change how poor your simplistic arguments are of thinking a 3.7 YPC average is anything but bad because its better than the undefeated Bills.  That is just plain stupid logic.  Just like saying 417 yards per game allowed isn't bad because its better than the Titans and Seahawks.  lmao

When your number 1 RB hasn't gotten more than 17 carries in a game and your number 2 RB has a whopping 6 carries the entire season and you still have to wonder why your 2nd year QB can't pull magic out of his [BLEEP] every week, you don't understand basic football.

Whether you want to believe it or not, Gruden's game plan is crippling this offense and his incompetence is showing more and more each week.

When your #1 back is only getting 3.7 yards per carry against a team (despite their statistical run ranking), he doesn't deserve more carries that game.  Additionally, he is not getting 20 carries a game because we are always playing from behind.  Your lack of understanding with situational football is glaring and you are just presenting yourself here as an emotional and uneducated fan. But keep getting it off your chest man! Let it all out!

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

I think that is more an indication of the scouting we have done than the process involved. You have to take chances if the elite talent is there. If it isn’t roll BAP and I’m OK with Minshew again next year. 

The question this year is if Minshew would progress and become the man. I don’t see it.

I think it’s unfair to give a QB 19 games to make a decision on whether he’s the man or not. In Peyton Manning’s first 16 games he definitely did not look like the man, and 5 games into his sophomore season he threw 7 interceptions against 11 touchdowns for a total of 1,395 yards on an average completion pct of 61.62 through those 5 games... During that span the colts boasted a 3-2 record. The team as a whole was obviously better than the jags team as a whole right now, but in strict QB COMPARISON 
Do you think that the colts should have continued to build around Manning or should they have written him off and looked to draft another QB the following draft. Remember, nobody knew he was gonna be HOF bound 5 games into his sophomore season. I’m just saying. 

For the record 5 games into Minshews sophomore season he has 10 TD against 4 INT, for 1,439 yards
On an average completion pct of 69.9...

Side by side they do look pretty comparable in a stats perspective. The jaguars have a lot of problems and they are not going to be successful no matter who is under center.

Maybe just maybe Minshew isn’t the sole reason for this teams struggles and maybe 5 games into his sophomore season is too soon to be givin up on him...

Give the kid a chance!

Completely reasonable. I think people look at a few different QBs who enjoy success early on and forget that the majority of them have rough patches in their first couple of years. He's looked out of sorts at times but it's not like he's playing badly. He is being asked to share an extraordinary amount of the load for a young player. Since the tacks game, he's averaging 44 pass attempts per game. I'd like him to get down to more like 30. Part of that is because the Jags have been down but it's still asking a lot of the guy. 

If the Jags do end up with the number one pick, I think they got to go for Lawrence even though there's no guarantee he'll be any better. (People see the draft as some magic panacea that will make things all right. They're almost always wrong.)

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I think it’s unfair to give a QB 19 games to make a decision on whether he’s the man or not. In Peyton Manning’s first 16 games he definitely did not look like the man, and 5 games into his sophomore season he threw 7 interceptions against 11 touchdowns for a total of 1,395 yards on an average completion pct of 61.62 through those 5 games... During that span the colts boasted a 3-2 record. The team as a whole was obviously better than the jags team as a whole right now, but in strict QB COMPARISON 
Do you think that the colts should have continued to build around Manning or should they have written him off and looked to draft another QB the following draft. Remember, nobody knew he was gonna be HOF bound 5 games into his sophomore season. I’m just saying. 

For the record 5 games into Minshews sophomore season he has 10 TD against 4 INT, for 1,439 yards
On an average completion pct of 69.9...

Side by side they do look pretty comparable in a stats perspective. The jaguars have a lot of problems and they are not going to be successful no matter who is under center.

Maybe just maybe Minshew isn’t the sole reason for this teams struggles and maybe 5 games into his sophomore season is too soon to be givin up on him...

Give the kid a chance!

Completely reasonable. I think people look at a few different QBs who enjoy success early on and forget that the majority of them have rough patches in their first couple of years. He's looked out of sorts at times but it's not like he's playing badly. He is being asked to share an extraordinary amount of the load for a young player. Since the tacks game, he's averaging 44 pass attempts per game. I'd like him to get down to more like 30. Part of that is because the Jags have been down but it's still asking a lot of the guy. 

If the Jags do end up with the number one pick, I think they got to go for Lawrence even though there's no guarantee he'll be any better. (People see the draft as some magic panacea that will make things all right. They're almost always wrong.)

I think we see so many passes because most of his passes are check downs. Lol

I’m going to admit im horribly bias. I’m bias because of this organizations failures at QB and in the fact that Minshew doesn’t have the pedigree your typical starting QB has. 

I don’t want to waste another 3-4 years watching a team that gets it together on certain aspects and yet we are stuck with a bum qb. The last couple decades have been exhausting and I realize that isn’t fair to Minshew, but it is what it is.

In my opinion you need two things to win a Super Bowl, a good QB and a good defense. Talent around the offense can come from much later in the draft.

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When your number 1 RB hasn't gotten more than 17 carries in a game and your number 2 RB has a whopping 6 carries the entire season and you still have to wonder why your 2nd year QB can't pull magic out of his [BLEEP] every week, you don't understand basic football.

Whether you want to believe it or not, Gruden's game plan is crippling this offense and his incompetence is showing more and more each week.

When your #1 back is only getting 3.7 yards per carry against a team (despite their statistical run ranking), he doesn't deserve more carries that game.  Additionally, he is not getting 20 carries a game because we are always playing from behind.  Your lack of understanding with situational football is glaring and you are just presenting yourself here as an emotional and uneducated fan.  But keep getting it off your chest man!  Let it all out!

There is this thing that people who understand the game call committing to the run. It doesn't matter if you are averaging 3.8 yards a carry. You keep running because you know it will eventually wear down the defense and allows your offense to begin to open up, especially if you are playing the worst run defenses in the league.

We are averaging about 15 run plays a game with only 1 game that you can say we were blown out in. That is one dimensional play calling. Gruden is arena league play calling not NFL play calling.

We played the two worst run defenses in the league and both were able to manipulate him into avoiding their weaknesses. That is pathetic on Gruden's part.

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When your #1 back is only getting 3.7 yards per carry against a team (despite their statistical run ranking), he doesn't deserve more carries that game.  Additionally, he is not getting 20 carries a game because we are always playing from behind.  Your lack of understanding with situational football is glaring and you are just presenting yourself here as an emotional and uneducated fan.  But keep getting it off your chest man!  Let it all out!

There is this thing that people who understand the game call committing to the run. It doesn't matter if you are averaging 3.8 yards a carry. You keep running because you know it will eventually wear down the defense and allows your offense to begin to open up, especially if you are playing the worst run defenses in the league.

We are averaging about 15 run plays a game with only 1 game that you can say we were blown out in. That is one dimensional play calling. Gruden is arena league play calling not NFL play calling.

We played the two worst run defenses in the league and both were able to manipulate him into avoiding their weaknesses. That is pathetic on Gruden's part.

Dude... you are just clueless.  We are averaging 21.4 rushing attempts per game while playing most of the game from behind.  Here is a quick video here to help you out with some of your "facts":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0oa3Qiz5tw

Again, your lack of football IQ thinking that 3.7 YPC is a good average and not understanding situational football (wanting to run on 3rd and 2 when the defense is loaded up to play the run) is just embarrassing.

Do you think our defense is playing well too giving up 417 YPG because its better than Tennessee and Seattle?  C-L-U-E-L-E-S-S.

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This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.

You have to take chances if the elite talent is there. If it isn’t roll BAP and I’m OK with Minshew again next year. 

Agreed. If we're picking first overall, take Lawrence. Although I'm not as high on him as some, I can not deny the kid's talent or deny that picking first overall means Minshew likely isn't "the guy".

If we're picking 3rd-5th, It is a bit more muddled. I want to see Fields play before being sold on him being a top 5 pick. I'm not sold on Lance and won't get any more games to watch. I'd like to see how Trask finishes the year. And a few other QBs too. As of right now I'd be more inclined to continue building the team around the QB instead of reaching for a QB. The OL isn't perfect, Robinson is a FA, Linder is always hurt, both guards are unimpressive usually.... There's certainly room to get better there. TE is still lacking a legit weapon. And the defense could use a lot of help.

By college season's end (and Minshew's 2nd season), I may feel differently about when and where to draft a QB.

I agree. Take Lawrence if we get the #1 overall pick or if he's on the board when we pick, but if he isn't, don't reach for a QB. Take the BAP. We have enough needs on this team that an elite player at any position would certainly help. We reached for Gabbert and Bortles and look what happened. Reaching for a QB with a top 10 pick is never a good idea. I'd rather wait and see what is available with our late first round pick or even our high second round pick. Maybe we can find a proven QB in that range.

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