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Caldwell Fired...


(11-30-2020, 06:57 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: For months, if not years, I have felt my hope for the future of this team slowly drain out of me, replaced by growing apathy.  

Now, for the first time in a long time, I have hope for the future of this team.  

At last, at long long last, Khan is acting like he's actually interested in our results on the field.

I would not be the least bit surprised to learn that Khan is finally acting in order to leverage his Lot J bid. Maybe Lamping finally got in his ear about how city residents are ambivalent about supporting deals with a chronically losing franchise. 

It's doubtful Khan is actually that disconnected, but I have a feeling his positive investment returns tend to cloud his ability to discern the influence of popular opinion.
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(This post was last modified: 11-30-2020, 07:30 AM by TurndownforWatt.)

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post...ity-ensues

Quote:They've known each other since 1995, when O'Brien joined Georgia Tech's staff as a graduate assistant. Marrone was the team's director of football operations. O'Brien's wife introduced Marrone to his wife before either of them knew O'Brien. Marrone later returned the favor, introducing O'Brien and his wife Colleen.
Marrone doesn't remember that introduction, though.
"I probably didn't think Colleen would ever like him," Marrone said. "I couldn't believe she liked him."
Said O'Brien: "His wife is a lot cooler than him."
The two young coaches spent hours together, seeing each other more than they saw their wives.
"Hours were not, you didn’t even question the hours," O'Brien said. "You were in at five in the morning and stayed there until the work got done. Doug was the line coach and I was the running backs coach, so we did a lot of work together. ... That taught us a lot about coaching."
"I don't think either of us could have gone through that alone," Marrone said.
They grew together, becoming position coaches at Georgia Tech before heading in separate directions to pursue their dreams. When Marrone became the [font=Georgia,]New York Jets' offensive line coach in 2002, O'Brien was Georgia Tech's offensive coordinator. When O'Brien made a surprising move to become an offensive assistant with the Patriots in 2007, Marrone was the New Orleans' Saints offensive coordinator, the job that led the way to his first head coaching job.[/font]
They overlapped as college head coaches for one season. Marrone was Syracuse's head coach from 2009 to 2012, while O'Brien led Penn State in 2012 and 2013.
O'Brien called Marrone "blunt" this week. It's a word many use to describe O'Brien, too, part of why they clicked.

It's real life stepbrothers...

Yes.. The Will Farrell movie.
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Khan woke up...
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(11-29-2020, 09:39 PM)SamusAranX Wrote:
(11-29-2020, 07:16 PM)Bullseye Wrote: I knew it was relatively recent.

In hindsight that was probably a hint that Caldwell was this close to gone.

Yeah.

They added a guy with GM experience on a team that went to the Super Bowl.

(11-29-2020, 10:28 PM)Eric1 Wrote: Shad did the same thing in 2012 when he fired Gene Smith. He kept Mike Mularkey as the HC for a few weeks until he hired Dave to be the GM and let him decide.

Lets just hope he gets it right this time.

If peter King's source is to be believed, there are lots of strong GM candidates.

Let's hope Khan gets the best GM of them all for this team.
 

Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!





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The last line of this article:

"If Baalke is still the GM come draft time, don't be surprised if the Jags pick a player coming off a torn ACL. Or two."
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(11-30-2020, 08:19 AM)Bullseye Wrote:
(11-29-2020, 09:39 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: In hindsight that was probably a hint that Caldwell was this close to gone.

Yeah.

They added a guy with GM experience on a team that went to the Super Bowl.

(11-29-2020, 10:28 PM)Eric1 Wrote: Shad did the same thing in 2012 when he fired Gene Smith. He kept Mike Mularkey as the HC for a few weeks until he hired Dave to be the GM and let him decide.

Lets just hope he gets it right this time.

If peter King's source is to be believed, there are lots of strong GM candidates.

Let's hope Khan gets the best GM of them all for this team.

Our next GM may already be affiliated w/the front office.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...
"AZANE"
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And some of you were worried Dave and Doug were going to survive a 1 win season lol
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(11-30-2020, 12:27 AM)maddenisfordorks Wrote: If Caldwell had hit with a QB ... this situation would be radically different.

(Raises glass of Jack)

Here's to another rebuild.

He severely neglected the position, as did Shack Harris and Gene Smith. We need a GM committed to finding the next great QB. We have passed on so many hall of fame worthy QBs over the last 13 years, its disgusting. To think we did so in favor on guys named Leftwich/Garrard, Gabbert, Bortles, and Foles/Minshew. Oh yeah, how could I forget CHAD FREAKING HENNE. lol. 



Good riddance imo. He was a solid GM but its a QB league and he never found one. Get a GM who can.
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I give zero credit to Caldwell for the current cap and draft pick situation. We ejected so much talent starting with Robinson at the WR position. The cap would be a mess if we actually had retained the disgruntled players and where would we be then? The draft picks we like are the ones that fell in his lap. He never matched value to the selection spot, moved around or did anything but stike to his fantasy drafting. Heck he didn't even draft to fit a the coaching scheme.

Marrone is an oline guy and we acquired average line man that aren't great road grades or safe pass protectors. The QBs are all rejects. We suffered through mistake after mistake and the overall product on the field is scrappy and another stupid project going forward.

Good riddance now sweep out the rest. This time I hope they get someone with vision that doesn't just wipe out the players this time.
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A day later, my only question is why this week? Per Rapaport, Doug was assured that he is safe through week 17, which I assumed would be the day everyone got the axe. Is this Baalke's audition? This late in the season, with as many teams depleted by injury and COVID as there are, what really are they going to see from him?

Unlike our previous GM, I do think that Caldwell should and will find work elsewhere. He does have a nose for talent, and anyone who could get draft picks for Blaine Gabbert will have a place at the bargaining table. His biggest flaw was the early round overemphasis of need vs. value (Bortles, Chiasson, Fournette especially), but like our prior GM, when the pressure of filling need waned, both were able to find solid contributors in mid-to-late rounds of the darft.

As others have acknowledged, Dave left the cupboard quite full for his successor, both in picks and cap room. Based on this, we should have our pick of the lot when interviews begin, and while it's an uphill climb, the opportunity to put your stamp on the team will be immediate for the next GM.

Here's hoping they hire the right guy (or gal!)
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I've long been a Caldwell supporter (compared to most of the board anyway) and it wasn't until the 2018 post season that I grew more indifferent about him staying or going. He's had some terrific picks, signings and diamond in the rough finds.
He's also made some terrible decisions and had a number of busts to his credit.

IMO, stripping the 2019 defense of too much talent to compete in 2020 was the final nail in the coffin.
He set this defense up to have very little chance to succeed this year.  I don't hate the "get rid of all the ingrates" strategy they employed in the offseason, but you can't take it so far you're stuck with a secondary devoid of real talent outside a rookie first-rounder with a learning curve to manage. And you certainly can't eject the ingrates while simultaneously cutting the Calais Campbells on your roster for cap space in the same purge.
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Yeah, clearing the cap is easy. Maintaining the cap whilst fielding a competitive team is something different entirely. Caldwell has one winning season through different cap situations. And the losing seasons were typically horrific. He really had to go.
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(11-30-2020, 11:27 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: I've long been a Caldwell supporter (compared to most of the board anyway) and it wasn't until the 2018 post season that I grew more indifferent about him staying or going. He's had some terrific picks, signings and diamond in the rough finds.
He's also made some terrible decisions and had a number of busts to his credit.

IMO, stripping the 2019 defense of too much talent to compete in 2020 was the final nail in the coffin.
He set this defense up to have very little chance to succeed this year.  I don't hate the "get rid of all the ingrates" strategy they employed in the offseason, but you can't take it so far you're stuck with a secondary devoid of real talent outside a rookie first-rounder with a learning curve to manage. And you certainly can't eject the ingrates while simultaneously cutting the Calais Campbells on your roster for cap space in the same purge.

Yeah I think shipping off Campbell was probably his worst move of this past off season. The DL is sorely missing his presence. 
And his approach this off season was too heavy handed much like his first year as GM. You can't get rid of every veteran and rely on so much youth. While it may build up a very talented young core in years to come the current year just looks abysmal at times.
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I think actually Caldwell did the right thing getting rid of the veterans. He realized this team was going nowhere and made the smart moves for the future. Credit to him for that.
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I suspect Mr. Khan will leave the decision about Doug to the new GM...Most want "their guy" so it's pretty slim Marrone will survive. I'd like to see Gruden and KM to be retained as OC and RC
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(11-30-2020, 04:04 AM)NH3 Wrote:
(11-30-2020, 02:29 AM)Eric1 Wrote: Why? Does ending the season at 2-14, or 3-13, really make us look any better in the big picture of things, over ending at 1-15? Honestly?

Hell no it doesn't... All it does is possibly risk our top draft pick. 1 win, or 3 wins... We're trash regardless so why risk it.
I beg to differ on not winning another game and I'm sure that the players and coaches will want to win another game as well. Sitting within TIAA Bank Field while the team continues to lose isn't a good feeling to say the least.

NH3...

This guy disagrees with the Caldwell dismissal. I now 100% would be wary of NH3's opinion. Is he Caldwell's relative?

(11-30-2020, 10:19 AM)Kane Wrote: And some of you were worried Dave and Doug were going to survive a 1 win season lol

Dave has survived many 2 and 3 wins seasons before.

I do not undestand this board and their blind loyalty to this team's management.

I and a few others saw years before the majority of the board that Gene Smith was terrible.

I and a few others was calling for Caldwell's head since 2016. Just bizarre.
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Well, I think it’s just people get used to certain personalities and empathize with them, which isn’t a bad thing, but people forget these guys are making millions and it’s a performance based business.
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(11-30-2020, 05:44 AM)leopold332002 Wrote: All due respect, y'all need to stop whining about jaguars not winning games let them lose as many games as possible because we're not going anywhere anyway so let's secure our draft pick.

+1.
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(11-30-2020, 06:57 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: For months, if not years, I have felt my hope for the future of this team slowly drain out of me, replaced by growing apathy.  

Now, for the first time in a long time, I have hope for the future of this team.  

At last, at long long last, Khan is acting like he's actually interested in our results on the field.

Despite what a select few on here think, Khan has always been interested in how our team plays.

It directly benefits him that we put a good product on the field. 

This decision has been long overdue nonetheless and I'm glad it has been made. Time to move forward especially with a decent arsenal of draft picks and available cap space.

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(11-30-2020, 11:42 AM)Kane Wrote:
(11-30-2020, 11:27 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: I've long been a Caldwell supporter (compared to most of the board anyway) and it wasn't until the 2018 post season that I grew more indifferent about him staying or going. He's had some terrific picks, signings and diamond in the rough finds.
He's also made some terrible decisions and had a number of busts to his credit.

IMO, stripping the 2019 defense of too much talent to compete in 2020 was the final nail in the coffin.
He set this defense up to have very little chance to succeed this year.  I don't hate the "get rid of all the ingrates" strategy they employed in the offseason, but you can't take it so far you're stuck with a secondary devoid of real talent outside a rookie first-rounder with a learning curve to manage. And you certainly can't eject the ingrates while simultaneously cutting the Calais Campbells on your roster for cap space in the same purge.

Yeah I think shipping off Campbell was probably his worst move of this past off season. The DL is sorely missing his presence. 
And his approach this off season was too heavy handed much like his first year as GM. You can't get rid of every veteran and rely on so much youth. While it may build up a very talented young core in years to come the current year just looks abysmal at times.

I agree with you with the Campbell decision. Sure you gained a pick and cleared some cap room when Calais still had value, but look at what we lost since Campbell couldn't complement them:

*Development of 1st round pick Josh Allen
*Possible development of 1st round pick Chaisson
*Lack of pass-rush and hurting development of young secondary

I guess it's all in hindsight, but I am hoping that a NFL GM with a multi-million dollar salary can at least have the foresight to be aware of the possible long-term ramifications of these moves
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