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2020 Presidental Election


(12-03-2020, 12:24 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(12-03-2020, 12:16 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Until the Georgia Senate runoff election is my guess. Stirring up the base.

Speaking of that, 

Trump Allies Urge GA Republicans to Boycott Runoff

It won't go anywhere. Trump has rejected it and will be holding rallies in the state.
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(12-03-2020, 12:10 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(12-03-2020, 11:48 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I knew that lady was  going to take center stage in the media. She was the only witness that looked like a crazy, conspiracy theorist. Her story (not her claims at the end) was corroborated by two witnesses that saw the same thing. That lady was there working on behalf of dominion. I'm sure no one hear watched the actual hearings. There is legit disenfranchisement taking place in this democrat districts.

Come on, man.  Every time one of these crazy election fraud theories gets completely refuted, another one pops up.  How long is this going to go on?

I think the problem is, Trump supporters started with a default position that election fraud happened.  Then they went searching for evidence.  Isn't that backwards?  Aren't you supposed to have some evidence and then make the claim?  

The reason they started with that default position "election fraud happened" was because Trump told them so.  He's the first one to make the claim, and he made the claim without any evidence, because he was making the claim before people even started to vote!  

My default position is "prove it," because the person initiating these claims is the biggest liar in the history of politics.

Have you watched any of these hearings? I've watched over 20 hours of this. There are hundreds of witnesses across multiple states sharing almost the exact same story. There are multiple witnesses that testify that in the democratic districts, republican observers are harassed, intimidated, and thrown out, so that democrats can run the election with no challenging observers. There's multiple instances of people observing ballots being rescanned. Most of these witnesses are credible. Obviously there are some unsubstantiated claims and speculation, which are the only thing that make it in to your neck of the news woods, but there's a lot more going on. You get shown the crazies and accept that narrative without question. That's on you. 

The thing that really pisses me off with political debates is people failing to recognize cause and effect. Sure, Trump lies. He's clearly the most divisive President in our lifetime. Hate is a powerful motivator. I can see how that hate could cause many more people to turn up to vote him out, but you don't think that same hate could cause people to fudge the results to beat him? This election, mainstream democrats have advocated for ballot curing, ballot harvesting, universal mail in voting, not checking signatures, not checking ID, and not throwing out any ballots. In what world is that an acceptable system? And, before you mention it, sure... every state didn't institute all of those things, but you can easily see who is destroying the trust in our system. 

Every time I see "baseless" evidence of voter fraud, I want to punch my monitor. We had a whole hearing on Kavanaugh based off one allegation that was "credible." There are hundreds of people, credible people, who are sharing the same story across multiple states, and it doesn't even make the news. This is a non-partisan issue and you're not even aware of it. I am not saying any of this is enough to overturn the election, but these hearings show that there is a systematic attempt to employ all of the methods listed above in certain democratically controlled districts. 

I can make a list a mile long of anomalies with this election. I really want to, I just haven't found the energy to invest my time in something that is probably going to go nowhere. It's made worse when people like you and NBB want to categorically dismiss the whole thing because it's tied to Trump. Don't look at me like I'm the weird one because I think something fraudulent went down. Trump didn't cause that mistrust. Democrats did.
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(12-03-2020, 12:51 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(12-03-2020, 12:10 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Come on, man.  Every time one of these crazy election fraud theories gets completely refuted, another one pops up.  How long is this going to go on?

I think the problem is, Trump supporters started with a default position that election fraud happened.  Then they went searching for evidence.  Isn't that backwards?  Aren't you supposed to have some evidence and then make the claim?  

The reason they started with that default position "election fraud happened" was because Trump told them so.  He's the first one to make the claim, and he made the claim without any evidence, because he was making the claim before people even started to vote!  

My default position is "prove it," because the person initiating these claims is the biggest liar in the history of politics.

Have you watched any of these hearings? I've watched over 20 hours of this. There are hundreds of witnesses across multiple states sharing almost the exact same story. There are multiple witnesses that testify that in the democratic districts, republican observers are harassed, intimidated, and thrown out, so that democrats can run the election with no challenging observers. There's multiple instances of people observing ballots being rescanned. Most of these witnesses are credible. Obviously there are some unsubstantiated claims and speculation, which are the only thing that make it in to your neck of the news woods, but there's a lot more going on. You get shown the crazies and accept that narrative without question. That's on you. 

The thing that really pisses me off with political debates is people failing to recognize cause and effect. Sure, Trump lies. He's clearly the most divisive President in our lifetime. Hate is a powerful motivator. I can see how that hate could cause many more people to turn up to vote him out, but you don't think that same hate could cause people to fudge the results to beat him? This election, mainstream democrats have advocated for ballot curing, ballot harvesting, universal mail in voting, not checking signatures, not checking ID, and not throwing out any ballots. In what world is that an acceptable system? And, before you mention it, sure... every state didn't institute all of those things, but you can easily see who is destroying the trust in our system. 

Every time I see "baseless" evidence of voter fraud, I want to punch my monitor. We had a whole hearing on Kavanaugh based off one allegation that was "credible." There are hundreds of people, credible people, who are sharing the same story across multiple states, and it doesn't even make the news. This is a non-partisan issue and you're not even aware of it. I am not saying any of this is enough to overturn the election, but these hearings show that there is a systematic attempt to employ all of the methods listed above in certain democratically controlled districts. 

I can make a list a mile long of anomalies with this election. I really want to, I just haven't found the energy to invest my time in something that is probably going to go nowhere. It's made worse when people like you and NBB want to categorically dismiss the whole thing because it's tied to Trump. Don't look at me like I'm the weird one because I think something fraudulent went down. Trump didn't cause that mistrust. Democrats did.

Every ballot has a unique serial number. They might be scanned twice if the machine made an error the first time. They won't be counted twice.
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(This post was last modified: 12-03-2020, 02:08 PM by The Real Marty.)

Here is an excellent article from a conservative publication:

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morni...ets-worse/

Here's a really interesting passage:  

State records also show that Wood has not voted in a Republican primary since 2004, but did request Democrat ballots in the 2006, 2008, 2010, and 2018 primary elections in Georgia. That means that even when Trump was president, in the 2018 midterm elections, Wood requested a Democrat primary ballot in Georgia and voted for Democrats in the primary in the state while Trump was universally backing Republicans there.

So what does this tell us about the lawyers supposedly working for Trump?  

This is the guy who, standing alongside Sydney Powell, is urging Republicans to boycott the runoff election in GA.  He's not even a Republican. 
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(12-03-2020, 02:02 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Here is an excellent article from a conservative publication:

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morni...ets-worse/

Here's a really interesting passage:  

State records also show that Wood has not voted in a Republican primary since 2004, but did request Democrat ballots in the 2006, 2008, 2010, and 2018 primary elections in Georgia. That means that even when Trump was president, in the 2018 midterm elections, Wood requested a Democrat primary ballot in Georgia and voted for Democrats in the primary in the state while Trump was universally backing Republicans there.

So what does this tell us about the lawyers supposedly working for Trump?  

This is the guy who, standing alongside Sydney Powell, is urging Republicans to boycott the runoff election in GA.  He's not even a Republican. 
He isn't a republican, he grew up a democrat. He is just like the majority of people his age in the south who are still democrats but are voting for Trump and republicans. He has also donated to both parties throughout his life.

Depending on where he lives, most of the republicans don't have a primary opponent and in the city it is the opposite.

It's a hit piece without doing any research other than using an old screenshot that has been out there for a while.

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(12-03-2020, 12:59 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-03-2020, 12:51 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Have you watched any of these hearings? I've watched over 20 hours of this. There are hundreds of witnesses across multiple states sharing almost the exact same story. There are multiple witnesses that testify that in the democratic districts, republican observers are harassed, intimidated, and thrown out, so that democrats can run the election with no challenging observers. There's multiple instances of people observing ballots being rescanned. Most of these witnesses are credible. Obviously there are some unsubstantiated claims and speculation, which are the only thing that make it in to your neck of the news woods, but there's a lot more going on. You get shown the crazies and accept that narrative without question. That's on you. 

The thing that really pisses me off with political debates is people failing to recognize cause and effect. Sure, Trump lies. He's clearly the most divisive President in our lifetime. Hate is a powerful motivator. I can see how that hate could cause many more people to turn up to vote him out, but you don't think that same hate could cause people to fudge the results to beat him? This election, mainstream democrats have advocated for ballot curing, ballot harvesting, universal mail in voting, not checking signatures, not checking ID, and not throwing out any ballots. In what world is that an acceptable system? And, before you mention it, sure... every state didn't institute all of those things, but you can easily see who is destroying the trust in our system. 

Every time I see "baseless" evidence of voter fraud, I want to punch my monitor. We had a whole hearing on Kavanaugh based off one allegation that was "credible." There are hundreds of people, credible people, who are sharing the same story across multiple states, and it doesn't even make the news. This is a non-partisan issue and you're not even aware of it. I am not saying any of this is enough to overturn the election, but these hearings show that there is a systematic attempt to employ all of the methods listed above in certain democratically controlled districts. 

I can make a list a mile long of anomalies with this election. I really want to, I just haven't found the energy to invest my time in something that is probably going to go nowhere. It's made worse when people like you and NBB want to categorically dismiss the whole thing because it's tied to Trump. Don't look at me like I'm the weird one because I think something fraudulent went down. Trump didn't cause that mistrust. Democrats did.

Every ballot has a unique serial number. They might be scanned twice if the machine made an error the first time. They won't be counted twice.
They will and can be counted twice. They aren't caught across batches. They could check them once they aggregate them but they would be flagged and adjudicated. The adjudication process is open to fraud as a human who wasn't being watched can just allow, change, or delete the votes.

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(12-03-2020, 11:48 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I knew that lady was going to take center stage in the media. She was the only witness that looked like a crazy, conspiracy theorist. Her story (not her claims at the end) was corroborated by two witnesses that saw the same thing. That lady was there working on behalf of dominion. I'm sure no one hear watched the actual hearings. There is legit disenfranchisement taking place in this democrat districts.
I knew she was going to be a bad witness when I saw her itinal interview. She is too emotional and probably crazy. Her info is backed up though.

There are stupid legislators that just want to make statements instead of actually listen. In GA today the SOS said they didn't clear people out and then continue the count. A rep then says the SOS has backed it up and the story of being kicked out was debunked many times. This is after she watches the surveillance video of them clearing out the building and then starting the count again.

She goes on to say where is the proof.

After she watched the video of them doing it.

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Yeah,

I'm no longer listening to anybody telling me there is no evidence...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keANzinHWUA
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Baseless. Your bias is showing.
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What did Melissa Carone say about the suitcase?
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What did Don Lemon say about it?
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(This post was last modified: 12-04-2020, 10:00 AM by Jagwired.)

Anyone care to attempt to explain those suitcases?
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(12-04-2020, 09:57 AM)Jagwired Wrote: Anyone care to attempt to explain those suitcases?

And why they only pulled them out after kicking everyone out...
What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???
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(This post was last modified: 12-04-2020, 10:02 AM by StroudCrowd1.)

These people didn't just use a foot wedge to move the ball away from the tree base when nobody was looking. They literally picked the ball up and threw it in the middle of the fairway with the rules officials watching.

Joel Biden will be an illegitimate president to half the country. Just think what happened in PA.
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(This post was last modified: 12-04-2020, 10:12 AM by The Real Marty.)

(12-04-2020, 09:57 AM)Jagwired Wrote: Anyone care to attempt to explain those suitcases?

Since all these election fraud theories have fallen apart upon examination, I think the thing to do is ask the people in the video.

For example, 

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020...e99ee81459

The cellphone video shot in the dark by a woman in a parked car appeared to show something ominous: a man closing the doors of a white van and then rolling a wagon with a large box into a Detroit election center.

Within hours, the 90-second clip was being shared on news sites and conservative YouTube accounts, offered as apparent proof that illegal votes were being smuggled in after polls closed. 


[font=FreightText, Georgia, serif]the man depicted was a photojournalist hauling camera equipment, not illegal votes[/font]
[font=FreightText, Georgia, serif]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/font]

[font=FreightText, Georgia, serif]And now, here is another video showing... something.  Surely you can understand why a normal thinking person would be a little bit skeptical.  [/font]
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(12-04-2020, 10:08 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(12-04-2020, 09:57 AM)Jagwired Wrote: Anyone care to attempt to explain those suitcases?

Since all these election fraud theories have fallen apart upon examination, I think the thing to do is ask the people in the video.

That's like asking a prisoner if he did it.
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(12-04-2020, 10:08 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(12-04-2020, 09:57 AM)Jagwired Wrote: Anyone care to attempt to explain those suitcases?

Since all these election fraud theories have fallen apart upon examination, I think the thing to do is ask the people in the video.


I’m sure there’s a perfectly reasonable explanation.
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"The media needs to get interested in this, and they need to get interested quickly."

Yeah, no.

For one, if hours of high resolution video with clear audio showing fraud actually happening were released, the media would pretend it didn't exist. They are not on the side of truth when applied to the left. Especially when it comes to getting rid of the man who called them fake news for four years. Plus, Twitter would ban it and Facebook would unfriend you. Is this a surprise to anyone?

Secondly, there simply isn't enough evidence showing fraud occurred at the levels to overturn the election. The fact of the matter is Trump let his mouth get himself voted out of office. Support him or not, looking at it objectively that is what happened. There were many people who would not have voted, but Trump drove them into the arms of the opposition.

Republicans are doing themselves no favors by dragging this unwinnable argument out. Transition Biden in smoothly, campaign like mad for the Georgia runoff, then get the hell out and start preparing for the next election while enacting as many election oversights and safeguards as possible. Turn the page, the saga continues.
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(12-04-2020, 10:11 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote:
(12-04-2020, 10:08 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Since all these election fraud theories have fallen apart upon examination, I think the thing to do is ask the people in the video.


I’m sure there’s a perfectly reasonable explanation.

Since all these election fraud charges and conspiracy theories have been debunked so far, even by Attorney General Barr the other day, don't you think I would be a little bit skeptical?  Don't you think that before we accept that video as evidence of anything, we should first ask the people in the video what they were doing?
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