I dislike Robinson. I hate Jawaan Taylor and George Warhop. 

Robinson and Taylor have already proven that they can't protect to QB, so it would be a minimal risk to go all in on an upgrade. I just don't get this "gunshy" mentality where you guys are willing to settle for subpar players, because we might not hit on an upgrade. Settling for subpar players is why we were 1-15 last year. We're bringing in what is supposed to be, a generational QB and many of you are willing to try and protect him with below average OT's, because we might end up with someone worse? Really? We know what we have is below average. Why not change our thinking and focus on getting someone better? You say we could end up with someone worse. I say we could end up with someone better. What if we keep Robinson and he doesn't get any better? What if next year's OT class looks like it did in 2019 when the entire class was subpar? Then what? This OT class is arguably better than it's been in 5 years. Both Trent Williams and Riley Reiff are available in free agency. Both would be huge upgrades. Keeping Robinson and starting him opposite Jawaan Taylor for Trevor Lawrence would be inexcusable and an unnecessary risk.

What are they supposed to do at this point? Free agency and the draft hasn't even happened yet.

So they tag Cam to make sure they have an experienced LT on the roster. That is the intelligent thing to do when you have a rookie QB coming in and there are no guarantees they will find an immediate upgrade in free agency or the draft.

Right now Cam is a 1 year insurance policy.


You are acting like they signed him to a big multi year contract.

(Emphasis added)

I agree with you over the need to tag Cam, but I wanted to address the question in bold.

Any player cut or released by a team could be signed before the free agency period begins, so in theory, we could sign Riley Reiff.

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Apparently you haven't seen the interview with Meyer where he said he wants to keep Robinson for a long time

What would you expect him to say? Publicly come out and say he is a short term fix and doesn't see a future in him?

That wouldn't create a disgruntled player.

If he really was sold on keeping Cam, he would have given him a long term contract. Actions speak louder than words.

Sure he wants to keep Cam for a long time if he goes out and performs up to his potential.

I think we all would.

I expect him to say he's our best option and let it die. Not that he wants him around for a long time. Meyer said nothing about "as long as he performs up to his potential." That would be a different narrative. Instead, he was basically praising him for what he has already done, which is nothing. That's a very disheartening message to send to fans. It makes us lose confidence in Meyer's ability to evaluate players.

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This, especially ones drafted 25 or later

Yeah but Oline Matters wants us to reach for some mediocre OT @ 25 because he sees weakness at LT as if he's some harbinger. 

Franchising Cam allows to go BAP @ 25 instead of handcuffing us with some bum OT that can't even play LT

Could you even name 10 OT prospects in this draft without looking them up? I doubt it. You wouldn't know who's a bum and who isn't.

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What are they supposed to do at this point? Free agency and the draft hasn't even happened yet.

So they tag Cam to make sure they have an experienced LT on the roster. That is the intelligent thing to do when you have a rookie QB coming in and there are no guarantees they will find an immediate upgrade in free agency or the draft.

Right now Cam is a 1 year insurance policy.


You are acting like they signed him to a big multi year contract.

(Emphasis added)

I agree with you over the need to tag Cam, but I wanted to address the question in bold.

Any player cut or released by a team could be signed before the free agency period begins, so in theory, we could sign Riley Reiff.

I'm thinking we go all out for Trent Williams, if we can't get him then atleast we have Cam for insurance.  Just because we tagged Cam won't stop us from taking a LT if he's the top player on the board, but by tagging Cam our backs won't be against the wall and make a forced pick at LT because of need.  True BAP like I've wished all along

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14M for the worst player at his position in the league is a hell of a contingency.

Pure hyperbole to call him the worst in the league.

If we acquire someone better, he can be dealt.

If not, you do what you have to do.

Robinson is definitely one of the worst in the league. Jawaan Taylor is definitely worse than Robinson though. Neither of those facts can be argued.

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14M for the worst player at his position in the league is a hell of a contingency.

Pure hyperbole to call him the worst in the league.

If we acquire someone better, he can be dealt.

If not, you do what you have to do.

No it's not, unfortunately. It's been posted in here several times that he has, by a large margin, the worst PFF grade since he has been drafted and I believe it was ESPN stats and info that said he has allowed the most pressures in the league since he was drafted. He missed most of a season and has still allowed the most pressures.

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For years we have been releasing players without contingency plans. I can understand this move.  I hope we have better players but you have to not get into decisions that are forced.

How long have we burned the franchise with forcing the roster into a corner?

14M for the worst player at his position in the league is a hell of a contingency.

Exactly.  I hear so many people refer to him as "insurance", but when you buy insurance, you ask what it costs and what benefits it provides.  Cam Robinson costs a ton and provides little to no protection.

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What would you expect him to say? Publicly come out and say he is a short term fix and doesn't see a future in him?

That wouldn't create a disgruntled player.

If he really was sold on keeping Cam, he would have given him a long term contract. Actions speak louder than words.

Sure he wants to keep Cam for a long time if he goes out and performs up to his potential.

I think we all would.

I expect him to say he's our best option and let it die. Not that he wants him around for a long time. Meyer said nothing about "as long as he performs up to his potential." That would be a different narrative. Instead, he was basically praising him for what he has already done, which is nothing. That's a very disheartening message to send to fans. It makes us you lose confidence in Meyer's ability to evaluate players.

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Yeah but Oline Matters wants us to reach for some mediocre OT @ 25 because he sees weakness at LT as if he's some harbinger. 

Franchising Cam allows to go BAP @ 25 instead of handcuffing us with some bum OT that can't even play LT

Could you even name 10 OT prospects in this draft without looking them up? I doubt it. You wouldn't know who's a bum and who isn't.

Fixed that for you.  Most of us see the big picture.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

I dislike Robinson. I hate Jawaan Taylor and George Warhop. 

Robinson and Taylor have already proven that they can't protect to QB, so it would be a minimal risk to go all in on an upgrade. I just don't get this "gunshy" mentality where you guys are willing to settle for subpar players, because we might not hit on an upgrade. Settling for subpar players is why we were 1-15 last year. We're bringing in what is supposed to be, a generational QB and many of you are willing to try and protect him with below average OT's, because we might end up with someone worse? Really? We know what we have is below average. Why not change our thinking and focus on getting someone better? You say we could end up with someone worse. I say we could end up with someone better. What if we keep Robinson and he doesn't get any better? What if next year's OT class looks like it did in 2019 when the entire class was subpar? Then what? This OT class is arguably better than it's been in 5 years. Both Trent Williams and Riley Reiff are available in free agency. Both would be huge upgrades. Keeping Robinson and starting him opposite Jawaan Taylor for Trevor Lawrence would be inexcusable and an unnecessary risk.

What are they supposed to do at this point? Free agency and the draft hasn't even happened yet.

So they tag Cam to make sure they have an experienced LT on the roster. That is the intelligent thing to do when you have a rookie QB coming in and there are no guarantees they will find an immediate upgrade in free agency or the draft.

Right now Cam is a 1 year insurance policy.


You are acting like they signed him to a big multi year contract.

Apparently you haven't heard Darrisaw is the second coming of Boselli

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Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
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What would you expect him to say? Publicly come out and say he is a short term fix and doesn't see a future in him?

That wouldn't create a disgruntled player.

If he really was sold on keeping Cam, he would have given him a long term contract. Actions speak louder than words.

Sure he wants to keep Cam for a long time if he goes out and performs up to his potential.

I think we all would.

I expect him to say he's our best option and let it die. Not that he wants him around for a long time. Meyer said nothing about "as long as he performs up to his potential." That would be a different narrative. Instead, he was basically praising him for what he has already done, which is nothing. That's a very disheartening message to send to fans. It makes us lose confidence in Meyer's ability to evaluate players.

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Yeah but Oline Matters wants us to reach for some mediocre OT @ 25 because he sees weakness at LT as if he's some harbinger. 

Franchising Cam allows to go BAP @ 25 instead of handcuffing us with some bum OT that can't even play LT

Could you even name 10 OT prospects in this draft without looking them up? I doubt it. You wouldn't know who's a bum and who isn't.

One thing I could do is look up 10 of your whine fest posts and see that you're wrong 90 percent of the time. Who's your bum RT flavor of the week you're going to plug in at LT?

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Your beliefs become your thoughts,
Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
Your values become your destiny.

What are they supposed to do at this point? Free agency and the draft hasn't even happened yet.

So they tag Cam to make sure they have an experienced LT on the roster. That is the intelligent thing to do when you have a rookie QB coming in and there are no guarantees they will find an immediate upgrade in free agency or the draft.

Right now Cam is a 1 year insurance policy.


You are acting like they signed him to a big multi year contract.

Apparently you haven't heard Darrisaw is the second coming of Boselli

That's funny considering he's my #3 rated OT. I wonder what that makes the other two? Darrisaw or several other OT prospects would be a huge upgrade over the garbage we now have. We know what we have now isn't working, so why not take a chance to upgrade the position? Are you one of those fans who are too scared too make a move, because it might not work out? Are you are satisfied with keeping subpar players? It sounds that way. If we wanna become a winning franchise, we have to change that type of thinking. We've been gun shy for way too long and where has that gotten us? We're always picking near the top of the draft and nothing ever changes. 

As far as comparing anyone to Boselli, I would never do that. He was the GOAT. There will never be another Tom Brady and there will never be another Tony Boselli. I'm just looking to upgrade players. If we had a team full of good players with no real stars, I'd be perfectly satisfied. Consistency across the board should bring at least one championship. If Lawrence is half as good as advertised, he will be the best QB this franchise has ever had. The smart thing would be to protect him.

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I expect him to say he's our best option and let it die. Not that he wants him around for a long time. Meyer said nothing about "as long as he performs up to his potential." That would be a different narrative. Instead, he was basically praising him for what he has already done, which is nothing. That's a very disheartening message to send to fans. It makes us lose confidence in Meyer's ability to evaluate players.

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Could you even name 10 OT prospects in this draft without looking them up? I doubt it. You wouldn't know who's a bum and who isn't.

One thing I could do is look up 10 of your whine fest posts and see that you're wrong 90 percent of the time. Who's your bum RT flavor of the week you're going to plug in at LT?

You and Winger just save your whining for the other forum. As far as checking my old post, have at it. I never claimed to be perfect, but 90%? Gimme more credit than that.

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Apparently you haven't heard Darrisaw is the second coming of Boselli

That's funny considering he's my #3 rated OT. I wonder what that makes the other two? Darrisaw or several other OT prospects would be a huge upgrade over the garbage we now have. We know what we have now isn't working, so why not take a chance to upgrade the position? Are you one of those fans who are too scared too make a move, because it might not work out? Are you are satisfied with keeping subpar players? It sounds that way. If we wanna become a winning franchise, we have to change that type of thinking. We've been gun shy for way too long and where has that gotten us? We're always picking near the top of the draft and nothing ever changes. 

As far as comparing anyone to Boselli, I would never do that. He was the GOAT. There will never be another Tom Brady and there will never be another Tony Boselli. I'm just looking to upgrade players. If we had a team full of good players with no real stars, I'd be perfectly satisfied. Consistency across the board should bring at least one championship. If Lawrence is half as good as advertised, he will be the best QB this franchise has ever had. The smart thing would be to protect him.

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One thing I could do is look up 10 of your whine fest posts and see that you're wrong 90 percent of the time. Who's your bum RT flavor of the week you're going to plug in at LT?

You and Winger just save your whining for the other forum. As far as checking my old post, have at it. I never claimed to be perfect, but 90%? Gimme more credit than that.

He's got ya dead to rights.. You whine way too much, hate almost everything this club does and then complain when others call you out on your whining.. 

Just pointing out the obvious, Karen..

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That's funny considering he's my #3 rated OT. I wonder what that makes the other two? Darrisaw or several other OT prospects would be a huge upgrade over the garbage we now have. We know what we have now isn't working, so why not take a chance to upgrade the position? Are you one of those fans who are too scared too make a move, because it might not work out? Are you are satisfied with keeping subpar players? It sounds that way. If we wanna become a winning franchise, we have to change that type of thinking. We've been gun shy for way too long and where has that gotten us? We're always picking near the top of the draft and nothing ever changes. 

As far as comparing anyone to Boselli, I would never do that. He was the GOAT. There will never be another Tom Brady and there will never be another Tony Boselli. I'm just looking to upgrade players. If we had a team full of good players with no real stars, I'd be perfectly satisfied. Consistency across the board should bring at least one championship. If Lawrence is half as good as advertised, he will be the best QB this franchise has ever had. The smart thing would be to protect him.

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You and Winger just save your whining for the other forum. As far as checking my old post, have at it. I never claimed to be perfect, but 90%? Gimme more credit than that.

He's got ya dead to rights.. You whine way too much, hate almost everything this club does and then complain when others call you out on your whining.. 

Just pointing out the obvious, Karen..

And you constantly whine on the political forums, so I guess we're both whiners, just about different things. Funny that you call me "karen." Did you become part of the "woke" crowd?

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He's got ya dead to rights.. You whine way too much, hate almost everything this club does and then complain when others call you out on your whining.. 

Just pointing out the obvious, Karen..

And you constantly whine on the political forums, so I guess we're both whiners, just about different things. Funny that you call me "karen." Did you become part of the "woke" crowd?

The politics affect everyone's financial situation whether it be through stocks, employment, taxes or fees.. I'm not the only one with a lot to say over there regarding those topics..

The Jags are just a football team..

Probably want to get back on topic before a pink name comes in and starts to flip..

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Back on topic please guys.

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Apparently you haven't heard Darrisaw is the second coming of Boselli

That's funny considering he's my #3 rated OT. I wonder what that makes the other two? Darrisaw or several other OT prospects would be a huge upgrade over the garbage we now have. We know what we have now isn't working, so why not take a chance to upgrade the position? Are you one of those fans who are too scared too make a move, because it might not work out? Are you are satisfied with keeping subpar players? It sounds that way. If we wanna become a winning franchise, we have to change that type of thinking. We've been gun shy for way too long and where has that gotten us? We're always picking near the top of the draft and nothing ever changes. 

As far as comparing anyone to Boselli, I would never do that. He was the GOAT. There will never be another Tom Brady and there will never be another Tony Boselli. I'm just looking to upgrade players. If we had a team full of good players with no real stars, I'd be perfectly satisfied. Consistency across the board should bring at least one championship. If Lawrence is half as good as advertised, he will be the best QB this franchise has ever had. The smart thing would be to protect him.

You have no idea if any of these guys would be a huge upgrade especially their rookie year. Actually the chances are pretty slim that they could even play up to Cam's level this coming season.

You keep talking about protecting your QB yet you advocate cutting our most experienced LT and taking a LT in the late first or early second, which means there are question marks on how they will perform if they are still sitting there, and take a chance on that rookie being able to protect our rookie franchise QB's blindside.

That's not committing to protecting him. That's just being extremely callous and cheap.

In reality you are taking a unhedged high risk bet with our QB at stake just so we can say we made a halfassed effort to get a good LT.

Your foolhardy approach to "upgrading" LT could force us into a position that we may have to play someone that makes Cam look like Boselli if things don't happen to fall in the right place.

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That's funny considering he's my #3 rated OT. I wonder what that makes the other two? Darrisaw or several other OT prospects would be a huge upgrade over the garbage we now have. We know what we have now isn't working, so why not take a chance to upgrade the position? Are you one of those fans who are too scared too make a move, because it might not work out? Are you are satisfied with keeping subpar players? It sounds that way. If we wanna become a winning franchise, we have to change that type of thinking. We've been gun shy for way too long and where has that gotten us? We're always picking near the top of the draft and nothing ever changes. 

As far as comparing anyone to Boselli, I would never do that. He was the GOAT. There will never be another Tom Brady and there will never be another Tony Boselli. I'm just looking to upgrade players. If we had a team full of good players with no real stars, I'd be perfectly satisfied. Consistency across the board should bring at least one championship. If Lawrence is half as good as advertised, he will be the best QB this franchise has ever had. The smart thing would be to protect him.

You have no idea if any of these guys would be a huge upgrade especially their rookie year. Actually the chances are pretty slim that they could even play up to Cam's level this coming season.

You keep talking about protecting your QB yet you advocate cutting our most experienced LT and taking a LT in the late first or early second, which means there are question marks on how they will perform if they are still sitting there, and take a chance on that rookie being able to protect our rookie franchise QB's blindside.

That's not committing to protecting him. That's just being extremely callous and cheap.

In reality you are taking a unhedged high risk bet with our QB at stake just so we can say we made a halfassed effort to get a good LT.

Your foolhardy approach to "upgrading" LT could force us into a position that we may have to play someone that makes Cam look like Boselli if things don't happen to fall in the right place.

I don't know why you aren't grasping this concept. Experienced does not equal good. Cam is ranked near the bottom on almost every list of starting OT's in the NFL, so even if we find an average LT in the draft, he'd be a little better than what we now have. That's not just my opinion. Just watch ESPN and follow the "experts" outside of Jacksonville, who do this stuff for a living. Very few people outside of this team have a decent opinion of either one of our OT's. How is keeping a bad LT, a good move? You have to take risks in order to get better. You are apparently too "gun shy" to try and get better, so you settle for the garbage you have. That makes no sense!

Being callous and cheap is keeping a subpar LT like Robinson and expecting him to magically become good enough to protect Lawrence's blindside. 

It's not a high risk bet. It's relatively low risk, because our OT's are so bad. Take those rose colored glasses off and see what everyone outside of Jacksonville sees. Our starting OT's are not good. They aren't even average. We HAVE to take a risk, if we wanna take that next step. What if we did get stuck with the #2 pick instead of #1 and Trevor was gone? Would you avoid taking a QB, because they might be worse than Minshew? I certainly would hope you'd still take a QB. It's the same difference with OT.

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(Emphasis added)

I agree with you over the need to tag Cam, but I wanted to address the question in bold.

Any player cut or released by a team could be signed before the free agency period begins, so in theory, we could sign Riley Reiff.

I'm thinking we go all out for Trent Williams, if we can't get him then atleast we have Cam for insurance.  Just because we tagged Cam won't stop us from taking a LT if he's the top player on the board, but by tagging Cam our backs won't be against the wall and make a forced pick at LT because of need.  True BAP like I've wished all along

Exactly.

However, I am hearing that Trent Williams is about to re-sign with the 49ers.  Hopefully that is not true and he signs with us.  If it IS true, that would be better than him signing with Indy.

If we don't sign him, I wouldn't mind Reiff if Brown is too costly via trade.  Reportedly there were six teams in talks with the Ravens about Brown.  That could serve to drive up the cost.

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The dude on the Athletic podcast yesterday said that we weren't willing to give up 25 for Brown.

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You have no idea if any of these guys would be a huge upgrade especially their rookie year. Actually the chances are pretty slim that they could even play up to Cam's level this coming season.

You keep talking about protecting your QB yet you advocate cutting our most experienced LT and taking a LT in the late first or early second, which means there are question marks on how they will perform if they are still sitting there, and take a chance on that rookie being able to protect our rookie franchise QB's blindside.

That's not committing to protecting him. That's just being extremely callous and cheap.

In reality you are taking a unhedged high risk bet with our QB at stake just so we can say we made a halfassed effort to get a good LT.

Your foolhardy approach to "upgrading" LT could force us into a position that we may have to play someone that makes Cam look like Boselli if things don't happen to fall in the right place.

I don't know why you aren't grasping this concept. Experienced does not equal good. Cam is ranked near the bottom on almost every list of starting OT's in the NFL, so even if we find an average LT in the draft, he'd be a little better than what we now have. That's not just my opinion. Just watch ESPN and follow the "experts" outside of Jacksonville, who do this stuff for a living. Very few people outside of this team have a decent opinion of either one of our OT's. How is keeping a bad LT, a good move? You have to take risks in order to get better. You are apparently too "gun shy" to try and get better, so you settle for the garbage you have. That makes no sense!

Being callous and cheap is keeping a subpar LT like Robinson and expecting him to magically become good enough to protect Lawrence's blindside. 

It's not a high risk bet. It's relatively low risk, because our OT's are so bad. Take those rose colored glasses off and see what everyone outside of Jacksonville sees. Our starting OT's are not good. They aren't even average. We HAVE to take a risk, if we wanna take that next step. What if we did get stuck with the #2 pick instead of #1 and Trevor was gone? Would you avoid taking a QB, because they might be worse than Minshew? I certainly would hope you'd still take a QB. It's the same difference with OT.

I agree with you on the need to upgrade our tackle spots.

But at what point do you draw the line regarding the availability of a better option in the draft?

In the last two to three days, three more teams-Minnesota, Las Vegas  and Kansas City-were added to the list of teams needing to address that same position.  All of those teams that need a T-specifically a LT-pick ahead of us except Kansas City.

Ruling out for the moment the possibility of us trading up in the first round (more on this in another post to come), there is a good chance there will be a substantial run on the position.

Conservatively speaking, these are the teams that could use a T (besides us)

2.  Jets
3.  Miami
5.  Bengals
6.  Eagles
8.  Panthers
9.  Broncos
13.  Chargers
14.  Vikings
17.  Raiders
18.  Miami
19.  WFT
20.  Bears
21.  Colts
23.  Jets
24.  Steelers
25  ---------------------------------------------Jaguars

27.  Ravens (assuming a Brown trade)
31.  Chiefs

This list excludes Dallas, Denver, San Francisco (if they lose Williams), and Seattle, who could have a pick ahead of us if they are dumb enough to trade russell Wilson.

The chances of there being a run at the position ahead of us are high.  So assuming there is a run at the position on some late rising Ts, at what point would it not be worth taking a T in the first round?

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Here is a fact ——

There is NO rookie LT that will come in and be better than Cam Robinson by week 1.

They guaranteed that a starting professional LT will be protecting Lawrence’s blindside this season. If we can upgrade that spot then so be it.

Right now, this is what we got.

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