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Black and Teal Post FA Mock

#1

Not bad in terms of value.

https://blackandteal.com/2021/03/22/jagu...6mS0ygkgvo
 

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#2

Maybe the worst mock I have ever seen. We already have 7 pretty good DE/DT type rotational players and in this hot mess, we draft two more? Talk about overkill! Barmore at #25 makes no sense, after what all we added in free agency. Where's he gonna play?

I just don't like Mayfield, period. He might be a step up from Jawaan Taylor, but not a big enough step, imo.

I don't see Freiermuth as the type of speedy TE that Meyer seems to want. Freiermuth looks very slow to me.

Holland would make sense if he's as good as some people think. I just don't know. I didn't think he was that great and then he opted out, so he never got a shot to change my mind.

I really like Shelvin, but again, where will he play? Do we need a 3rd NT? This pick just makes no sense.

I like Jones as a 4-3 DE, but can he convert to a 3-4 OLB? First we draft 3-4 OLB's (Allen and Chaisson) to play 4-3 DE's and now we draft a 4-3 DE to play 3-4 OLB. It just doesn't seem right.

Dazz Newsome is "just a guy", imo. I'd rather have his teammate.

Khalil is o.k., nothing special.

Tarron Jackson is a good player, but I have the same concerns about him that I have with Patrick Jones.
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#3

(03-23-2021, 12:10 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Maybe the worst mock I have ever seen. We already have 7 pretty good DE/DT type rotational players and in this hot mess, we draft two more? Talk about overkill! Barmore at #25 makes no sense, after what all we added in free agency. Where's he gonna play?

I just don't like Mayfield, period. He might be a step up from Jawaan Taylor, but not a big enough step, imo.

I don't see Freiermuth as the type of speedy TE that Meyer seems to want. Freiermuth looks very slow to me.

Holland would make sense if he's as good as some people think. I just don't know. I didn't think he was that great and then he opted out, so he never got a shot to change my mind.

I really like Shelvin, but again, where will he play? Do we need a 3rd NT? This pick just makes no sense.

I like Jones as a 4-3 DE, but can he convert to a 3-4 OLB? First we draft 3-4 OLB's (Allen and Chaisson) to play 4-3 DE's and now we draft a 4-3 DE to play 3-4 OLB. It just doesn't seem right.

Dazz Newsome is "just a guy", imo. I'd rather have his teammate.

Khalil is o.k., nothing special.

Tarron Jackson is a good player, but I have the same concerns about him that I have with Patrick Jones.

I know you and Rico got into it in another thread about the topic of Barmore post free agency.
We now have numbers at the DL positions, and I suppose we have a starting three of Malcolm Brown, Davon Hamilton (Or "Hawkins" as UM called him) and maybe Alualu.  In addition at least we have rotational guys like Jihad "watch your mouth" Ward and RRH.  But I'm all about favorable matchups.  I don't know that I see any of those guys as dominators/matchup problems for other teams, though admittedly that may be more a function of my lack of exposure to some of those guys as opposed to any weaknesses in their games.  But to the extent those guys are more a functional unit as opposed to a dominant one, the team could always benefit from adding a potentially dominant player.
But given the number of holes on the roster, there is the question about sensible allocation of resources.  If we have solid, if unspectacular starters at one position, wouldn't it make sense to strengthen other areas of the team that are less than solid if unspectacular?  Is it better to lift the floor of the whole team-especially at ostensibly more important positions-than to raise the ceiling of one position?

Perhaps therein lies the issue.  Perhaps Meyer has more of a defensive emphasis than we may think.  When he talked of building the team, he talked about rebuilding the defense from the front back.  If so, and depending on how they have structured their board, D-Line may yet be a high priority, especially if Barmore is still on the board.

But this draft addresses gaping holes on the roster.  The whole offseason, we are among the many who have urged this team to upgrade the T positions.  This draft addresses T early in the draft.  This draft also addresses holes at TE and FS, and they address those positions seemingly all at the approximate part of the draft where the consensus projects them.  But you hate the draft.  Why?

If the goal is to provide protection and targets for Trevor Lawrence, it does that.  What is your problem with a RT that proved he can hold his own Chase Young?  Do you think Jawaan Taylor could come close to that?  I know you think Friermuth looks slow, but TE isn't exactly a position loaded with world class sprinters.  Penn State hasn't had their pro day yet.   By your own admission, you may have underestimated the Oregon safety.

As for Shelvin

, a 3-4 NT is worth his weight in gold.  If you can find a NT with his size and ability, you make room for him.  Taking him in the 3rd or 4th round as this mock does would be a great pick.

I'm not thrilled with Dazz Newsome, either, and I'd rather have his teammate.  I don't think Newsome has the speed that Meyer seems to crave at the position.  But I have to assume Dyami Brown-who has the deep speed Meyer likes-would be long gone by this stage in the draft.

Is the draft perfect?

No.

But what mock draft is in March?

As far as getting value and addressing positions of need, this draft is far from horrible.
 

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(03-23-2021, 09:02 AM)Bullseye Wrote:
(03-23-2021, 12:10 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Maybe the worst mock I have ever seen. We already have 7 pretty good DE/DT type rotational players and in this hot mess, we draft two more? Talk about overkill! Barmore at #25 makes no sense, after what all we added in free agency. Where's he gonna play?

I just don't like Mayfield, period. He might be a step up from Jawaan Taylor, but not a big enough step, imo.

I don't see Freiermuth as the type of speedy TE that Meyer seems to want. Freiermuth looks very slow to me.

Holland would make sense if he's as good as some people think. I just don't know. I didn't think he was that great and then he opted out, so he never got a shot to change my mind.

I really like Shelvin, but again, where will he play? Do we need a 3rd NT? This pick just makes no sense.

I like Jones as a 4-3 DE, but can he convert to a 3-4 OLB? First we draft 3-4 OLB's (Allen and Chaisson) to play 4-3 DE's and now we draft a 4-3 DE to play 3-4 OLB. It just doesn't seem right.

Dazz Newsome is "just a guy", imo. I'd rather have his teammate.

Khalil is o.k., nothing special.

Tarron Jackson is a good player, but I have the same concerns about him that I have with Patrick Jones.

I know you and Rico got into it in another thread about the topic of Barmore post free agency.
We now have numbers at the DL positions, and I suppose we have a starting three of Malcolm Brown, Davon Hamilton (Or "Hawkins" as UM called him) and maybe Alualu.  In addition at least we have rotational guys like Jihad "watch your mouth" Ward and RRH.  But I'm all about favorable matchups.  I don't know that I see any of those guys as dominators/matchup problems for other teams, though admittedly that may be more a function of my lack of exposure to some of those guys as opposed to any weaknesses in their games.  But to the extent those guys are more a functional unit as opposed to a dominant one, the team could always benefit from adding a potentially dominant player.
But given the number of holes on the roster, there is the question about sensible allocation of resources.  If we have solid, if unspectacular starters at one position, wouldn't it make sense to strengthen other areas of the team that are less than solid if unspectacular?  Is it better to lift the floor of the whole team-especially at ostensibly more important positions-than to raise the ceiling of one position?

Perhaps therein lies the issue.  Perhaps Meyer has more of a defensive emphasis than we may think.  When he talked of building the team, he talked about rebuilding the defense from the front back.  If so, and depending on how they have structured their board, D-Line may yet be a high priority, especially if Barmore is still on the board.

But this draft addresses gaping holes on the roster.  The whole offseason, we are among the many who have urged this team to upgrade the T positions.  This draft addresses T early in the draft.  This draft also addresses holes at TE and FS, and they address those positions seemingly all at the approximate part of the draft where the consensus projects them.  But you hate the draft.  Why?

If the goal is to provide protection and targets for Trevor Lawrence, it does that.  What is your problem with a RT that proved he can hold his own Chase Young?  Do you think Jawaan Taylor could come close to that?  I know you think Friermuth looks slow, but TE isn't exactly a position loaded with world class sprinters.  Penn State hasn't had their pro day yet.   By your own admission, you may have underestimated the Oregon safety.

As for Shelvin

, a 3-4 NT is worth his weight in gold.  If you can find a NT with his size and ability, you make room for him.  Taking him in the 3rd or 4th round as this mock does would be a great pick.

I'm not thrilled with Dazz Newsome, either, and I'd rather have his teammate.  I don't think Newsome has the speed that Meyer seems to crave at the position.  But I have to assume Dyami Brown-who has the deep speed Meyer likes-would be long gone by this stage in the draft.

Is the draft perfect?

No.

But what mock draft is in March?

As far as getting value and addressing positions of need, this draft is far from horrible.

We spent big money on Robertson-Harris. If he isn't starting, that's a bad contract. None of our starting guys are gonna wow you in a pass rush, but all are very good against the run and you can tell by the way this team signed free agents, that they are focusing the front 3 on stopping the run. Barmore is way better as a pass rusher, than as a run stopper. Given what we now have on the D-Line, I am satisfied as long as we add another good pass rusher at OLB. If all of our other positions were as solid as our front 3, we'd be a playoff team, but we're a long way off from that. 

I hate the draft, because imo, we've addressed the D-Line. We should move on. As for addressing other areas, I just think the actual players drafted in this mock are bad fits for the team. I don't have Mayfield ranked very highly at all. He's a pure RT, which is fine, if that RT is elite, but I don't think Mayfield is at all. I think there are much better players on the board, even at RT. To me, this is a reach. I think Holland is a reach based on his limited play due to his opt out. I just don't like gambling that early. It's not my nature. Freiermuth is not an athletic TE. He just isn't the type of speed player Meyer said he likes. I don't need a 40 time to tell me that. He plays slow, so I believe that is a bad fit as well. As for the pass rushers, we drafted 3-4 OLB's to play 4-3 DE's in the past and so far, that hasn't worked. Now, we're drafting 4-3 DE's to play 3-4 OLB's? That's basically the same thing in reverse. I just would prefer more versatile pass rushers. 

With Shelvin, I agree he is a very good player, but is he better than Hamilton or Brown? I doubt it. We are already 2 deep at a single position. I don't see the sense in drafting another NT. 

With Newsome, I see much better receivers available on the board. Personally, I don't think Newsome gets drafted, but you never know about how each team's boards stack up. All it takes is for one team to like him. 

I disagree about this draft filling gaping holes for our team. IMO, it just adds a logjam on the D-Line, never addresses the hole at LT and adds a bunch of bad picks and poor scheme fits. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's just the way I see it, when I look at it.
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(03-23-2021, 10:33 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-23-2021, 09:02 AM)Bullseye Wrote: I know you and Rico got into it in another thread about the topic of Barmore post free agency.
We now have numbers at the DL positions, and I suppose we have a starting three of Malcolm Brown, Davon Hamilton (Or "Hawkins" as UM called him) and maybe Alualu.  In addition at least we have rotational guys like Jihad "watch your mouth" Ward and RRH.  But I'm all about favorable matchups.  I don't know that I see any of those guys as dominators/matchup problems for other teams, though admittedly that may be more a function of my lack of exposure to some of those guys as opposed to any weaknesses in their games.  But to the extent those guys are more a functional unit as opposed to a dominant one, the team could always benefit from adding a potentially dominant player.
But given the number of holes on the roster, there is the question about sensible allocation of resources.  If we have solid, if unspectacular starters at one position, wouldn't it make sense to strengthen other areas of the team that are less than solid if unspectacular?  Is it better to lift the floor of the whole team-especially at ostensibly more important positions-than to raise the ceiling of one position?

Perhaps therein lies the issue.  Perhaps Meyer has more of a defensive emphasis than we may think.  When he talked of building the team, he talked about rebuilding the defense from the front back.  If so, and depending on how they have structured their board, D-Line may yet be a high priority, especially if Barmore is still on the board.

But this draft addresses gaping holes on the roster.  The whole offseason, we are among the many who have urged this team to upgrade the T positions.  This draft addresses T early in the draft.  This draft also addresses holes at TE and FS, and they address those positions seemingly all at the approximate part of the draft where the consensus projects them.  But you hate the draft.  Why?

If the goal is to provide protection and targets for Trevor Lawrence, it does that.  What is your problem with a RT that proved he can hold his own Chase Young?  Do you think Jawaan Taylor could come close to that?  I know you think Friermuth looks slow, but TE isn't exactly a position loaded with world class sprinters.  Penn State hasn't had their pro day yet.   By your own admission, you may have underestimated the Oregon safety.

As for Shelvin

, a 3-4 NT is worth his weight in gold.  If you can find a NT with his size and ability, you make room for him.  Taking him in the 3rd or 4th round as this mock does would be a great pick.

I'm not thrilled with Dazz Newsome, either, and I'd rather have his teammate.  I don't think Newsome has the speed that Meyer seems to crave at the position.  But I have to assume Dyami Brown-who has the deep speed Meyer likes-would be long gone by this stage in the draft.

Is the draft perfect?

No.

But what mock draft is in March?

As far as getting value and addressing positions of need, this draft is far from horrible.

We spent big money on Robertson-Harris. If he isn't starting, that's a bad contract. None of our starting guys are gonna wow you in a pass rush, but all are very good against the run and you can tell by the way this team signed free agents, that they are focusing the front 3 on stopping the run. Barmore is way better as a pass rusher, than as a run stopper. Given what we now have on the D-Line, I am satisfied as long as we add another good pass rusher at OLB. If all of our other positions were as solid as our front 3, we'd be a playoff team, but we're a long way off from that. 

I hate the draft, because imo, we've addressed the D-Line. We should move on. As for addressing other areas, I just think the actual players drafted in this mock are bad fits for the team. I don't have Mayfield ranked very highly at all. He's a pure RT, which is fine, if that RT is elite, but I don't think Mayfield is at all. I think there are much better players on the board, even at RT. To me, this is a reach. I think Holland is a reach based on his limited play due to his opt out. I just don't like gambling that early. It's not my nature. Freiermuth is not an athletic TE. He just isn't the type of speed player Meyer said he likes. I don't need a 40 time to tell me that. He plays slow, so I believe that is a bad fit as well. As for the pass rushers, we drafted 3-4 OLB's to play 4-3 DE's in the past and so far, that hasn't worked. Now, we're drafting 4-3 DE's to play 3-4 OLB's? That's basically the same thing in reverse. I just would prefer more versatile pass rushers. 

With Shelvin, I agree he is a very good player, but is he better than Hamilton or Brown? I doubt it. We are already 2 deep at a single position. I don't see the sense in drafting another NT. 

With Newsome, I see much better receivers available on the board. Personally, I don't think Newsome gets drafted, but you never know about how each team's boards stack up. All it takes is for one team to like him. 

I disagree about this draft filling gaping holes for our team. IMO, it just adds a logjam on the D-Line, never addresses the hole at LT and adds a bunch of bad picks and poor scheme fits. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's just the way I see it, when I look at it.

Though the ideal is finding a franchise LT to go with our franchise QB, with us picking at 25, that may not be in the cards this year. One of the top LTs likely will not fall to us at 25, and while Baalke has proven willing to trade in the past, there's no guarantee he could pull off a deal to move up to land one of the tackles.  If not, I'd much rather take Mayfield, a pure RT who can pass protect, than no T at all.  At minimum, he upgrades Taylor and helps improve our depth along the OL at two positions.  He more than held his own against Chase freaking Young.  Does Taylor manage that?  What do you dislike about his game?  If we upgrade the pass protection on the right side, there are things we can do to bolster the left, like line up a TE on that side and keep him in to block, and use RBs to chip a DE.
 

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(03-23-2021, 10:53 AM)Bullseye Wrote:
(03-23-2021, 10:33 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: We spent big money on Robertson-Harris. If he isn't starting, that's a bad contract. None of our starting guys are gonna wow you in a pass rush, but all are very good against the run and you can tell by the way this team signed free agents, that they are focusing the front 3 on stopping the run. Barmore is way better as a pass rusher, than as a run stopper. Given what we now have on the D-Line, I am satisfied as long as we add another good pass rusher at OLB. If all of our other positions were as solid as our front 3, we'd be a playoff team, but we're a long way off from that. 

I hate the draft, because imo, we've addressed the D-Line. We should move on. As for addressing other areas, I just think the actual players drafted in this mock are bad fits for the team. I don't have Mayfield ranked very highly at all. He's a pure RT, which is fine, if that RT is elite, but I don't think Mayfield is at all. I think there are much better players on the board, even at RT. To me, this is a reach. I think Holland is a reach based on his limited play due to his opt out. I just don't like gambling that early. It's not my nature. Freiermuth is not an athletic TE. He just isn't the type of speed player Meyer said he likes. I don't need a 40 time to tell me that. He plays slow, so I believe that is a bad fit as well. As for the pass rushers, we drafted 3-4 OLB's to play 4-3 DE's in the past and so far, that hasn't worked. Now, we're drafting 4-3 DE's to play 3-4 OLB's? That's basically the same thing in reverse. I just would prefer more versatile pass rushers. 

With Shelvin, I agree he is a very good player, but is he better than Hamilton or Brown? I doubt it. We are already 2 deep at a single position. I don't see the sense in drafting another NT. 

With Newsome, I see much better receivers available on the board. Personally, I don't think Newsome gets drafted, but you never know about how each team's boards stack up. All it takes is for one team to like him. 

I disagree about this draft filling gaping holes for our team. IMO, it just adds a logjam on the D-Line, never addresses the hole at LT and adds a bunch of bad picks and poor scheme fits. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's just the way I see it, when I look at it.

Though the ideal is finding a franchise LT to go with our franchise QB, with us picking at 25, that may not be in the cards this year. One of the top LTs likely will not fall to us at 25, and while Baalke has proven willing to trade in the past, there's no guarantee he could pull off a deal to move up to land one of the tackles.  If not, I'd much rather take Mayfield, a pure RT who can pass protect, than no T at all.  At minimum, he upgrades Taylor and helps improve our depth along the OL at two positions.  He more than held his own against Chase freaking Young.  Does Taylor manage that?  What do you dislike about his game?  If we upgrade the pass protection on the right side, there are things we can do to bolster the left, like line up a TE on that side and keep him in to block, and use RBs to chip a DE.

At this point, I'm 90% sure that is the case. My fear is that next year's class will be like the 2019 OT class and we'll reach for a guy that fails, keeping us in this loop we've been in of drafting bad LT's. I don't see any scenario where Sewell, Slater or Darrisaw fall passed pick #20. I really like Eichenberg, but I doubt he goes any higher than #27 and I just don't see us choosing him. From there, I'd focus more on upgrading the RT, because it is a much deeper class of RT's than LT's, but I still do not like Mayfield. I'd rather wait a round or two and select Spencer Brown, Cole Van Lanen or Josh Ball to play RT. I see them as much better prospects. IMO, Mayfield is too much like Taylor. I don't see the footwork to keep him in front of defenders and he just always looks a step behind the pass rusher. When I saw him, he struggled with bull rushers more than I liked. Maybe I'm wrong and he gets better, but I have him ranked as the #10 OT in the draft. As much as I'd like to trade up from #25, I realize it's not gonna happen. I just pray we upgrade at least one OT spot.
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(This post was last modified: 03-23-2021, 12:58 PM by flgatorsandjags.)

(03-23-2021, 11:14 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-23-2021, 10:53 AM)Bullseye Wrote: Though the ideal is finding a franchise LT to go with our franchise QB, with us picking at 25, that may not be in the cards this year. One of the top LTs likely will not fall to us at 25, and while Baalke has proven willing to trade in the past, there's no guarantee he could pull off a deal to move up to land one of the tackles.  If not, I'd much rather take Mayfield, a pure RT who can pass protect, than no T at all.  At minimum, he upgrades Taylor and helps improve our depth along the OL at two positions.  He more than held his own against Chase freaking Young.  Does Taylor manage that?  What do you dislike about his game?  If we upgrade the pass protection on the right side, there are things we can do to bolster the left, like line up a TE on that side and keep him in to block, and use RBs to chip a DE.

At this point, I'm 90% sure that is the case. My fear is that next year's class will be like the 2019 OT class and we'll reach for a guy that fails, keeping us in this loop we've been in of drafting bad LT's. I don't see any scenario where Sewell, Slater or Darrisaw fall passed pick #20. I really like Eichenberg, but I doubt he goes any higher than #27 and I just don't see us choosing him. From there, I'd focus more on upgrading the RT, because it is a much deeper class of RT's than LT's, but I still do not like Mayfield. I'd rather wait a round or two and select Spencer Brown, Cole Van Lanen or Josh Ball to play RT. I see them as much better prospects. IMO, Mayfield is too much like Taylor. I don't see the footwork to keep him in front of defenders and he just always looks a step behind the pass rusher. When I saw him, he struggled with bull rushers more than I liked. Maybe I'm wrong and he gets better, but I have him ranked as the #10 OT in the draft. As much as I'd like to trade up from #25, I realize it's not gonna happen. I just pray we upgrade at least one OT spot.
Taylor was far from a reach.  Some had him going to us with our first pick and he was great at Florida. He was bad this past year but I think he will be much improved with a new QB, Urban, and fully healthy
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(This post was last modified: 03-23-2021, 01:18 PM by Upper.)

(03-23-2021, 10:53 AM)Bullseye Wrote: Though the ideal is finding a franchise LT to go with our franchise QB, with us picking at 25, that may not be in the cards this year. One of the top LTs likely will not fall to us at 25

I'd bet that at least one and quite possibly two of Jenkins, Cosmi, or Eichenberg will be on the clock at 25. I also think there's a chance that Vera-Tucker will be there at 25 and while I think he would be better at guard I also think he can be a very good OT. Certainly a lot better than what we have. We'll have opportunities to upgrade tackle at 25 if we want.

We'll also have multiple chances to get top shelf developmental guys like Radunz, Little, Brown, or D'Ante with our day 2 picks. Brown went full Cosmi at the pro day today in particular. Insane athletes.

Now, I am pretty worried that we will pass all of them because Warhop has brainwashed Meyer into thinking that our oline is good as is...but if fixing OT is a priority we can do it pretty easily IMO.
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(03-23-2021, 12:58 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(03-23-2021, 11:14 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: At this point, I'm 90% sure that is the case. My fear is that next year's class will be like the 2019 OT class and we'll reach for a guy that fails, keeping us in this loop we've been in of drafting bad LT's. I don't see any scenario where Sewell, Slater or Darrisaw fall passed pick #20. I really like Eichenberg, but I doubt he goes any higher than #27 and I just don't see us choosing him. From there, I'd focus more on upgrading the RT, because it is a much deeper class of RT's than LT's, but I still do not like Mayfield. I'd rather wait a round or two and select Spencer Brown, Cole Van Lanen or Josh Ball to play RT. I see them as much better prospects. IMO, Mayfield is too much like Taylor. I don't see the footwork to keep him in front of defenders and he just always looks a step behind the pass rusher. When I saw him, he struggled with bull rushers more than I liked. Maybe I'm wrong and he gets better, but I have him ranked as the #10 OT in the draft. As much as I'd like to trade up from #25, I realize it's not gonna happen. I just pray we upgrade at least one OT spot.
Taylor was far from a reach.  Some had him going to us with our first pick and he was great at Florida. He was bad this past year but I think he will be much improved with a new QB, Urban, and fully healthy

I thought he was a huge reach and I loathed the pick. I posted how much I disliked it and the Florida homers on the board called me crazy. There were issues about his knee coming into the draft and if I remember correctly, there were rumors that some teams dropped him way down on their boards, because of the medicals on his knee. Not to mention that he was heavy footed and slow to get out of his stance, which has never improved.

How do you expect him to get better when he has the same inept O-Line coach that he has always had? If you just focus just on Taylor in games, he gets pushed backwards, almost immediately. He has trouble the second the play starts. That's why he has to hold so much, because he is constantly getting beat off the snap. He's just slow.
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(03-23-2021, 01:57 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-23-2021, 12:58 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Taylor was far from a reach.  Some had him going to us with our first pick and he was great at Florida. He was bad this past year but I think he will be much improved with a new QB, Urban, and fully healthy

I thought he was a huge reach and I loathed the pick. I posted how much I disliked it and the Florida homers on the board called me crazy. There were issues about his knee coming into the draft and if I remember correctly, there were rumors that some teams dropped him way down on their boards, because of the medicals on his knee. Not to mention that he was heavy footed and slow to get out of his stance, which has never improved.

How do you expect him to get better when he has the same inept O-Line coach that he has always had? If you just focus just on Taylor in games, he gets pushed backwards, almost immediately. He has trouble the second the play starts. That's why he has to hold so much, because he is constantly getting beat off the snap. He's just slow.
I’ll give you 1 reason as to why he thinks Taylor can still be good and it has nothing to do with his play or the coaches.....
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(03-23-2021, 01:12 PM)Upper Wrote:
(03-23-2021, 10:53 AM)Bullseye Wrote: Though the ideal is finding a franchise LT to go with our franchise QB, with us picking at 25, that may not be in the cards this year. One of the top LTs likely will not fall to us at 25

I'd bet that at least one and quite possibly two of Jenkins, Cosmi, or Eichenberg will be on the clock at 25. I also think there's a chance that Vera-Tucker will be there at 25 and while I think he would be better at guard I also think he can be a very good OT. Certainly a lot better than what we have. We'll have opportunities to upgrade tackle at 25 if we want.

We'll also have multiple chances to get top shelf developmental guys like Radunz, Little, Brown, or D'Ante with our day 2 picks. Brown went full Cosmi at the pro day today in particular. Insane athletes.

Now, I am pretty worried that we will pass all of them because Warhop has brainwashed Meyer into thinking that our oline is good as is...but if fixing OT is a priority we can do it pretty easily IMO.

Glad to see Brown did well in his pro day. I'll have to check it out. That guy has been steadily rising up my board. I know most people have Radunz ranked higher, but I kind of prefer Brown. He was dominant at the Senior Bowl and showed excellent footwork, quickness and balance. He keeps his pad levels low, despite his immense height and plays pretty loose as well. I know he's only played RT, but with his superb footwork, I think I'd give him a chance to play LT. If it doesn't work out, I move him back to RT. I like that kid a lot.

(03-23-2021, 01:59 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(03-23-2021, 01:57 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I thought he was a huge reach and I loathed the pick. I posted how much I disliked it and the Florida homers on the board called me crazy. There were issues about his knee coming into the draft and if I remember correctly, there were rumors that some teams dropped him way down on their boards, because of the medicals on his knee. Not to mention that he was heavy footed and slow to get out of his stance, which has never improved.

How do you expect him to get better when he has the same inept O-Line coach that he has always had? If you just focus just on Taylor in games, he gets pushed backwards, almost immediately. He has trouble the second the play starts. That's why he has to hold so much, because he is constantly getting beat off the snap. He's just slow.
I’ll give you 1 reason as to why he thinks Taylor can still be good and it has nothing to do with his play or the coaches.....

Yep.
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I just checked out Spencer Brown's numbers from his pro day. They were phenomenal. DE/OLB Elerson Smith put up very impressive numbers as well. I think both will be gone by the end of the 2nd day of the draft. They might even be selected in round 2. I have Brown as my #5 overall OT and Elerson Smith as my #2 OLB.
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(03-23-2021, 02:03 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I know most people have Radunz ranked higher, but I kind of prefer Brown.

I think I prefer all of D'Ante, Brown, and Hudson to Radunz. And I like Radunz.
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(03-23-2021, 09:20 PM)Upper Wrote:
(03-23-2021, 02:03 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I know most people have Radunz ranked higher, but I kind of prefer Brown.

I think I prefer all of D'Ante, Brown, and Hudson to Radunz. And I like Radunz.

Kiper called this tackle class "deep" saying teams will be able to find guys in the 7th round.

While I know you can find guys in the mid rounds, I don't want to take any chances.  Take a guy early if it's worth the pick, but then come back later and double dip and take advantage of the depth.
 

Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!





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(03-23-2021, 11:12 PM)Bullseye Wrote:
(03-23-2021, 09:20 PM)Upper Wrote: I think I prefer all of D'Ante, Brown, and Hudson to Radunz. And I like Radunz.

Kiper called this tackle class "deep" saying teams will be able to find guys in the 7th round.

While I know you can find guys in the mid rounds, I don't want to take any chances.  Take a guy early if it's worth the pick, but then come back later and double dip and take advantage of the depth.

I have jokingly said take OT at 25 and 33 a few times before. Except I'm really not joking. If we took Cosmi at 25 and Eichenberg is still there at 33 I would be more than happy to take him too. 

More likely I would take one of the second tier OT at 25 and then whichever of D'Ante, Brown, Hudson is available at 65.
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(03-24-2021, 08:41 AM)Upper Wrote:
(03-23-2021, 11:12 PM)Bullseye Wrote: Kiper called this tackle class "deep" saying teams will be able to find guys in the 7th round.

While I know you can find guys in the mid rounds, I don't want to take any chances.  Take a guy early if it's worth the pick, but then come back later and double dip and take advantage of the depth.

I have jokingly said take OT at 25 and 33 a few times before. Except I'm really not joking. If we took Cosmi at 25 and Eichenberg is still there at 33 I would be more than happy to take him too. 

More likely I would take one of the second tier OT at 25 and then whichever of D'Ante, Brown, Hudson is available at 65.

I'm all for taking 2 OT's if the right ones are on the board. I think that's a great plan.
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