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TheO-LineMatters 7 Round Mock Draft
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(03-31-2021, 03:55 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:(03-30-2021, 09:55 PM)Bullseye Wrote: I understand you don't have much faith in the Jaguars' FO/coaching staff, and it makes some sense the mock would reflect that. But there are teams that have had horrible offseasons-even worse than ours. Philadelphia has been stuck on stupid since the end of last season. Bears fans seem to hate their whole power structure-FO, coaches and now QB. Houston's dumpster fire has its roots in the O'Brien era, and has had a big can of gasoline added to it by Watson's off field trade demands and legal issues. Oakland has systematically dismantled their OL. Do you have faith in their decision makers? If so, why? If not, is your lack of faith reflected in the picks for those-and other -teams? All off season, I've been saying there is a good chance of a run on Ts ahead of our pick at 25, and I still believe that. After us? Besides KC, I don't see many teams with a huge need at the position. Of course, there's always a chance a team at the top of the 2nd round will trade back up into the bottom of the first to get anyone who falls, but besides KC, I don't see a lot of need for LT for those teams currently between 26-32. 26. Cleveland-jsut drafted Wills last year and he was great for them 27. Baltimore-They have Ronnie Stanley and, until they trade him, Orlando Brown who has proven-at least in a limited capacity-he can play the position. 28. New Orleans-Though they are a team that wound up with severe cap issues, they still retained both of their stud tackles Armstead and Ramczyk. 29. Green Bay-David Bakhtiari has been heavily lauded at the position. 30. Buffalo-Dion Dawkins was a guy I wanted a few years back, but he has exceeded expectations and has performed well on the left side. 31. KC-the one T disaster in this group. 32. Tampa is absolutely set at both T positions. Just re-signed their LT. This is why I could see the Colts trading back if a certain number of players at the position are still on the board. We see eye to eye on Collins. If he stays healthy he'll be a stud for whomever drafts him. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
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(03-31-2021, 08:35 AM)Mikey Wrote: Well done in putting this whole thing together. Agree completely with your later statement that Collins over Rousseau makes so much more sense. I'm gonna be honest. I live a little outside Cincinnati and I listen to sports talk radio almost every day. I cannot imagine the Bengals selecting anyone but Sewell. If they do, the fans here might riot. Even yesterday, one of the local radio guys said the main priority for the Bengals would be to never see the injury cart on the field ever again for Burrow. He was firmly in the camp of getting Sewell and protecting the QB. Chase is a tremendous WR, but the Bengals already have two very good, young WR's in Tyler Boyd and Tee Higgins. You can find a game stretching WR with speed in round 2. You're not gonna find an OT like Sewell in round 2. Not even close. Also take into account that the Bengals only have 1 O-Line position that is stable after the 2021 season. Riley Reiff was only signed to a 1 year deal, so in essence, Jonah Williams is the only decent O-Lineman they have under contract after this coming season. You have to get the O-Line stabilized and the interior for the Bengals is nothing less than putrid! Two of my best friends are huge Bengals fans and they are already talking about Penei Sewell playing LT, Williams moving inside to LG for 2021 and Riley Reiff playing RT. They could then use the middle rounds to find at least one interior guy to start in 2021. When Reiff moves on after 2021, Williams would then move out to RT, where he would stay, giving the Bengals very solid bookends for the foreseeable future.
(03-31-2021, 09:21 AM)Bullseye Wrote:(03-31-2021, 04:03 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Landon Dickerson was doing multiple cartwheels today around Mac Jones as he was being interviewed and totally cracking him up. To see a big man doing something athletic like that convinces me he's healed. I don't believe the knee injury had anything to do with how Cam Robinson played this year. I just think he has plateaued. He is what he is. Dickerson I believe, is on a whole different level. https://youtu.be/xqciUfXkEEI I think you'll like what you see with Fehoko. (03-31-2021, 10:01 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:(03-31-2021, 08:35 AM)Mikey Wrote: Well done in putting this whole thing together. Agree completely with your later statement that Collins over Rousseau makes so much more sense. Usually when a team takes a franchise QB high, they are tasked with putting supporting talent around him. The Steelers followed the drafting of Terry Bradshaw with Franco Harris, Lynn Swann and John Stallworth. Dallas followed the drafting of Troy Aikman with the subsequent drafting of Emmitt Smith, Alexander Wright, Alvin Harper, Jimmy Smith and Kevin Williams. After Indy drafted Peyton Manning, they drafted guys like Edgerrin James, Dallas Clark, and Reggie Wayne. After the 2004 drafting of Big Ben, the Steelers supported him by drafting Heath Miller and Santonio Holmes at the top of the next two drafts. In 2012, Indy followed up the drafting of Andrew Luck with the addition of two TEs and T.Y. Hilton in the same draft, and then in two of the next three drafts, tried supporting him by adding Donte Moncrief and Phillip Dorsett. Joe Burrow already has strong skill position support. Mixon is a good RB, and as TheOLine Matters pointed out, Boyd and Higgins are a strong pair of receivers. That closing paragraph in particular is spot on. Not only does Sewell give them an outstanding player, his selection provides the Bengals all kinds of depth and versatility along the OL, with three guys who could play left or right tackle or slide inside to G. Other players could help the Bengals. Pitts and Chase are outstanding prospects. But neither would seem to help Burrow and the Bengals anywhere near as much as adding Sewell. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
(03-31-2021, 09:34 AM)Bullseye Wrote:(03-31-2021, 03:55 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: No I don't. I kinda do have that reflected on their picks. Some good, some terrible. Agreed, but there are enough teams ahead of us that will make the "pickins" very slim at the position. Especially for a team like the Colts, who desperately need a LT and may pass on that position with their first pick. Keep in mind that Terron Armstead and Ryan Ramczyk's contracts both expire after the 2021 season. I believe Orlando Brown will be traded on draft day, if not sooner. I too wanted Dion Dawkins, but I've wanted a lot of OT's we never took. Kansas City MUST take an OT. Probably a LT. They drafted a RT in round 3 of last year's draft, Lucas Niang. He will probably start on the right side, but they have nothing on the left side. I found the re-signing of Donavan Smith rather strange. He gave up a lot of pressures during the season, but looked a lot better in the playoffs. I think that was what got him extended. Who do you think would still be on the board for the Colts? Radunz might be there if the Colts pass on Eichenberg and the Chiefs select him, as long as you don't trade back more than a few spots. If you traded out of round 1, would the Jets take an OT at the top of round 2, to have bookends? What about the Dolphins? They have young OT's, but were very shaky last season. The Eagles showed how poor they were depth wise at the position and Carolina needs a LT as well to play opposite Moton. How far back would you feel comfortable trading, if you were the Colts? I rarely fall for linebackers, but Zaven Collins is so good at EVERY aspect of the position and is so versatile for every scheme, I see him as a "can't miss" player. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-31-2021, 10:25 AM)mTheO-LineMatters Wrote:You are probably right. I have expressed the same concerns all offseason. But there is always the chance something could happen to change the dynamic. A team with other needs could trade up/down into that position and let a guy slide. Another team could surprise and take another position. The Steelers have been a strange team in that they have had mediocre left tackles over the years and still found success. Their OL in that Super Bowl against Arizona had to be one of the worst ever offensive lines to win a Super Bowl. In fact, I don't recall the Steelers having any real studs at LT. The best ones I remember were roughly in the same period in the 1990s. They had John Jackson and then after him Will Wolford, who was ending his career after spending his prime years in Buffalo. However, they seem to thrive with stud centers. Back in the 70s, their best OL wasn't a LT, but was Mike Webster. They followed Webster with Dermontti Dawson, and he was better than any other linemen, including the two LTs I named earlier. They followed him with converted G Jeff Hartings, and followed him up with Pouncey, who has just retired. Though they have the need for a LT to replace Villanueva, I could see them drafting Creed Humphrey (who is getting a lot of first round talk lately) or Landon Dickerson at 24 and allowing a T to fall further. Again....this combination of events is unlikely, but could still happen, which may enable the Colts to trade back to later in the round and still get a LT. If that happens, I can only hope the Jaguars take full advantage and take the stud T still on the board.(03-31-2021, 09:34 AM)Bullseye Wrote: All off season, I've been saying there is a good chance of a run on Ts ahead of our pick at 25, and I still believe that. After us? Besides KC, I don't see many teams with a huge need at the position. Of course, there's always a chance a team at the top of the 2nd round will trade back up into the bottom of the first to get anyone who falls, but besides KC, I don't see a lot of need for LT for those teams currently between 26-32. Quote:Keep in mind that Terron Armstead and Ryan Ramczyk's contracts both expire after the 2021 season. While your observations about those teams from 26-32 are valid, nevertheless, those factors do not put them in the immediate need category in terms of LT, except for Kansas City, whom I described as a dumpster fire at the position. As for who might be there for the Colts to take at the bottom of the first if they traded back, difficult to say at this point. Looking at the draft order... 17. Las Vegas-the Raiders dismantled their OL, but one of the two guys they kept was LT Kolton Miller, whom they just re-signed. 18. Miami-they COULD go T, but to me RT seems more likely than LT, especially considering they just drafted Austin Jackson last year and he was recently removed from a surgical procedure that could have adversely impacted him. 19. Washington-they are wide open, including taking a T. Maybe if Mac Jones falls to them, they pull the trigger on him. Or perhaps if they get the chance to trade up for him, that changes things. 20. Chicago-see Washington. They are in no man's land. 21. Colts 22. Titans-could use a T, especially after the disaster with Wilson, but the need is at RT. 23. Jets-again the need is at RT, and just about every other spot on the roster. 24. Pittsburgh-see earlier analysis above 25. Jaguars-Meyer has said the team is fine at the T positions. I think the key teams in the analysis are Chicago, Washington, and Pittsburgh. If the Steelers' C-T dichotomy plays out as I described above, and Washington and Chicago decide to take another position, I could see Cosmi or AVT (depending on how you view him) or Eichenberg possibly available at KC's pick. It would be a risky strategy for the Colts to trade back, but given their recent history, it wouldn't shock me to see them trade back. Quote:I rarely fall for linebackers, but Zaven Collins is so good at EVERY aspect of the position and is so versatile for every scheme, I see him as a "can't miss" player.It's funny. The very first player I watched on TV and associated with draft position and his ability to play in the NFL was a linebacker-Wilber Marshall. I saw him play against USC in '82. He was absolutely all over the place. Cornelius Bennett was another player. In any event, I similarly see good things in Collins, though I don't see him as the pass rusher Bennett was. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
I'm already changing my draft based on today's numbers. No way, Pitts falls to #11. His size, wingspan, vertical and 40 were eye popping. The Falcons would save $5 million with no dead money if they cut Hayden Hurst after the upcoming season. Pitts is so much better than any QB they could get at #4 and Matt Ryan would count so much against their cap if he is cut or traded in the next 2 years, that I now believe Pitts is a much better choice for them.
(03-31-2021, 12:15 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I'm already changing my draft based on today's numbers. No way, Pitts falls to #11. His size, wingspan, vertical and 40 were eye popping. The Falcons would save $5 million with no dead money if they cut Hayden Hurst after the upcoming season. Pitts is so much better than any QB they could get at #4 and Matt Ryan would count so much against their cap if he is cut or traded in the next 2 years, that I now believe Pitts is a much better choice for them. I heard that Pitts has the longest wingspan of any TE or WR that has come though over the last 20 or so years, and has a longer wingspan than Mekhi Becton. At that size, speed and length, it is no wonder he poses a match up nightmare. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
(03-31-2021, 01:18 PM)Bullseye Wrote:(03-31-2021, 12:15 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I'm already changing my draft based on today's numbers. No way, Pitts falls to #11. His size, wingspan, vertical and 40 were eye popping. The Falcons would save $5 million with no dead money if they cut Hayden Hurst after the upcoming season. Pitts is so much better than any QB they could get at #4 and Matt Ryan would count so much against their cap if he is cut or traded in the next 2 years, that I now believe Pitts is a much better choice for them. Agreed. I look for some team to trade up with Atlanta at this point. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(03-31-2021, 01:29 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:(03-31-2021, 01:18 PM)Bullseye Wrote: I heard that Pitts has the longest wingspan of any TE or WR that has come though over the last 20 or so years, and has a longer wingspan than Mekhi Becton. I think Atlanta takes him
Liam Eichenberg solidified my opinion of him as a first round selection today. He put up 33 reps on the bench and looked very nimble on the 20 yard shuttle and 3 cone drill. In fact, he put up better numbers in those drills than Tristan Wirfs, Jedrick Willis and Andrew Thomas did last year. His drill results were even better than Ronnie Stanley who posted a 4.69 and 7.96 in his workouts compared to Eichenberg's 4.57 and 7.53. If he falls to #25, I'd select him in a heartbeat. He would greatly upgrade either OT position.
Tough choice for Urban at 25. He could likely have:
Eichenberg Collins Moehrig Barmore No matter who he takes, many will be upset. Collins would be my choice with the hope Eichenberg falls to 33. Collins seems like a can't miss linebacker with a lot of versatility. Couldn't pass on him. (03-31-2021, 04:52 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: Tough choice for Urban at 25. He could likely have: I think that'll be true with just about every pick after Trevor Lawrence at 1. Jaguars fans will have to realize every need will not be filled adequately by this one draft. We were a 1-15 team last year and we only have ten picks. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
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(03-31-2021, 05:30 PM)Bullseye Wrote:(03-31-2021, 04:52 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: Tough choice for Urban at 25. He could likely have: Some needs are absolutely crucial though. (03-31-2021, 06:58 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:(03-31-2021, 05:30 PM)Bullseye Wrote: I think that'll be true with just about every pick after Trevor Lawrence at 1. Jaguars fans will have to realize every need will not be filled adequately by this one draft. We were a 1-15 team last year and we only have ten picks. No doubt. But as happy as I will be when Trevor Lawrence is announced as our top draft pick, I'm positive I will be upset at some point because we didn't address a position I think we should have-at least until the pick they DID make proves me wrong or I otherwise come to grips with the decision. It's typically what happens in every draft. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
(03-31-2021, 04:52 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: Tough choice for Urban at 25. He could likely have: Collins is the easy pass for me. The other three are all close.
Here is my revised 7 round pick, based upon today's big pro days.
Round 1
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(03-31-2021, 04:52 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: Tough choice for Urban at 25. He could likely have:Dream draft for me would be the bottom 3 are available. Take Collins at 25, and Barmore and Moehrig are still sitting there at the top of the 2nd. Then take Barmore at 33 and trade up from 45 to 34 and take Moehrig. Then you could go offense with the rest of the picks. Dream draft. I want to build the team the way the Pats did in the early 2000s when they won 3 out of 4 championships. Great QB and great defense (03-31-2021, 08:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:A good franchise to emulate.(03-31-2021, 04:52 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: Tough choice for Urban at 25. He could likely have:Dream draft for me would be the bottom 3 are available. Take Collins at 25, and Barmore and Moehrig are still sitting there at the top of the 2nd. Then take Barmore at 33 and trade up from 45 to 34 and take Moehrig. Then you could go offense with the rest of the picks. Dream draft. I want to build the team the way the Pats did in the early 2000s when they won 3 out of 4 championships. Great QB and great defense I say one of the keys to that early run for them, and perhaps one of the most underappreciated players on that team was LT Matt Light. Brady almost always had great protection from his blind side. Hopefully we can find out Matt Light. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
(03-31-2021, 08:06 PM)Bullseye Wrote:(03-31-2021, 08:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Dream draft for me would be the bottom 3 are available. Take Collins at 25, and Barmore and Moehrig are still sitting there at the top of the 2nd. Then take Barmore at 33 and trade up from 45 to 34 and take Moehrig. Then you could go offense with the rest of the picks. Dream draft. I want to build the team the way the Pats did in the early 2000s when they won 3 out of 4 championships. Great QB and great defenseA good franchise to emulate. Hopefully, I think Cam has a career year with Urban, Bevell, t Law, and the new culture that will be built |
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