Alex Mack is going to be too expensive for a center, and the Browns have now publicly stated that resigning Mack is a very high priority. I am not sure he ultimately hits free agency. It would not shock me to see him get a new deal with the Browns, or the Brrowns bite the financial bullet and tag him for a year to continue working on a deal.

If the Browns tag him, he has to be paid the average of the top 10 (or whatever the number is) NFL O-lineman, including OT's, not just Centers.  You may know this, but I am reminding you.  And most agree they would be crazy to do that.  Although Jacksonville is Jacksonville, we now have a desirable coach to work with, and it would be better than staying in Cleveland.  So if the Jags and Cleveland make him similar offers, say around $6M per year, maybe he does pick Jacksonville.  Somebody is going to pay him.  Why not the Jags?  Who else we have to pay??  LOL

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Looks like Teddy is beginning to sink. It was pointed out before the Combine that Bridgewater declined to play football at the major college level where the level of competition is fierce just to get on the field as the starting quarterback.

 

Nothing worse than making a promise then not living up to it.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdo...--nfl.html

 

 

Is this a big deal? Let's put it this way: Bridgewater isn't getting drafted for his long-sprint speed. He's a good athlete and can move around the pocket, but he's not really a scrambler, so the number he would have posted likely isn't going to move the dial much.


But from a competitive and accountability standpoint, it's disappointing. Four times in his media session on Saturday, Bridgewater called himself "just a competitor," but this is one competition he chose to sit out.

 

Bridgewater is looking more and more like a back-up NFL quarterback by the day. If he thinks the pressure to compete at the NFL Scouting Combine is too great, he's not going to make it on his own as a starter. His agent can't hold his hand on Sunday.

Exactly.  That is why if Bortles is gone to Houston at #1 (which looking more and more likely), and somebody then takes Clowney at #2, I think the Jags might go with Mack.  He will soon be rated as the next best player after the two OT's (which we don't need).  I don't think Manzeil is even on the radar at #3 for Caldwell for some reason.  Sammy Watkins comes into play there, but I don't know how much Caldwell will weigh in the strong depth of the WR's in this class.  We could get one later if he feels Blackmon will not be back or can't be depended on.

 

Look at the quotes from Caldwell referring to an unnamed player he was raving about while watching film with Pete Prisco.  "

"He's a hard charger."

"He plays his [BLEEP] off."

"He has a ruggedness about him."

"Watch those feet".

 

He sure as heck is not talking about Bridgewater there.  Sounds like Mack to me, but it doesn't really mean a lot, I know.

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Exactly.  That is why if Bortles is gone to Houston at #1 (which looking more and more likely), and somebody then takes Clowney at #2, I think the Jags might go with Mack.  He will soon be rated as the next best player after the two OT's (which we don't need).  I don't think Manzeil is even on the radar at #3 for Caldwell for some reason.  Sammy Watkins comes into play there, but I don't know how much Caldwell will weigh in the strong depth of the WR's in this class.  We could get one later if he feels Blackmon will not be back or can't be depended on.

 

Look at the quotes from Caldwell referring to an unnamed player he was raving about while watching film with Pete Prisco.  "

"He's a hard charger."

"He plays his [BAD WORD REMOVED] off."

"He has a ruggedness about him."

"Watch those feet".

 

He sure as heck is not talking about Bridgewater there.  Sounds like Mack to me, but it doesn't really mean a lot, I know.

If I recall, that was a QB film he was watching with Prisco. Honestly it sounds like Manziel to me.

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If I recall, that was a QB film he was watching with Prisco. Honestly it sounds like Manziel to me.

"While we sat in his office, we watched one passer and several other players on the big screen. I told him I would not identify the players. As we watched the videos, Caldwell oozed scout, tracing back to his roots coming up through the ranks."

 

That is not the way I perceived it from the above quote right before Caldwell's comments.  His comments might have been about more than one player.

 

I highly doubt it was about Bridgewater no matter how you look at it. LOL

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I think I would rather have Garrap in round 3

1st Clowney

2nd Van Noy

3rd Garrop

4th Camparrilo

 

Still dont see the harm in trading a 4th or 5th for Cousins though if we arent sold on this class of QB.

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I think I would rather have Garrap in round 3

1st Clowney

2nd Van Noy

3rd Garrop

4th Camparrilo

 

Still dont see the harm in trading a 4th or 5th for Cousins though if we arent sold on this class of QB.

LOL.  A 4th or a 5th in addition to WHAT for Cousins?  You really think they would trade an NFL starter for that, especially when they took him in round 3??  They would probably want a low 1st rounder or high 2nd round pick from some team.

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LOL.  A 4th or a 5th in addition to WHAT for Cousins?  You really think they would trade an NFL starter for that, especially when they took him in round 3??  They would probably want a low 1st rounder or high 2nd round pick from some team.

 

at best they get a 4th rounder he played himself out of a 2nd rounder with the end of the year showing.

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Blah blah blah.

 

Year after year, players elect not to do drills, etc. at the combine.

 

It's a non story.

 

Do you think whatever gold stars Alabama T Cyrus Kouandjio earned for competitiveness by participating in drills is going to offset the disastrous results?

 

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap2000...io-fizzles

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/19698...es-3rd-day

 

A non-story? The Combine simply confirms what we already know about Bridgewater. His agent is NOT going to stand in the huddle holding his hand on Sunday, is he?

 

Bridgewater lacks the essential competitive nature. The Combine proves it. That's a pretty big story.

 

This is turning into Geno Smith 2.0 a lot quicker than I thought it would.

 

Hey, according to sources, the Jets think Michael Vick is in and Geno is going bye-bye. That's not possible if Bridgewater is taken high in the first round.

 

Why throw away a pick on Bridgewater?

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A non-story? The Combine simply confirms what we already know about Bridgewater. His agent is NOT going to stand in the huddle holding his hand on Sunday, is he?

 

Bridgewater lacks the essential competitive nature. The Combine proves it. That's a pretty big story.

 

This is turning into Geno Smith 2.0 a lot quicker than I thought it would.

 

Hey, according to sources, the Jets think Michael Vick is in and Geno is going bye-bye. That's not possible if Bridgewater is taken high in the first round.

 

Why throw away a pick on Bridgewater?

 

Those whole posts reeks ridiculousness and trolling. 

Lacks competitive nature????? I guess Luck, RG3, Stafford, Braford, Ryan, Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers all lacked competitive nature too right

 

Geno Smith 2.0???? So he is darker than what you want, so he is Geno Smith

 

The more you most the more I wonder about you and what agenda you truly represent

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Look at the quotes from Caldwell referring to an unnamed player he was raving about while watching film with Pete Prisco. "

"He's a hard charger."

"He plays his [BAD WORD REMOVED] off."

"He has a ruggedness about him."

"Watch those feet".

It could be Manziel or maybe...


Greg Robinson?


He doesn't take plays off. He plays with a mean streak but is a bit raw.


And that last line is usually said when discussing Offensive Tackles....

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A non-story? The Combine simply confirms what we already know about Bridgewater. His agent is NOT going to stand in the huddle holding his hand on Sunday, is he?

 

Bridgewater lacks the essential competitive nature. The Combine proves it. That's a pretty big story.

 

This is turning into Geno Smith 2.0 a lot quicker than I thought it would.

 

Hey, according to sources, the Jets think Michael Vick is in and Geno is going bye-bye. That's not possible if Bridgewater is taken high in the first round.

 

Why throw away a pick on Bridgewater?

Manziel also decided not to throw at the combine.

 

Any knocks against his competitiveness?

 

Of course not.  Why do I ask?!?

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"While we sat in his office, we watched one passer and several other players on the big screen. I told him I would not identify the players. As we watched the videos, Caldwell oozed scout, tracing back to his roots coming up through the ranks."

 

That is not the way I perceived it from the above quote right before Caldwell's comments.  His comments might have been about more than one player.

 

I highly doubt it was about Bridgewater no matter how you look at it. LOL

We're getting bridgewater so my friend get over it.

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Manziel also decided not to throw at the combine.

 

Any knocks against his competitiveness?

 

Of course not.  Why do I ask?!?

Well, you pop in and never read posts.

 

That's par for the course with you for as long as I've known you.

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Well, you pop in and never read posts.

 

That's par for the course with you for as long as I've known you.

 

I just re-read this entire thread.

 

Unless you

 

A)  Posted your opinions of Manziel not throwing in another thread; or

 

B ) Posted some Manziel opinions under another name

 

your point here is moot.

 

At the end of the day, you are making a mountain out of less than a molehill with his refusal to throw at the combine.

 

In fact, I'd like you to cite one definitive instance where a guy's refusal to throw at the combine was the sole reason for a guy dropping in the draft.

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/10801...ng-in-indy

 

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/09000d5...t-throwing

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/35198...ow-in-indy

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Those whole posts reeks ridiculousness and trolling. 

Lacks competitive nature????? I guess Luck, RG3, Stafford, Braford, Ryan, Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers all lacked competitive nature too right

 

Geno Smith 2.0???? So he is darker than what you want, so he is Geno Smith

 

The more you most the more I wonder about you and what agenda you truly represent

 

If you accept his theory that Bridgewater's school choice is indicative of his lack of competitiveness, you'd have to ignore the fact when he played HS football, he had to beat out his competition for the QB spot.  He had to compete against opposing high school teams.  When he went to Louisville, he had to compete against other QBs to win the spot.  You can argue Louisville didn't play strong opponents on a regular basis, but when he went up against Florida and Miami, did he take himself out of those games?  No, he carved them up.

 

Taking his argument at face value, you'd have to conclude that Brett Favre, Steve McNair, Ben Roethlisberger, Rich Gannon, Joe Flacco, Colin Kaepernick, Kurt Warner, Roger Staubach, Ken Anderson, Terry Bradshaw, Phil Simms and many other QBs lacked competitive fire because they didn't play at an SEC school.

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I just re-read this entire thread.

 

Unless you

 

A)  Posted your opinions of Manziel not throwing in another thread; or

 

B ) Posted some Manziel opinions under another name

 

your point here is moot.

 

At the end of the day, you are making a mountain out of less than a molehill with his refusal to throw at the combine.

 

In fact, I'd like you to cite one definitive instance where a guy's refusal to throw at the combine was the sole reason for a guy dropping in the draft.

The sole reason?

 

Bridgewater is dropping in many big boards relating to the Combine confirming his lack of competitiveness. He declined to accept scholarship offers from big schools that required him to compete against the best possible quarterback competition they could stimulate.

 

Please evaluate the facts relating to Bridgewater retracting his letter.

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...mother-ncf

 

The commitment made sense. Bridgewater had grown close with then-coach Randy Shannon, and he would be able to play close to home. But he started reconsidering his options before Shannon was fired in November 2010. Bridgewater decommitted in early December, and it drew national attention, devastating some in the Miami community.


Murphy says Bridgewater changed his mind before Shannon was let go. At one point, she thought her son would end up at LSU. But he eventually chose Louisville, in part, because he felt he could win a starting job early in his career.

 

http://theadvocate.com/sports/4795590-32...er-turning

 

“It was a tough decision, and I prayed about it a lot,” Bridgewater said. “But when (LSU) asked me to delay my official visit because they were going out to Kansas to take a look at Mettenberger, I knew LSU wasn’t the school for me.”

 

You can figure this out.

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The sole reason?

 

Bridgewater is dropping in many big boards relating to the Combine confirming his lack of competitiveness. He declined to accept scholarship offers from big schools that required him to compete against the best possible quarterback competition they could stimulate.

 

Please evaluate the facts relating to Bridgewater retracting his letter.

 

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...mother-ncf

 

The commitment made sense. Bridgewater had grown close with then-coach Randy Shannon, and he would be able to play close to home. But he started reconsidering his options before Shannon was fired in November 2010. Bridgewater decommitted in early December, and it drew national attention, devastating some in the Miami community.


Murphy says Bridgewater changed his mind before Shannon was let go. At one point, she thought her son would end up at LSU. But he eventually chose Louisville, in part, because he felt he could win a starting job early in his career.

 

http://theadvocate.com/sports/4795590-32...er-turning

 

“It was a tough decision, and I prayed about it a lot,” Bridgewater said. “But when (LSU) asked me to delay my official visit because they were going out to Kansas to take a look at Mettenberger, I knew LSU wasn’t the school for me.”

 

You can figure this out.

listening to bridgewater talk about why he accepted lousville over miami made sense.

 

He wanted stability at the school and Louisville just signed the ehad coach and he thought the coach would be there for his years at the school. He was not so sure about Miami.

He aslo wanted to get away from home because he the thought the distraction of his mothers breast cancer would pull him away from football.

 

And this whole thing about not wanting to compete against other QB's? SO what why not go to a college that says your our guy instead of going to one that says your one of our 4 guys this year and then 8 next year and so on. I personally would rather my son go to a college like UCF, Baylor, Pitt, Rutgers and get the chance to get on the field sooner than have them go to Alabama, USC, Michigan were they recruit 4 top 20 guys at his position per year. Yes competition is great but playing is greater.

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i'd like us to take one of teddy mack or clowney at 3 or 6

either or i think provides they provide us with good value at 3 or excellent at 6.

 

me i think teddy will be gone and clowney doesn't really want to be in jacksonville so i want us to take mack at 6 and get a 2nd and 4th from atlanta for them to take clowney

try mack at the leo but i think he will struggle against the run but he has show he can play it in college

i would prefer to see him next to poz and geno and let him go to work.

 

with the first of the second rounders go trenches i think the centre class is weaker up to so i would like later and go

guard xavier su'a filo first round talent early in the second... i like yankey but i think filo's added mobility would be a benefit, top class guard prospect that could secure the left guard for the forseeable future

 

and with the second i take bradley roby, i understand why people aren't high on this kid especially given his poor play this year, but he has the speed and by his bench yesterday the strength to become a number one cornor. Getting him in the second is likely and is a steal. I take him only if we get a second pick in the second as i feel roby gratz and mccray have the ability to be a leading cornor tandem for a good long time

 

3rd i take weston richburg- i think the de class is better in free agency than the centre class mack aside (who i think will want too much money) and would rather we went after a de in fa and a centre in the draft. If we don't adress the qb at 3 we will likely have henne under centre next year which means the centre has time to bed in

 

4th(3 picks with the trade)

i take daniel mcullers- a big run stuffing dt is exactly what we need to take the pressure of marks by rotating in and eventually replace miller full time. Mcullers is huge strong with room to grow. I would prefer to take him in the 3rd to make sure we get him but i think the early 3rd round is too early and would rather spend it on a centre

donte moncrief- big body wide out great combine performance i think he is the right sort of guy to take at wideout and at the right place in the draft

i then take david fales with the ravens pick in the 4th

 

5th- i take james white rb- small well developed back with great cuts that i was high on all through- not ideal size but a great all rounder that knows how to hit the hole. At a 5th I'm very happy with him

5th- george uko dt- a developmental prospect that could line up anywhere on the d line either to back up marks or to sit behind and eventually provide competition to alualu

 

6th- kevin pierre louis- fastest lb at the combine and reminds me of russel allen think he is a great bet as a development prospect and would be very happy going into the season with a core of poz mack hayes and back ups allen reynold pierre louis

 

7th- kadeem edwards guard- not a mover but a big strong guard with pretty perfect physical attributes long arms good size once again a developmental prospect for a weak o line

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i'd like us to take one of teddy mack or clowney at 3 or 6

either or i think provides they provide us with good value at 3 or excellent at 6.

 

me i think teddy will be gone and clowney doesn't really want to be in jacksonville so i want us to take mack at 6 and get a 2nd and 4th from atlanta for them to take clowney

try mack at the leo but i think he will struggle against the run but he has show he can play it in college

i would prefer to see him next to poz and geno and let him go to work.

 

with the first of the second rounders go trenches i think the centre class is weaker up to so i would like later and go

guard xavier su'a filo first round talent early in the second... i like yankey but i think filo's added mobility would be a benefit, top class guard prospect that could secure the left guard for the forseeable future

 

and with the second i take bradley roby, i understand why people aren't high on this kid especially given his poor play this year, but he has the speed and by his bench yesterday the strength to become a number one cornor. Getting him in the second is likely and is a steal. I take him only if we get a second pick in the second as i feel roby gratz and mccray have the ability to be a leading cornor tandem for a good long time

 

3rd i take weston richburg- i think the de class is better in free agency than the centre class mack aside (who i think will want too much money) and would rather we went after a de in fa and a centre in the draft. If we don't adress the qb at 3 we will likely have henne under centre next year which means the centre has time to bed in

 

4th(3 picks with the trade)

i take daniel mcullers- a big run stuffing dt is exactly what we need to take the pressure of marks by rotating in and eventually replace miller full time. Mcullers is huge strong with room to grow. I would prefer to take him in the 3rd to make sure we get him but i think the early 3rd round is too early and would rather spend it on a centre

donte moncrief- big body wide out great combine performance i think he is the right sort of guy to take at wideout and at the right place in the draft

i then take david fales with the ravens pick in the 4th

 

5th- i take james white rb- small well developed back with great cuts that i was high on all through- not ideal size but a great all rounder that knows how to hit the hole. At a 5th I'm very happy with him

5th- george uko dt- a developmental prospect that could line up anywhere on the d line either to back up marks or to sit behind and eventually provide competition to alualu

 

6th- kevin pierre louis- fastest lb at the combine and reminds me of russel allen think he is a great bet as a development prospect and would be very happy going into the season with a core of poz mack hayes and back ups allen reynold pierre louis

 

7th- kadeem edwards guard- not a mover but a big strong guard with pretty perfect physical attributes long arms good size once again a developmental prospect for a weak o line

 

I like the idea of trading back a little more than before.  Though it would be difficult to trade back when a talent like Clowney is on the board, I also like the idea of having more picks, especially the two second round picks and an extra 4th in a really deep draft.  My first choice would be to stay at three, but a scenario like one you just floated would be nice,

 

A few questions though...

 

1. Why only one QB?  Granted, I understand the need for many immediate impact players on this roster, but given how bad the QB situation is here. if we don't go QB in the first, why not hedge our bets with two QBs in the middle rounds, especially with the extra picks gained from a trade down?

 

2.  I like the way you are thinking with the extra corner early on, but why Roby, especially if you think his tape is bad?  I think you can get good value with CB in the second round without getting a guy you think is bad.

 

3.  Why do you think Moncrief lasts to round 4?  I don't see him getting past the 2nd round, TBH,

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