Though Cisco definitely has a physical aspect to his game, I wouldn't rate him as highly as DD in that area.

Conversely, he is much better playing the ball than DD was.

Ultimately, I think he'll prove to be a tremendous asset in the secondary.

If I had to rank all time Jaguars safeties...

1.  DD
2.  Deon Grant
3.  Gipson
4.  Carnell Lake
5.  Reggie Nelson

If a Safety had a combination of Reggie Nelson's ball skills and everything other than ball skills that DD provided, the end result would very likely be a many time 1st Team All Pro Safety.

Nelson could be fooled though.  Manning would toy with him.  If yu could combine his range and leaping ability with DD's film study, size, physicality, yes, you would have an all pro.

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Darius was always one of my favorite Jaguars players. Unfortunately, we've been looking for a Safety like him ever since he left.

Though Cisco definitely has a physical aspect to his game, I wouldn't rate him as highly as DD in that area.

Conversely, he is much better playing the ball than DD was.

Ultimately, I think he'll prove to be a tremendous asset in the secondary.

If I had to rank all time Jaguars safeties...

1.  DD
2.  Deon Grant
3.  Gipson
4.  Carnell Lake
5.  Reggie Nelson

Nelson became a good player after he left though, better than Grant and Gipson.

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Though Cisco definitely has a physical aspect to his game, I wouldn't rate him as highly as DD in that area.

Conversely, he is much better playing the ball than DD was.

Ultimately, I think he'll prove to be a tremendous asset in the secondary.

If I had to rank all time Jaguars safeties...

1.  DD
2.  Deon Grant
3.  Gipson
4.  Carnell Lake
5.  Reggie Nelson

Nelson became a good player after he left though, better than Grant and Gipson.

Absolutely he did, which makes me wonder what the hell happened here. Did JDR simply give up on him too soon?  Did Nelson simply need a change?  Did he get better coaching in Cincinnati under Marvin lewis than he did under JDR?

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Nelson became a good player after he left though, better than Grant and Gipson.

Absolutely he did, which makes me wonder what the hell happened here. Did JDR simply give up on him too soon?  Did Nelson simply need a change?  Did he get better coaching in Cincinnati under Marvin lewis than he did under JDR?

It's my understanding that Nelson wasn't the brightest bulb in the box.  They probably just simplified things a bit.

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Absolutely he did, which makes me wonder what the hell happened here. Did JDR simply give up on him too soon?  Did Nelson simply need a change?  Did he get better coaching in Cincinnati under Marvin lewis than he did under JDR?

It's my understanding that Nelson wasn't the brightest bulb in the box.  They probably just simplified things a bit.

I heard that too, which begs the question why not simplify things here if it'll make him a better player?

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It's my understanding that Nelson wasn't the brightest bulb in the box.  They probably just simplified things a bit.

I heard that too, which begs the question why not simplify things here if it'll make him a better player?

Been seeing guys get over-coached for years, and all it does is slow them down.  That's one reason I like a lot of what Meyer has been saying.  He doesn't want his players over-thinking things on the field so they can play faster.

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Nelson became a good player after he left though, better than Grant and Gipson.

Absolutely he did, which makes me wonder what the hell happened here. Did JDR simply give up on him too soon?  Did Nelson simply need a change?  Did he get better coaching in Cincinnati under Marvin lewis than he did under JDR?

They let him freelance a whole lot more. IIRC we were forcing a lot of cover 2/zone stuff and he just didn't take to that scheme.

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I'd keep it exactly how we have it..I think they did a great job in the draft with everything they wanted..They went in knowing what,who,where they were looking for..I love the ETN pick..Can't understate that one..I love what they did with who they could get..

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I'd keep it exactly how we have it..I think they did a great job in the draft with everything they wanted..They went in knowing what,who,where they were looking for..I love the ETN pick..Can't understate that one..I love what they did with who they could get..

Welcome back.

I don't "love" the draft yet.

Of course, drafting Trevor Lawrence gets me a long long way towards loving it.  But aside fro, him, the Walker Little pick will determine if I LOVE this draft. 

Though the picks at 25 and 33 were largely unexpected, I think both players can make the team better.  I really like the Cisco pick.

But if Little can upgrade one of the T positions this year, whether Left or Right, that will take this draft to another level.  Aside from Lawrence, Little is the key to this draft.

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I'd keep it exactly how we have it..I think they did a great job in the draft with everything they wanted..They went in knowing what,who,where they were looking for..I love the ETN pick..Can't understate that one..I love what they did with who they could get..

I'll say this much... Urban has been planning this for a while.. He made this account back in 08. That's some foresight.

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I have a feeling you would have still found a way to complain.

Yep. And now we have his "ideal" draft in writing

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I have a feeling you would have still found a way to complain.

Yep. And now we have his "ideal" draft in writing

As you will every year. I have no problem standing by my selections. You can look back on my posts after last year's draft. We were discussing draft grades and I said I would have taken.....

#9 Tristan Wirfs, OT, Iowa
#20 Justin Jefferson, WR, LSU
#42 Jaylon Johnson, CB, Utah
#73 DaVon Hamilton, DT, Ohio State

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1. Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
25. Teven Jenkins, OT, Oklahoma State
33. Trevon Moehrig, S, TCU
45. Pat Freiermuth, TE, PSU
65. Joseph Ossai, Edge, Texas
106. Jabril Cox, LB LSU
130. Kenneth Gainwell, RB, Memphis 
145. Daviyon Nixon, DL, Iowa 
170. Trey Smith, OG, Tenn 
249. Jermar Jefferson, RB, Oregon State

I thought it would be fun to revisit our draft "re-do"'s.  My draft is a little hard to evaluate because of two major injuries.  However, I largely still like it.  Besides a franchise quarterback, we would have gotten quality starters at safety (Moehrig), tight end (Freiermuth) and guard (Trey Smith).  It's still largley unknown since he spent most of the year injured, but I would be excited to have Teven Jenkins right now.  We also don't know about Ossai since he was injured all year, but I thought he was excellent value and you can never have too much pass rush.  While we wouldn't have ETN, we would have a speedy running back in Gainwell.  Cox and Nixon have done less than I imagined, but we also got almost zero production out of Meyer/Baalke's day 3 draft selections.  The one thing I didn't go after was cornerback.  I didn't realize the extent of Henderson's mental problems at the time.  However, I still overall mostly like my picks.

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Knowing now how the draft played out, what picks would you have made with our original picks?


1. Trevor Lawrence QB Clemson
25. Teven Jenkins RT Oklahoma State
33. Liam Eichenberg LT Notre Dame
45. Terrace Marshall WR LSU
65. Hunter Long TE BC
106. Emerson Smith OLB Northern Iowa
130. Kenneth Gainwell RB Memphis 
145. Jamar Johnson FS Indiana
170. Jaylen Twyman DE/DT Pitt
249. Cole Banwart OG Iowa

1. Trevor Lawrence QB Clemson

25. Gregory Rousseau DE Miami

33. Liam Eichenberg LT Notre Dame

45. Pat Freiermuth TE Penn St.

65. Josh Palmer WR Tennessee

106. Shaun Wade CB Ohio St.

121. Chubba Hubbard RB Oklahoma St.

145. Richard LeCounte S Georgia

209. Trey Smith G Tennessee


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How are you leaving off walker little ? He has looked like he has a future as. A starting LT.

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I think our actual draft looks better than most of the redos I see here which isn't surprising. ETN ofcourse we know nothing yet.. but man some of yall really were clamoring for some bums lol.

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How are you leaving off walker little ? He has looked like he has a future as. A starting LT.

Why can’t he beat out Cam

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How are you leaving off walker little ? He has looked like he has a future as. A starting LT.

Why can’t he beat out Cam

The tape on his last two games looks better than any two games  from Cam in 2021.

He DID beat him. There's just not an offseason depth chart for you to refer to.

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How are you leaving off walker little ? He has looked like he has a future as. A starting LT.

Why can’t he beat out Cam

In all likelihood, he probably was better than Cam but again, incompetent coaching. Cisco was worlds better than Dewey.

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I think our actual draft looks better than most of the redos I see here which isn't surprising. ETN ofcourse we know nothing yet.. but man some of yall really were clamoring for some bums lol.

Every player I provided with the exception of Lawrence played on better football teams (some in the play offs), produced, or, was a wash at a similar position that had the same pedigree coming out of college at a later RD selection wise.

Virtually every player would have started or had some level of competence in areas of need on this team. Granted, this coaching staff sucks and you would need to trust them to do the right thing.

Show your redo.

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