Both are not good, but Trevor alone is better than 2020 combined.

I can agree with that especially if we give him enough support.

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I loved Wirfs, but I was slightly higher on Wills...and I was the low man on Becton. Liked him, and still do, but a man that uniquely big is also pretty scary. Worried about his longevity.

Jefferson at 20 should have been the no brainer of the century.

I think I had a lower opinion of him than anybody.

I wanted nothing to do with him.  What a miss, eh?

I don't understand how?  He is the size of Ogden that moved great and good hands.  You like smaller tackles?  I liked Wirfs because I wanted him to take Cans spot but we knew he could play tackle as well.  Wirfs would be an All Pro guard imo but hes a great RT too.  When I draft a tackle I want size

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Size is the first thing I like at when drafting a tackle. It's one of the reason I love Little, dude is massive and does everything else well too. Almost all of the great tackles in history had a size advantage and where massive dudes

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I know Upper likes smaller tackles and smaller players

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Elijah Moore is the 1 player in this draft I think we regret not taking. I think he will be one of the best WRs in the league within a couple years. Moore's addition to this offense with Etienne as well would take this offense to the next level. I hope I'm wrong and Campbell becomes one of the best corners in this league, Campbell's upside at corner is as high as any corners in this draft imo and I hope he lives up to his potential

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I can agree with that especially if we give him enough support.

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I think I had a lower opinion of him than anybody.

I wanted nothing to do with him.  What a miss, eh?

I don't understand how?  He is the size of Ogden that moved great and good hands.  You like smaller tackles?  I liked Wirfs because I wanted him to take Cans spot but we knew he could play tackle as well.  Wirfs would be an All Pro guard imo but hes a great RT too.  When I draft a tackle I want size

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Size is the first thing I like at when drafting a tackle. It's one of the reason I love Little, dude is massive and does everything else well too.  Almost all of the great tackles in history had a size advantage and where massive dudes

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I know Upper likes smaller tackles and smaller players

To clarify...I liked Wirfs.  I did NOT like Becton because I thought he would be too big to work at LT (and possibly RT).  NFL history is replete with guys who were too big and had no feet to function outside in pass protection (eg Aaron Gibson).  At 370, Becton was bigger than all of them except Gibson.  Go back and watch the Dallas-Buffalo Super Bowls.  At 350 plus pounds, Bills RT House Ballard had a reputation for being a good RT.  But he was absolutely eaten alive in pass protection by guys he outweighed by almost 100 lbs.

I think feet are of utmost importance when looking at tackles.  While there are guys who get overpowered in pass protection, I would suggest more sacks occur because guys are beaten with quickness off the snap than power.

I don't necessarily like smaller tackles as much as I am averse to Ts that are too big. and have no feet.  That was my concern with Becton.

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I don't understand how?  He is the size of Ogden that moved great and good hands.  You like smaller tackles?  I liked Wirfs because I wanted him to take Cans spot but we knew he could play tackle as well.  Wirfs would be an All Pro guard imo but hes a great RT too.  When I draft a tackle I want size

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Size is the first thing I like at when drafting a tackle. It's one of the reason I love Little, dude is massive and does everything else well too.  Almost all of the great tackles in history had a size advantage and where massive dudes

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I know Upper likes smaller tackles and smaller players

To clarify...I liked Wirfs.  I did NOT like Becton because I thought he would be too big to work at LT (and possibly RT).  NFL history is replete with guys who were too big and had no feet to function outside in pass protection (eg Aaron Gibson).  At 370, Becton was bigger than all of them except Gibson.  Go back and watch the Dallas-Buffalo Super Bowls.  At 350 plus pounds, Bills RT House Ballard had a reputation for being a good RT.  But he was absolutely eaten alive in pass protection by guys he outweighed by almost 100 lbs.

I think feet are of utmost importance when looking at tackles.  While there are guys who get overpowered in pass protection, I would suggest more sacks occur because guys are beaten with quickness off the snap than power.

I don't necessarily like smaller tackles as much as I am averse to Ts that are too big. and have no feet.  That was my concern with Becton.

It's not like Becton was just some tree sitting there lol.  Dude had good feet and was good with his hands and would maul people.  Feet is very important but when i want to look for my bookend tackle I want a guy that can pass block and maul people in the run game.  If you get a smaller tackle he will be a liability in the run game but there have been plenty of tackles that can be a great pass protector and a beast in run blocking and most of the greats were.

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To clarify...I liked Wirfs.  I did NOT like Becton because I thought he would be too big to work at LT (and possibly RT).  NFL history is replete with guys who were too big and had no feet to function outside in pass protection (eg Aaron Gibson).  At 370, Becton was bigger than all of them except Gibson.  Go back and watch the Dallas-Buffalo Super Bowls.  At 350 plus pounds, Bills RT House Ballard had a reputation for being a good RT.  But he was absolutely eaten alive in pass protection by guys he outweighed by almost 100 lbs.

I think feet are of utmost importance when looking at tackles.  While there are guys who get overpowered in pass protection, I would suggest more sacks occur because guys are beaten with quickness off the snap than power.

I don't necessarily like smaller tackles as much as I am averse to Ts that are too big. and have no feet.  That was my concern with Becton.

It's not like Becton was just some tree sitting there lol.  Dude had good feet and was good with his hands and would maul people.  Feet is very important but when i want to look for my bookend tackle I want a guy that can pass block and maul people in the run game.  If you get a smaller tackle he will be a liability in the run game but there have been plenty of tackles that can be a great pass protector and a beast in run blocking and most of the greats were.

I think there is a balance to be struck size wise.  A guy can be too small or too big to be effective.

I agree with you on Little.  He has great size, especially in the upper body. I just hope he can shake off the rust quickly, and learn to handle guys who cross his face on stunts(see Notre Dame).

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I prioritize feet first, and then if they have the size that's great (obviously a major simplification). Caldwell had his size thresholds and then if they had the feet that was gravy for him. That's the wrong way to do it, as Cam and Taylor have taught us.

Becton and Little have both the feet and size. Becton has a history of weight and work ethic problems in college so I was, and still am, worried about his longevity. As long as he stays in shape he's going to be a stud though.

Wirfs had major overstepping issues (much like Cam), and in almost every case like that it's because they lack the feet and have to sacrifice technique to protect the edge. As soon as Wirfs posted his absurd testing numbers though it was clear his worries were only technical and that he could get that coached right real quick, which he obviously did.

Wills was the bulletproof one for me. Great everything except that he was a career RT even back to his high school days at my alma mater. Literally all he had to do was make the not difficult switch to LT and he was golden, which he also is.

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I prioritize feet first, and then if they have the size that's great (obviously a major simplification). Caldwell had his size thresholds and then if they had the feet that was gravy for him. That's the wrong way to do it, as Cam and Taylor have taught us.

Becton and Little have both the feet and size. Becton has a history of weight and work ethic problems in college so I was, and still am, worried about his longevity. As long as he stays in shape he's going to be a stud though.

Wirfs had major overstepping issues (much like Cam), and in almost every case like that it's because they lack the feet and have to sacrifice technique to protect the edge. As soon as Wirfs posted his absurd testing numbers though it was clear his worries were only technical and that he could get that coached right real quick, which he obviously did.

Wills was the bulletproof one for me. Great everything except that he was a career RT even back to his high school days at my alma mater. Literally all he had to do was make the not difficult switch to LT and he was golden, which he also is.

Lol, it's funny you say not so difficult switch of the tackle positions when almost all that have done it has said it's not easy.  I think I'll go with the plays that have done it words.  Wills is the 3rd best out of the 3 and I think Thomas will have a much improved 2nd year

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Lol, it's funny you say not so difficult switch of the tackle positions when almost all that have done it has said it's not easy.  I think I'll go with the plays that have done it words.  Wills is the 3rd best out of the 3 and I think Thomas will have a much improved 2nd year

Some say more difficult (definitely not almost all), but when you read the context what they really mean is that it took longer than they expected. It definitely takes time to relearn the muscle memory, but it's not that hard. That's why every team has at least one swing tackle. If it was truly that difficult there wouldn't be dozens of players in the league that could do either one at a moments notice.

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Lol, it's funny you say not so difficult switch of the tackle positions when almost all that have done it has said it's not easy.  I think I'll go with the plays that have done it words.  Wills is the 3rd best out of the 3 and I think Thomas will have a much improved 2nd year

Some say more difficult (definitely not almost all), but when you read the context what they really mean is that it took longer than they expected. It definitely takes time to relearn the muscle memory, but it's not that hard. That's why every team has at least one swing tackle. If it was truly that difficult there wouldn't be dozens of players in the league that could do either one at a moments notice.

Any player can do it, but it doesnt mean it's easy or that they will be as good as their natural tackle position.

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I would say that presently, 2020 appears worse than 2021. So long as TLaw is our starter for at least the next 5 seasons, I can't see how anyone can categorize 2020 as a better draft.

2020's biggest flaw especially at the top was that each pick looked more like an attempt to replace a player than to acquire the best talent/fit at the spot we picked. Henderson was Ramsey's replacement, and Chaisson probably wouldn't have been the pick if Ngakoue never voiced his displeasure with the team. The switch to 3-4 may help him the most, but that pick in particular set the mood for that draft's evaluation. I think we got some decent depth players in that draft, though, so if we split early and late picks, I would give 2020 the edge on the later choices.

In time, though, that too may shift to 2021's favor.

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To clarify...I liked Wirfs.  I did NOT like Becton because I thought he would be too big to work at LT (and possibly RT).  NFL history is replete with guys who were too big and had no feet to function outside in pass protection (eg Aaron Gibson).  At 370, Becton was bigger than all of them except Gibson.  Go back and watch the Dallas-Buffalo Super Bowls.  At 350 plus pounds, Bills RT House Ballard had a reputation for being a good RT.  But he was absolutely eaten alive in pass protection by guys he outweighed by almost 100 lbs.

I think feet are of utmost importance when looking at tackles.  While there are guys who get overpowered in pass protection, I would suggest more sacks occur because guys are beaten with quickness off the snap than power.

I don't necessarily like smaller tackles as much as I am averse to Ts that are too big. and have no feet.  That was my concern with Becton.

You weren't alone in this regard, Bullseye. I had him ranked lower than he would feasibly be picked, which all but took him off my board. He was a roll of the dice, and I wasn't willing to gamble.

You have to be very confident in your S&C and Nutrition teams when you bring a guy like him in. With our team in flux (we all knew Doug was dead man walking), I wasn't confident we'd have that support structure in place.

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To clarify...I liked Wirfs.  I did NOT like Becton because I thought he would be too big to work at LT (and possibly RT).  NFL history is replete with guys who were too big and had no feet to function outside in pass protection (eg Aaron Gibson).  At 370, Becton was bigger than all of them except Gibson.  Go back and watch the Dallas-Buffalo Super Bowls.  At 350 plus pounds, Bills RT House Ballard had a reputation for being a good RT.  But he was absolutely eaten alive in pass protection by guys he outweighed by almost 100 lbs.

I think feet are of utmost importance when looking at tackles.  While there are guys who get overpowered in pass protection, I would suggest more sacks occur because guys are beaten with quickness off the snap than power.

I don't necessarily like smaller tackles as much as I am averse to Ts that are too big. and have no feet.  That was my concern with Becton.

You weren't alone in this regard, Bullseye. I had him ranked lower than he would feasibly be picked, which all but took him off my board. He was a roll of the dice, and I wasn't willing to gamble.

You have to be very confident in your S&C and Nutrition teams when you bring a guy like him in. With our team in flux (we all knew Doug was dead man walking), I wasn't confident we'd have that support structure in place.

Good point about the strength and conditioning coach.  Will Becton struggle with weight?  I seem to recall he got heavy last year.  

To his credit, he played well last year.  Still, some of the concerns you raise would persist...at least if I were a Jets fan.

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