uh, we do need a QB.   

 

Being 28th in attendance in perfect weather conditions is nothing to brag about.   Scalpers were selling out tickets for $10 outside the gate last year. Anyone can go to the Jag game pretty much for free whereas if you head to Pittsburgh, Philly, or NY, you need to spend $75 at minimum for a ticket and up to $150 if the team is doing good.  If you don't believe me, just keep an eye on stubhub.  Our tickets haven't had any market value over the past 2 years.

Nobody said ranking 28th in attendance is anything to brag about.  That is spectacularly besides the point. 

 

The Jaguars fans are always in a position to have to justify their existence to other fans.  In your own post, you talk about "perfect weather conditions" as a negative to the Jaguars attendance.  You say nothing of the fact the Steelers have been a dominant team over the last 40 years, and that even in off years, the Steelers generally present a respectable product on the field. The worst they've been in that stretch is what...5-11?!?   You say nothing of the 80 plus years of entrenchment in that market as a knock against them.  With all of that going for them, lame weather excuse or not, they SHOULD support that team more than a team without the 8 plus decades and 6 Super Bowl trophies.  But they don't consistently do it.  In fact, the last two years, Jacksonville outdrew the Steelers and had comparable attendance in the two previous years they didn't outdraw them.  Truth be told, Steelers fans are the most overrated, bandwagon jumping bunch of louts in the entire league.

 

I'd LOVE to see the Steelers attendance after 5 straight losing seasons, including a 2-14 and 4-12 stretch.

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I love the city and love the team. But, 28th in attendance is awful for a city with only one pro team to support. The excuses of lack of wins, lack of exciting/productive offense to watch, and lack of stadium experience to get people off their sofa have merit for the attendance not being better. A QB that can make plays and put points on the board would be welcomed by me, however such player is found, acquired, drafted, traded for, grown, or cloned.

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Nobody said ranking 28th in attendance is anything to brag about.  That is spectacularly besides the point. 

 

The Jaguars fans are always in a position to have to justify their existence to other fans.  In your own post, you talk about "perfect weather conditions" as a negative to the Jaguars attendance.  You say nothing of the fact the Steelers have been a dominant team over the last 40 years, and that even in off years, the Steelers generally present a respectable product on the field. The worst they've been in that stretch is what...5-11?!?   You say nothing of the 80 plus years of entrenchment in that market as a knock against them.  With all of that going for them, lame weather excuse or not, they SHOULD support that team more than a team without the 8 plus decades and 6 Super Bowl trophies.  But they don't consistently do it.  In fact, the last two years, Jacksonville outdrew the Steelers and had comparable attendance in the two previous years they didn't outdraw them.  Truth be told, Steelers fans are the most overrated, bandwagon jumping bunch of louts in the entire league.

 

I'd LOVE to see the Steelers attendance after 5 straight losing seasons, including a 2-14 and 4-12 stretch.

 

Here ya go..... check the link.  It's the Seat License Fee.  The cheapest License Fee which does not include any game tickets is $2,225  ---- Let's throw that at our fans who sit in the upper corners and see who comes

 

http://steelers.strmarketplace.com/Seat-...enses.aspx

 

 

Also, please factor in the Penguins sold out every game (42 games @ 18,000 attendence) and the Pirates averaged 25,000 in attendance (80 games)  .  THAT'S 2.7million additional tickets sold for both hockey and baseball.  --- there's only so much disposable income for sports

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I love the city and love the team. But, 28th in attendance is awful for a city with only one pro team to support. The excuses of lack of wins, lack of exciting/productive offense to watch, and lack of stadium experience to get people off their sofa have merit for the attendance not being better. A QB that can make plays and put points on the board would be welcomed by me, however such player is found, acquired, drafted, traded for, grown, or cloned.

 

So then how would you characterized Pittsburgh's attendance?

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uh, we do need a QB.   

 

Being 28th in attendance in perfect weather conditions is nothing to brag about.   Scalpers were selling out tickets for $10 outside the gate last year. Anyone can go to the Jag game pretty much for free whereas if you head to Pittsburgh, Philly, or NY, you need to spend $75 at minimum for a ticket and up to $150 if the team is doing good.  If you don't believe me, just keep an eye on stubhub.  Our tickets haven't had any market value over the past 2 years.

I said the same thing last year about being in the bottom half of the league in attendance is nothing to brag about.


I'm just preparing you for the flame war you are about to encounter.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

The greatest response to Clark and others who have "perceptions" about our fan base not being able to sell out our stadium is to not get into some silly pre-teen twitter back and fourth, but simply buy tickets, simple as that

It's not as simple as that because if so then why it hasn't stop the talk after 4 plus years of no blackouts and yet they still bash this city about the same issues with the same cliches. The only reason i brought up the twitter situation is because in the past there has been media people and other players apologize to this fan base for providing false information when we spoke on our behalf and in turn they gave us respect for standing up to them instead of lying down like a coward. 

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Here ya go..... check the link.  It's the Seat License Fee.  The cheapest License Fee which does not include any game tickets is $2,225  ---- Let's throw that at our fans who sit in the upper corners and see who comes

 

http://steelers.strmarketplace.com/Seat-...enses.aspx

 

 

Also, please factor in the Penguins sold out every game (42 games @ 18,000 attendence) and the Pirates averaged 25,000 in attendance (80 games)  .  THAT'S 2.7million additional tickets sold for both hockey and baseball.  --- there's only so much disposable income for sports

 

Again, that fee is assessed after some 80 years in the market and an extraordinary level of success over the last 40 years.  Most living Steelers fans can not fathom a less than respectable Steelers team the way the Jaguars had in 2012 and the first part of 2013.

 

As for the other sports, BFD.

 

Nobody forces Pittsburghers to shell out their bucks for obviously inferior sports like baseball, just like nobody forces Jaguars fans to go to the beach during football season.

 

At the end of the day, Jaguars fans outdrew the Steelers despite having nowhere near as presentable a product and nowhere near as much time to establish market presence.

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Again, that fee is assessed after some 80 years in the market and an extraordinary level of success over the last 40 years.  Most living Steelers fans can not fathom a less than respectable Steelers team the way the Jaguars had in 2012 and the first part of 2013.

 

As for the other sports, BFD.

 

Nobody forces Pittsburghers to shell out their bucks for obviously inferior sports like baseball, just like nobody forces Jaguars fans to go to the beach during football season.

 

At the end of the day, Jaguars fans outdrew the Steelers despite having nowhere near as presentable a product and nowhere near as much time to establish market presence.

Thank You because i agree with everything you're saying on this situation.

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It's not as simple as that because if so then why it hasn't stop the talk after 4 plus years of no blackouts and yet they still bash this city about the same issues with the same cliches. The only reason i brought up the twitter situation is because in the past their has been media people and other players apologize to this fan base for providing false information and in turn gave us respect for standing up to them instead of lying down like a coward. 

We can't control what other people think and say about our fan base and the perceptions of being able to sell out the stadium.


Last season, FSCJ, UNF, EWC, and JU were giving out multiple free tickets and a lot of people still refused to go, or didn't want the tickets. I can care less about the excuse of the product on the field. Get the free tickets, and give them to people who wants to go.


We have control over that.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Here ya go..... check the link.  It's the Seat License Fee.  The cheapest License Fee which does not include any game tickets is $2,225  ---- Let's throw that at our fans who sit in the upper corners and see who comes

 

http://steelers.strmarketplace.com/Seat-...enses.aspx

 

 

Also, please factor in the Penguins sold out every game (42 games @ 18,000 attendence) and the Pirates averaged 25,000 in attendance (80 games)  .  THAT'S 2.7million additional tickets sold for both hockey and baseball.  --- there's only so much disposable income for sports

Well, we out draw teams like Oakland Raiders, Dolphins, Bucs, Bills and Bengals who have blackout and attendance issues with all their history and tradition behind them so what's their excuse? Hell, the Chargers have blackout issues and a stadium problem and for years they have fielded playoff teams over the last few years and have franchise players throughout their years as an organization. Rivers, Merriman, Gates, LT, and Vincent Jackson

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We can't control what other people think and say about our fan base and the perceptions of being able to sell out the stadium.

Last season, FSCJ, UNF, EWC, and JU were giving out multiple free tickets and a lot of people still refused to go, or didn't want the tickets. I can care less about the excuse of the product on the field. Get the free tickets, and give them to people who wants to go.

We have control over that.

If the product on the field is immaterial, why were people refusing to go, even with free tickets?

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If the product on the field is immaterial, why were people refusing to go, even with free tickets?

Because the majority of people getting the free tickets were not lukewarm football fans.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

It's not as simple as that because if so then why it hasn't stop the talk after 4 plus years of no blackouts and yet they still bash this city about the same issues with the same cliches. The only reason i brought up the twitter situation is because in the past there has been media people and other players apologize to this fan base for providing false information when we spoke on our behalf and in turn they gave us respect for standing up to them instead of lying down like a coward. 

 

And there is the disconnect between you and I, and I don't mean that or my statement in the next few sentences as a slight. I don't need media/former players/talking heads/twitter folks giving me or the fanbase respect. What they are doing is not what I consider an attack; they are running off at the mouth and saying things that aren't true, much like children do or jilted lovers. So what? Their actions do not affect me or mine in any way, and they don't have any impact on this team.

 

The only power that people have is the power you give them. I choose not to give them power.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Because the majority of people getting the free tickets were not lukewarm football fans.

Are you saying these people were or were not avid football fans?


If these were casual fans, do you think a bad team would draw many casual fans to the stadium? I'm talking a team that hasn't had a winning season in 7 years now?


If these fans were avid fans, what would keep avid fans away from the stadium if given free tickets?

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Well, we out draw teams like Oakland Raiders, Dolphins, Bucs, Bills and Bengals who have blackout and attendance issues with all their history and tradition behind them so what's their excuse? Hell, the Chargers have blackout issues and a stadium problem and for years they have fielded playoff teams over the last few years and have franchise players throughout their years as an organization. Rivers, Merriman, Gates, LT, and Vincent Jackson

 

Exactly.

 

I don't mind the town getting trashed for attendance issues if the criticisms are deserved and other towns get trashed for the same issues as well when they deserve it.

 

My objection is to the blatant double standard that exists.

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Are you saying these people were or were not avid football fans?


If these were casual fans, do you think a bad team would draw many casual fans to the stadium? I'm talking a team that hasn't had a winning season in 7 years now?


If these fans were avid fans, what would keep avid fans away from the stadium if given free tickets?

 

If they received free tickets but didnt go then it could have been they were not football fans. It didnt matter if the question was they were avid or lukewarm.

 

Again, removing the excuse of the product on the field, if a person who received free tickets isnt a football fan or have no rooting interest, not giving the tickets to someone who is more interested in going is no excuse.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

If they received free tickets but didnt go then it could have been they were not football fans. It didnt matter if the question was they were avid or lukewarm.

 

Again, removing the excuse of the product on the field, if a person who received free tickets isnt a football fan or have no rooting interest, not giving the tickets to someone who is more interested in going is no excuse.

 

First off, you introduced the fan passion into this discussion in the post to which I first responded.  I'd think it's quite relevant.

 

So if a casual fan is completely ambivalent about attending a game, why would he or she be exceptionally vigilant in seeking out avid football fans to attend?  Isn't it possible that their friends and family aren't particularly avid football fans either?  Why should their failure to distribute free tickets to avid football fans be held against Jacksonville?

 

The product on the field is quite relevant to ticket buying.

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And there is the disconnect between you and I, and I don't mean that or my statement in the next few sentences as a slight. I don't need media/former players/talking heads/twitter folks giving me or the fanbase respect. What they are doing is not what I consider an attack; they are running off at the mouth and saying things that aren't true, much like children do or jilted lovers. So what? Their actions do not affect me or mine in any way, and they don't have any impact on this team.

 

The only power that people have is the power you give them. I choose not to give them power.

I respect that opinion from you.

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Exactly.

 

I don't mind the town getting trashed for attendance issues if the criticisms are deserved and other towns get trashed for the same issues as well when they deserve it.

 

My objection is to the blatant double standard that exists.

I agree with everything you just said because that's my exact same problem and beef with these ignorant people who only want to make this franchise and city the face of everything negative when it comes to negative fan support. I just wish they spread their bashing of negative attendance to everyone who's in the same situation instead of just singling us out base on their personal agenda's. The only person who gives out the same negative bashing when it comes to this subject is Mike Florio on PFT. Hell, the raiders have tarps on their stadium too but no one from the media mentions to words about it. 

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Somebody simply tweet him the facts. It does not have to be an angry attack.

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.