What are you even talking about? The argument is that no one on here knows exactly how Trump would've handled the current situation in Afghanistan, because he made major promises that he didn't live up to. Just because he said something, doesn't mean he'd follow through. You're just trying to sidetrack the discussion, because you don't like what's being pointed out. It's actually pretty funny. You think your pretty clever, don't you?

Was he a liar or just completely naive in the ways of DC?  Serious question.  Through Trumps many flaws, I never questioned his love of America and a desire to make her the best country in the world.

You'll likely never get an answer from him other than he hates Trump, hates all of them and they all suck but Trump most especially. There is not one redeeming thing about Trump to this man.

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What are you even talking about? The argument is that no one on here knows exactly how Trump would've handled the current situation in Afghanistan, because he made major promises that he didn't live up to. Just because he said something, doesn't mean he'd follow through. You're just trying to sidetrack the discussion, because you don't like what's being pointed out. It's actually pretty funny. You think your pretty clever, don't you?

Was he a liar or just completely naive in the ways of DC?  Serious question.  Through Trumps many flaws, I never questioned his love of America and a desire to make her the best country in the world.

It's obvious you drank the Kool-Aid. Honest to God, I believe he was just a liar. He's always been a liar and a blowhard, even way before he got into politics. He was raised that way. Read about his father and you will see why Trump turned out the way that he did. The only thing I never questioned about Trump was his love of money, fame, power and himself. The only reason why he wanted America to be the best country in the world (as he thought it should be,) was because he thought he would get credit for it. He didn't care about the office of the president or it's responsibilities, he just wanted to be president and have all the perks that it offered.

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Was he a liar or just completely naive in the ways of DC?  Serious question.  Through Trumps many flaws, I never questioned his love of America and a desire to make her the best country in the world.

You'll likely never get an answer from him other than he hates Trump, hates all of them and they all suck but Trump most especially. There is not one redeeming thing about Trump to this man.

I gave an honest answer of how I see things. When I find a redeeming quality about the man, I'll let you know.

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Was he a liar or just completely naive in the ways of DC?  Serious question.  Through Trumps many flaws, I never questioned his love of America and a desire to make her the best country in the world.

It's obvious you drank the Kool-Aid. Honest to God, I believe he was just a liar. He's always been a liar and a blowhard, even way before he got into politics. He was raised that way. Read about his father and you will see why Trump turned out the way that he did. The only thing I never questioned about Trump was his love of money, fame, power and himself. The only reason why he wanted America to be the best country in the world (as he thought it should be,) was because he thought he would get credit for it. He didn't care about the office of the president or it's responsibilities, he just wanted to be president and have all the perks that it offered.

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You'll likely never get an answer from him other than he hates Trump, hates all of them and they all suck but Trump most especially. There is not one redeeming thing about Trump to this man.

I gave an honest answer of how I see things. When I find a redeeming quality about the man, I'll let you know.

americus nailed it.  Your hatred is borderline irrational.

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Was he a liar or just completely naive in the ways of DC?  Serious question.  Through Trumps many flaws, I never questioned his love of America and a desire to make her the best country in the world.

It's obvious you drank the Kool-Aid. Honest to God, I believe he was just a liar. He's always been a liar and a blowhard, even way before he got into politics. He was raised that way. Read about his father and you will see why Trump turned out the way that he did. The only thing I never questioned about Trump was his love of money, fame, power and himself. The only reason why he wanted America to be the best country in the world (as he thought it should be,) was because he thought he would get credit for it. He didn't care about the office of the president or it's responsibilities, he just wanted to be president and have all the perks that it offered.

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You'll likely never get an answer from him other than he hates Trump, hates all of them and they all suck but Trump most especially. There is not one redeeming thing about Trump to this man.

I gave an honest answer of how I see things. When I find a redeeming quality about the man, I'll let you know.

My thoughts exactly.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

It's obvious you drank the Kool-Aid. Honest to God, I believe he was just a liar. He's always been a liar and a blowhard, even way before he got into politics. He was raised that way. Read about his father and you will see why Trump turned out the way that he did. The only thing I never questioned about Trump was his love of money, fame, power and himself. The only reason why he wanted America to be the best country in the world (as he thought it should be,) was because he thought he would get credit for it. He didn't care about the office of the president or it's responsibilities, he just wanted to be president and have all the perks that it offered.

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I gave an honest answer of how I see things. When I find a redeeming quality about the man, I'll let you know.

americus nailed it.  Your hatred is borderline irrational.

I don't think it's hatred. I think he makes fair points about Trump. The dude is clearly a narcissist. He also lacks couth. There are many times he embarrassed the nation with the way he represented the office. However, the problem with O-line and Mikesez, is they don't give enough credit to him for what he did well. The dude clearly loved America, not for any of it's ideals, but because he sees it as an extension of himself. If the ideals have any meaning to Trump, it's because those ideals were engrained in him at a young age and became a part of his own identity. He wants people to share that cultural identity. Hard working. Strong. Successful. Powerful. He wants America to be admired by the world, much like he views himself. When you frame Trump in this light, you can trust that he genuinely wanted to make positive changes, which resulted in a pretty solid economic and foreign policy. 

Ever have someone in life that just trashes a person, then you meet them and realize they weren't that bad? The media did this with Trump. They never would admit that Trump was capable of doing any good. I believe that is because they are also narcissists. However, many in the media don't see America as extensions of themselves, but rather their stories. Trump completely dismantled their narratives, starting with his election, and then every time after when he refused to bend to their will. They blew everything the man did out of proportion. Trump lied about about himself, but the media lied about Trump. Imo, O-line and Mikesez are great examples of how the media influences the general populace. 

Be embarrassed by Trump, sure. But be equally embarrassed by our media. Acknowledge that the dude wasn't actually that bad, and that most of the vitriol against the man was created by a media that was hellbent on destroying him. They shouldn't be trusted anymore.

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^^^^^^ 1000% 

I still think OLine legit hates Trump, or maybe just loathes him with every fiber of his being, but you nailed it L2L. That describes Trump better than anything else I've read.

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It's obvious you drank the Kool-Aid. Honest to God, I believe he was just a liar. He's always been a liar and a blowhard, even way before he got into politics. He was raised that way. Read about his father and you will see why Trump turned out the way that he did. The only thing I never questioned about Trump was his love of money, fame, power and himself. The only reason why he wanted America to be the best country in the world (as he thought it should be,) was because he thought he would get credit for it. He didn't care about the office of the president or it's responsibilities, he just wanted to be president and have all the perks that it offered.

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I gave an honest answer of how I see things. When I find a redeeming quality about the man, I'll let you know.

americus nailed it.  Your hatred is borderline irrational.

Some of you guys on here are so sanctimonious. It's perfectly normal for you to show complete disdain for people like Obama, Biden, Hillary or AOC, but God forbid someone feel the same way about your big, red, deity? Think about it.

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That's 100% true, but it doesn't justify anything.

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That's 100% true, but it doesn't justify anything.

So you're saying their hatred of the people I mentioned is equally unjustified? If so, I can live with that. I just want to point out that calling people out for things that they, themselves do, is hypocritical. Everyone has their own personal reasons for disliking someone. The things I hate, may not bother other people and vice versa. I really don't care if people on here hate Obama, Biden, Hillary, AOC or anyone else. Maybe they have their reasons. I don't know. Everyone is different. I just find it a bit self righteous that they don't think others should be allowed to hate who they don't like.

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americus nailed it.  Your hatred is borderline irrational.

Some of you guys on here are so sanctimonious. It's perfectly normal for you to show complete disdain for people like Obama, Biden, Hillary or AOC, but God forbid someone feel the same way about your big, red, deity? Think about it.

You are wrong again.  I have no problem with any of those people personally, I hate their politics which is 180 out of your position.

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

WATCH: Kamala Harris laughs when a reporter starts to ask her about Americans trapped in Afghanistan https://t.co/7863Seq36C

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americus nailed it.  Your hatred is borderline irrational.

Some of you guys on here are so sanctimonious. It's perfectly normal for you to show complete disdain for people like Obama, Biden, Hillary or AOC, but God forbid someone feel the same way about your big, red, deity? Think about it.

I believe this all started by you wrongfully questioning Trump's foreign policy chops.

The fact you mentioned AOC in the same breath as those other 3, SMH....

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WATCH: Kamala Harris laughs when a reporter starts to ask her about Americans trapped in Afghanistan https://t.co/7863Seq36C

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Some of you guys on here are so sanctimonious. It's perfectly normal for you to show complete disdain for people like Obama, Biden, Hillary or AOC, but God forbid someone feel the same way about your big, red, deity? Think about it.

I believe this all started by you wrongfully questioning Trump's foreign policy chops.

The fact you mentioned AOC in the same breath as those other 3, SMH....

No, I didn't. I simply pointed out that no one knows what a Trump administration would've done, because he was not a man of his word. If he was, we'd have a border wall paid by Mexico and a bigger and better alternative to Obamacare, like he told people he'd deliver on. He did say those things. There is no arguing this point and yet we don't have them. He was very good at tearing things down, he just failed at building things back up.

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Geez, I travel Mexico for 2 weeks and the Jags cut Tebow and the US lose another war.  Holy [BLEEP] !!

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WATCH: Kamala Harris laughs when a reporter starts to ask her about Americans trapped in Afghanistan https://t.co/7863Seq36C

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I believe this all started by you wrongfully questioning Trump's foreign policy chops.

The fact you mentioned AOC in the same breath as those other 3, SMH....

No, I didn't. I simply pointed out that no one knows what a Trump administration would've done, because he was not a man of his word. If he was, we'd have a border wall paid by Mexico and a bigger and better alternative to Obamacare, like he told people he'd deliver on. He did say those things. There is no arguing this point and yet we don't have them. He was very good at tearing things down, he just failed at building things back up.

I think we can guarantee he'd have all the civilians out of Afghanistan before the Military withdrew to the Airport. Why? Because he doesn't want to appear weak to China. He always had a strike first mentality and to carry a big stick. So, no, it wouldn't be like this. It wouldn't be an embarassment.

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No, I didn't. I simply pointed out that no one knows what a Trump administration would've done, because he was not a man of his word. If he was, we'd have a border wall paid by Mexico and a bigger and better alternative to Obamacare, like he told people he'd deliver on. He did say those things. There is no arguing this point and yet we don't have them. He was very good at tearing things down, he just failed at building things back up.

I think we can guarantee he'd have all the civilians out of Afghanistan before the Military withdrew to the Airport. Why? Because he doesn't want to appear weak to China. He always had a strike first mentality and to carry a big stick. So, no, it wouldn't be like this. It wouldn't be an embarassment.

Our military withdrew to the airport because the ANA collapsed.  We only had at most 2 days notice that they would collapse.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I think we can guarantee he'd have all the civilians out of Afghanistan before the Military withdrew to the Airport. Why? Because he doesn't want to appear weak to China. He always had a strike first mentality and to carry a big stick. So, no, it wouldn't be like this. It wouldn't be an embarassment.

Our military withdrew to the airport because the ANA collapsed.  We only had at most 2 days notice that they would collapse.

Fake news.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

No, I didn't. I simply pointed out that no one knows what a Trump administration would've done, because he was not a man of his word. If he was, we'd have a border wall paid by Mexico and a bigger and better alternative to Obamacare, like he told people he'd deliver on. He did say those things. There is no arguing this point and yet we don't have them. He was very good at tearing things down, he just failed at building things back up.

I think we can guarantee he'd have all the civilians out of Afghanistan before the Military withdrew to the Airport. Why? Because he doesn't want to appear weak to China. He always had a strike first mentality and to carry a big stick. So, no, it wouldn't be like this. It wouldn't be an embarassment.

You keep living in your dream world where your big, red messiah saves the world. I prefer living in reality.

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I think we can guarantee he'd have all the civilians out of Afghanistan before the Military withdrew to the Airport. Why? Because he doesn't want to appear weak to China. He always had a strike first mentality and to carry a big stick. So, no, it wouldn't be like this. It wouldn't be an embarassment.

You keep living in your dream world where your big, red messiah saves the world. I prefer living in reality.

And yet you adamantly deny the truth that's smacking you in the face because of your TDS.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You keep living in your dream world where your big, red messiah saves the world. I prefer living in reality.

And yet you adamantly deny the truth that's smacking you in the face because of your TDS.

Your version of "the truth" is far from reality.

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And yet you adamantly deny the truth that's smacking you in the face because of your TDS.

Your version of "the truth" is far from reality.

No, you just can't give Trump credit for anything, as you readily admit. Which makes anything you have to say about him coloured by your own bias.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato