This is what you said: Look at Cleveland, Detroit, etc, those cities have had losing seasons in the last 5-10 years with a crappy local economy they show up to games and dont make excuses.


Point was, any team can see an impact in ticket sales if their team is constantly losing. And no, Detroit fans didn't show up to games when they were losing. The Jags actually increased ticket sales while the team got worse. I think that is a good thing.


Khan and Lamping, as I pointed out, stated the fans were doing their part and that they have to do theirs which is to bring a competitive football team. I don't even think Jag fans are asking for a winning team at this point. Just a team that competes on the field.


I'll support the team regardless. I'm a die hard fan. But if we want to be realistic, with a population this size and a team who has been this bad for this long, we need the team to be better to sell more tickets. That's reality.

 

Sometimes franchises go through losing stretches. That's the reality, welcome to the NFL. 

 

(Not you) If people continue cancel their ST's, or other fans just dont show up because the Jaguars are not winning, or they dont meet their "criteria" of competitiveness, then dont expect Khan to stay around.

 

Simple as that. 

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Sometimes franchises go through losing stretches. That's the reality, welcome to the NFL.


(Not you) If people continue cancel their ST's, or other fans just dont show up because the Jaguars are not winning, or they dont meet their "criteria" of competitiveness, then dont expect Khan to stay around.


Simple as that.

I simply responded to what you said. You said Detroit fans still showed up even though they were losing. I let you know that was incorrect undeniably. That's it.


We will see. Up to this point, Khan and Lamping have said verifiably that Jag fans have done their part. That is all we can go by until we see what ticket sales are like this upcoming season.

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I simply responded to what you said. You said Detroit fans still showed up even though they were losing. I let you know that was incorrect undeniably. That's it.


We will see. Up to this point, Khan and Lamping have said verifiably that Jag fans have done their part. That is all we can go by until we see what ticket sales are like this upcoming season.

 

Incorrect about what? My opinion? 

 

I forgot, God created you to win debates.

 

Khan and Lamping did acknowledge fans are doing their part (which I think is lip service). But he also said for the Jaguars to be financially competitive, the organization is going to continue to increase ticket prices in the foreseeable future.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

The greatest response to Clark and others who have "perceptions" about our fan base not being able to sell out our stadium is to not get into some silly pre-teen twitter back and fourth, but simply buy tickets, simple as that.

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This is the truth. It's where the rubber hits the road. In defense of the others though, they are absolutely correct. This guy apparently didn't stop to think about the fact that Jacksonville puts more butts in seats than his own team. Maybe he didn't want to consider that fact in part because his horrible play may be part of the reason butts aren't in seats in Pittsburgh.

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Incorrect about what? My opinion? 

 

I forgot, God created you to win debates.

 

Khan and Lamping did acknowledge fans are doing their part (which I think is lip service). But he also said for the Jaguars to be financially competitive, the organization is going to continue to increase ticket prices in the foreseeable future.

SMH, really? It isn't about winning anything. You said something that was incorrect. I was simply stating it was incorrect and backed it up. You said Detroit fans supported their team even when they were losing. I showed that wasn't the case and used a very comparable situation as ours. It is okay to be wrong. Not the end of the world.

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This is the truth. It's where the rubber hits the road. In defense of the others though, they are absolutely correct. This guy apparently didn't stop to think about the fact that Jacksonville puts more butts in seats than his own team. Maybe he didn't want to consider that fact in part because his horrible play may be part of the reason butts aren't in seats in Pittsburgh.

 

I dont even understand how or why he keeps getting airtime on ESPN, but then I just thought about it, that network is trash. So its more of a theme of recycling trash over there.

 

SMH, really? It isn't about winning anything. You said something that was incorrect. I was simply stating it was incorrect and backed it up. You said Detroit fans supported their team even when they were losing. I showed that wasn't the case and used a very comparable situation as ours. It is okay to be wrong. Not the end of the world.

 

For the record, I will give you partial credit for the stat you posted earlier regarding the 2009 avg home attendance rankings.

 

Also, for the record, Detroit had 2 compared to Jacksonville having 7 blackouts in 2009. Take that for what its worth. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Jackso...ars_season

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Detroit_Lions_season

 

What the hell are you talking about it's okay for me to be "wrong", but yet the other half of my opinion you couldn't argue with? 

 

Im going to ask this again, did you miss the point of me using those two examples?

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Look at Cleveland, Detroit, etc, those cities have had losing seasons in the last 5-10 years with a crappy local economy they show up to games and dont make excuses.

  

 

What the hell are you talking about it's okay for me to be "wrong", but yet the other half of my opinion you couldn't argue with? 

 

Im going to ask this again, did you miss the point of me using those two examples?

How can what he responded to be construed as an opinion? Looks like it's stated as a fact to me - which he showed to be wrong. No big deal, learn to move on.

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How can what he responded to be construed as an opinion? Looks like it's stated as a fact to me - which he showed to be wrong. No big deal, learn to move on.

 

Prior to my last response which included links to constitute as facts, all of my responses were opinions.

 

There is a difference between presenting a opinion, and fact, which is very basic to understand.

 

If you have a problem understanding this(which I think you do), I will be glad to point out the difference.

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well now that I had some sleep on the situation I still think Ryan Clark is an idiot.

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well now that I spelt on it Ryan Clark is still an idiot.

yeah i love a good spelt me...a good spelt just gives you some perspective :p

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How can what he responded to be construed as an opinion? Looks like it's stated as a fact to me - which he showed to be wrong. No big deal, learn to move on.

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yeah i love a good spelt me...a good spelt just gives you some perspective

Yeah, you're picking on me about my error and not understanding that i made a small mistake. I have corrected my grammar on that situation so thanks for pointing it out to me so feel free to reread my last post. 

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Look at Cleveland, Detroit, etc, those cities have had losing seasons in the last 5-10 years with a crappy local economy they show up to games and dont make excuses. 

 

 

You missed my point when I used Detroit and Cleveland as examples. People want to beach and moan about outsiders attacking our fan base when it comes to attendance. I mentioned those two cities because they have long deep established football traditions in their cities, so the attendance coupled with the losing gives them a slight pass.

 

Yeah, sorry, I'm not sure how anyone would tie those two together. One you say they don't make excuses and show up and another you say they have long established football traditions and even if they have a dip in attendance with losing, they get a slight pass.  

 

Hey, maybe your thought process is just way over my head.  

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I think the point is you can find examples of both and trying to compare them to a football team which is such a unique product to cars and hamburgers is a little silly.


Hurricane, Steeler fans are raised and born steelers fans. It's in their blood. Regardless of price and product, they will have that advantage over us. Jag fans are getting there. Give us something to cheer for and this city will explode. Steelers have been ridiculously good for a long time. Worst record ever is 5-11? Are you freaking kidding me?

Point of clarification:  That 5-11 mark is the worst record the Steelers have had since 1972-not the worst record ever.

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Point of clarification:  That 5-11 mark is the worst record the Steelers have had since 1972-not the worst record ever.

 

Ah, still that is crazy.  Just imagine that team having 10 years of play like the Jags.  I wonder what impact that would have even on a great fan base like Pittsburgh.  

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Ah, still that is crazy.  Just imagine that team having 10 years of play like the Jags.  I wonder what impact that would have even on a great fan base like Pittsburgh.  

One of my points, exactly. 

 

Since 1972, the Steelers have had all of 7 losing seasons-none worse than 5-11 (1988).  In addition, they've had 4 .500 records since then, so in 42 years, they've had 11 years of .500 ball or less.  During that span, they never had more than two straight losing seasons (the last was 1998-1999).

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/

 

It's easy to be a fan under those circumstances.

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Yeah, sorry, I'm not sure how anyone would tie those two together. One you say they don't make excuses and show up and another you say they have long established football traditions and even if they have a dip in attendance with losing, they get a slight pass.  

 

Hey, maybe your thought process is just way over my head.

Which was my OPINION, which you said was "wrong", which I responded back with links behind a fact I presented to you.


It's getting easier and easier for you to cherry pick things around here ain't it?

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Ah, still that is crazy.  Just imagine that team having 10 years of play like the Jags.  I wonder what impact that would have even on a great fan base like Pittsburgh.  

 

... didn't realize this topic would still be going......

 

It's really had to assess the subject of attendance at this point because everything about the 2 teams are the exact opposite.   You have history vs no-history, you have $100 tickets vs $10 tickets, you have snow vs sun, you have 7am tailgating vs 11am tailgating, you have 3 major teams vs 1 major team,  there's free t-shirts, coupon booklets, etc .........

 

Jag personnel & fans are doing their part given the nature of the team....  hard to get too excited when we're 0-8 and have been outscored by almost 20 points in those initial games....  i know ate my tix once last year by staying home to get the lawn cut and spend time w/ the family.

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Which was my OPINION, which you said was "wrong", which I responded back with links behind a fact I presented to you.


It's getting easier and easier for you to cherry pick things around here ain't it?

I said you were wrong about Detroit showing up even when their teams performed badly. And you were wrong which I backed up.. That is not an opinion.


You presented what the 2009 Jaguars did as a fan base. We aren't talking about the 2009 Jaguars. We are talking about the 2013/14 Jags under new owner and leadership. No one would argue that if the Jags sell only 49,000 tickets per game that we would be in trouble. Of course we would. But that isn't the current state of the Jags or this fan base.


You said I didn't understand your point in why you chose browns and lions. The problem is you didn't tie in that point that those fan bases can withstand down ticket sales. You said they supported their teams regardless. Browns have/did, Lion fans did not. Then you said your point was they could withstand down sales and poor play because of tradition. But you didn't make that point earlier. You said they still supported their team regardless. That was not the case with the Lion fans.

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