Fair point. I wouldn't even be opposed to making Schotty the head coach and having Bev as the OC because I think they worked well together once they were out of the shadow of the big, bad twitch finger.
More importantly, I believe Trevor made his biggest strides as a pro once Meyer was gone.

This is madness
Neither have earned a Head Coaching job.

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If rumors are true about what has transpired and what the hold up is, I can’t fault Khan for having reservations.

Remove your personal feelings about the specific parties involved and pretend you own a business and have a high level position open.  You’ve interviewed several candidates and the top one has never done the job before but is telling you to fire someone in your building he doesn’t care for as a condition of his employment.  I think in most cases you’d tell that candidate to piss off.  NFL is different than most businesses, but the way you’d feel about that scenario probably doesn’t change regardless of the industry.

To add, Khan has to think that the situation here is good with having a franchise QB already on the roster, extra draft picks and plenty of cap space.  Why would you concede anything in negotiation in such a situation?

I wouldnt take a job if I didnt feel like I could succeed with someone in the building.
I commend Leftwich for demanding something that he feels would help him succeed.
Time is on Leftwich's side.
Jags are in a bad negotiating spot created by themselves.

Ok good for you.  It sounds like you decided not to put yourself in ownership's shoes though.  There are plenty of people who would take this job and in the hypothetical above about putting yourself in the business owner's shoes you should probably feel the same way about a position you are hiring for.  Leverage shifts when you have a candidate that has not only done it before, but done it very well.  That's where you generally consider making concessions.  Or possibly if the candidate is highly coveted and you think he is significantly better than the other options.  Maybe these other interviews Byron gets will force Shad's hand, but I get the feeling it won't.

This isn't an endorsement of Baalke. I've said he probably needs to go, but I'm emotionally unattached to the outcome of that.  He's clearly proven himself in some way to Khan though.  And if that's the case, then I completely understand Khan not conceding to such a request.  Understanding it doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with it.

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If rumors are true about what has transpired and what the hold up is, I can’t fault Khan for having reservations.

Remove your personal feelings about the specific parties involved and pretend you own a business and have a high level position open.  You’ve interviewed several candidates and the top one has never done the job before but is telling you to fire someone in your building he doesn’t care for as a condition of his employment.  I think in most cases you’d tell that candidate to piss off.  NFL is different than most businesses, but the way you’d feel about that scenario probably doesn’t change regardless of the industry.

To add, Khan has to think that the situation here is good with having a franchise QB already on the roster, extra draft picks and plenty of cap space.  Why would you concede anything in negotiation to a first time head coach in such a situation?

Certainly.
But, I've also had other candidates already tell me to remove their name from my list because someone in my building is likely to remain as such. 
If someone is that steadfast in their resolve not to work with that person, I am going to want to know what makes them so resolute. Might that candidate have interest working with others in our building, or someone else that we considered at the position of dispute? Perhaps compromise can be obtained.
If a candidate wows me in an interview, I'm going to be receptive to their input on their idea of what it will take to be successful. Have any of the other candidates wowed me? Am I willing to settle for "acceptable" at the expense of "wow"?

Remember that Khan essentially conceded everything in your last paragraph a year ago - We had R1P1 locked up and were certain to be taking one of the potential franchise QBs, tons of cap space and extra picks. He made his HC hire with no GM in place, and only named Baalke once Urbz' role as coach and decision maker were established.

I think that, if anything, this puts a lot of chips in Shad's hands. If he makes this move, and Wilson blows it, Byron's leash will be awfully short. That's a HUGE gamble on Byron's part. If he chose to work with Baalke, and the team falters, he has a built-in excuse that the GM didn't build a good team that fit his (or his coaches') schemes, and may be able to save his own hide for one more shot with a new GM in place, as happened while JDR was here. That excuse can't happen if Shad cleans house. If the ship doesn't straighten out, both are subject to release.

Is Baalke willing to offer up the same gamble with whoever he feels is the better hire?

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If rumors are true about what has transpired and what the hold up is, I can’t fault Khan for having reservations.

Remove your personal feelings about the specific parties involved and pretend you own a business and have a high level position open.  You’ve interviewed several candidates and the top one has never done the job before but is telling you to fire someone in your building he doesn’t care for as a condition of his employment.  I think in most cases you’d tell that candidate to piss off.  NFL is different than most businesses, but the way you’d feel about that scenario probably doesn’t change regardless of the industry.

To add, Khan has to think that the situation here is good with having a franchise QB already on the roster, extra draft picks and plenty of cap space.  Why would you concede anything in negotiation to a first time head coach in such a situation?

I think it's a slightly different scenario; imagine you're a business owner, and are interviewing top candidates in the field for a job opening. However, they all express reservations for working for a current executive, as they all have worked with him or worked with mutual contacts in the past at other companies, and discovered he enables a toxic work environment. You can not attract top talent any longer, and your interview(s) are drying up. At some point you recognize that you either settle for someone not qualified or that maybe, just maybe, you have a toxic guy on your staff.

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Very well. It's no coincidence that when Bev was thrust into similar circumstances last year in Detroit and this year here, the players sll lauded him for keeping things together. He made it fun to be a football player again!
He needs this shot ... and so do the Jags!

Ok Baalke. Go back to sabotaging the negotiations. Posting here won't help you.

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Khan has ran the worst team in football outside of one year for most of the past decade. I have been saying for years Khan is a horrible owner. None of this bs surprises me. He had loyalty to Caldwell like that

Bro, I would take Caldwell at this point. At least he had some draft gems and stability in the franchise front office.

They all?  I think the league wide hatred for Baalke is probably over estimated.  He might be distrusted and disliked by some, maybe even many, but there are only 32 such jobs and way more candidates than that.  Also, I've found in my experience that true professional people make their own judgements on individuals versus what they hear about them ahead of time.

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I think it's a slightly different scenario; imagine you're a business owner, and are interviewing top candidates in the field for a job opening. However, they all express reservations for working for a current executive, as they all have worked with him or worked with mutual contacts in the past at other companies, and discovered he enables a toxic work environment. You can not attract top talent any longer, and your interview(s) are drying up. At some point you recognize that you either settle for someone not qualified or that maybe, just maybe, you have a toxic guy on your staff.

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Ok Baalke. Go back to sabotaging the negotiations. Posting here won't help you.

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Bro, I would take Caldwell at this point. At least he had some draft gems and stability in the franchise front office.

They all?  I think the league wide hatred for Baalke is probably over estimated.  He might be distrusted and disliked by some, maybe even many, but there are only 32 such jobs and way more candidates than that.  Also, I've found in my experience that true professional people make their own judgements on individuals versus what they hear about them ahead of time.

Per many a reputable sports new org, almost all the coaching candidates interviewed did not want to work with Baalke. BoB was the only one that didn't, and reportedly Khan didn't like his interview(s) anyway. So at that point, that's a red flag.

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When is Byron’s interview with the Saints, today?

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There may only be 32 positions in the NFL at head coach, but there's more open this year than ever has been before. On top of that, agents know a bit more than everyone else does, and agents seem to be steering people away from Baalke.

Also, would you really want to hire a guy desperate enough for the job ,that he'd take it because it's available? or the guy who comes in with a plan for success, even if it comes at the expense of a guy you hired a year ago who was supposed to be a yes-man for another guy you just fired?

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If rumors are true about what has transpired and what the hold up is, I can’t fault Khan for having reservations.

Remove your personal feelings about the specific parties involved and pretend you own a business and have a high level position open.  You’ve interviewed several candidates and the top one has never done the job before but is telling you to fire someone in your building he doesn’t care for as a condition of his employment.  I think in most cases you’d tell that candidate to piss off.  NFL is different than most businesses, but the way you’d feel about that scenario probably doesn’t change regardless of the industry.

To add, Khan has to think that the situation here is good with having a franchise QB already on the roster, extra draft picks and plenty of cap space.  Why would you concede anything in negotiation to a first time head coach in such a situation?

Certainly.
But, I've also had other candidates already tell me to remove their name from my list because someone in my building is likely to remain as such. 
If someone is that steadfast in their resolve not to work with that person, I am going to want to know what makes them so resolute. Might that candidate have interest working with others in our building, or someone else that we considered at the position of dispute? Perhaps compromise can be obtained.
If a candidate wows me in an interview, I'm going to be receptive to their input on their idea of what it will take to be successful. Have any of the other candidates wowed me? Am I willing to settle for "acceptable" at the expense of "wow"?

Remember that Khan essentially conceded everything in your last paragraph a year ago - We had R1P1 locked up and were certain to be taking one of the potential franchise QBs, tons of cap space and extra picks. He made his HC hire with no GM in place, and only named Baalke once Urbz' role as coach and decision maker were established.

I think that, if anything, this puts a lot of chips in Shad's hands. If he makes this move, and Wilson blows it, Byron's leash will be awfully short. That's a HUGE gamble on Byron's part. If he chose to work with Baalke, and the team falters, he has a built-in excuse that the GM didn't build a good team that fit his (or his coaches') schemes, and may be able to save his own hide for one more shot with a new GM in place, as happened while JDR was here. That excuse can't happen if Shad cleans house. If the ship doesn't straighten out, both are subject to release.

Is Baalke willing to offer up the same gamble with whoever he feels is the better hire?

Yeah and if you pressed the candidate and he told you "well I heard this and that about him", what's your response beside thinking to yourself "how did this guy wow me in the interview?"

Khan conceded everything to a guy that had done it before and done it well only it was in college not the pros.  He made a mistake, realized it and moved on quickly.  It doesn't lend itself to Byron's situation other than the fact that it was such a disaster in such short order that he wants to be sure to get it right this time hence not wanting to rush to a decision.

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The silence from the Jaguars is deafening

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"If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you always got"

After the Urban fiasco, I can see Shad’s hesitation when a guy comes in giving an ultimatum. But I’ve also got to respect a candidate that is honest enough to come out and say it.

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There may only be 32 positions in the NFL at head coach, but there's more open this year than ever has been before. On top of that, agents know a bit more than everyone else does, and agents seem to be steering people away from Baalke.

Also, would you really want to hire a guy desperate enough for the job ,that he'd take it because it's available? or the guy who comes in with a plan for success, even if it comes at the expense of a guy you hired a year ago who was supposed to be a yes-man for another guy you just fired?

Do you really need to ask?  This team has squandered multiple high level draft picks on GMs that were basically fired in place. They puffed up their chests and leaned on how great 2017 was for 3 years and only went kicking and screaming to the stupidest hire of the franchise. He swooned over Urbz snake oil cultural changes and has a loathsome piece of work trying to work the whole franchise over because we won the last game of the season.  Woopty Doopty Do.

Yes this team is that bad.  I question whether my loyalty is misplaced and I know it is overly dramatic but they are setting me up to say thanks but no thanks going forward. It is a waste of almost half my life it is appearing.

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Certainly.
But, I've also had other candidates already tell me to remove their name from my list because someone in my building is likely to remain as such. 
If someone is that steadfast in their resolve not to work with that person, I am going to want to know what makes them so resolute. Might that candidate have interest working with others in our building, or someone else that we considered at the position of dispute? Perhaps compromise can be obtained.
If a candidate wows me in an interview, I'm going to be receptive to their input on their idea of what it will take to be successful. Have any of the other candidates wowed me? Am I willing to settle for "acceptable" at the expense of "wow"?

Remember that Khan essentially conceded everything in your last paragraph a year ago - We had R1P1 locked up and were certain to be taking one of the potential franchise QBs, tons of cap space and extra picks. He made his HC hire with no GM in place, and only named Baalke once Urbz' role as coach and decision maker were established.

I think that, if anything, this puts a lot of chips in Shad's hands. If he makes this move, and Wilson blows it, Byron's leash will be awfully short. That's a HUGE gamble on Byron's part. If he chose to work with Baalke, and the team falters, he has a built-in excuse that the GM didn't build a good team that fit his (or his coaches') schemes, and may be able to save his own hide for one more shot with a new GM in place, as happened while JDR was here. That excuse can't happen if Shad cleans house. If the ship doesn't straighten out, both are subject to release.

Is Baalke willing to offer up the same gamble with whoever he feels is the better hire?

Yeah and if you pressed the candidate and he told you "well I heard this and that about him", what's your response beside thinking to yourself "how did this guy wow me in the interview?"

Khan conceded everything to a guy that had done it before and done it well only it was in college not the pros.  He made a mistake, realized it and moved on quickly.  It doesn't lend itself to Byron's situation other than the fact that it was such a disaster in such short order that he wants to be sure to get it right this time hence not wanting to rush to a decision.

Or maybe he came in with more than just "I heard X" because you know... he came prepared. He could easily point to the fact that Baalke has had five coaches in five years fired, and that it's not a pattern that leads to success. Or the fact there are players who just don't want to sign with teams run by Baalke -- which is an obstacle to bringing in the best talent.

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They all?  I think the league wide hatred for Baalke is probably over estimated.  He might be distrusted and disliked by some, maybe even many, but there are only 32 such jobs and way more candidates than that.  Also, I've found in my experience that true professional people make their own judgements on individuals versus what they hear about them ahead of time.

Per many a reputable sports new org, almost all the coaching candidates interviewed did not want to work with Baalke. BoB was the only one that didn't, and reportedly Khan didn't like his interview(s) anyway. So at that point, that's a red flag.

Reportedly.  I'll take your word for it because I've not seen specific mention of each guy's willingness to work with him or not, that said there's a lot of shoddy reporting out there as evidenced as of late and they've probably interviewed more candidates than we're aware of.  I'll stop trying to talk down the angry mob though, it's futile.

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If rumors are true about what has transpired and what the hold up is, I can’t fault Khan for having reservations.

Remove your personal feelings about the specific parties involved and pretend you own a business and have a high level position open. You’ve interviewed several candidates and the top one has never done the job before but is telling you to fire someone in your building he doesn’t care for as a condition of his employment. I think in most cases you’d tell that candidate to piss off. NFL is different than most businesses, but the way you’d feel about that scenario probably doesn’t change regardless of the industry.

To add, Khan has to think that the situation here is good with having a franchise QB already on the roster, extra draft picks and plenty of cap space. Why would you concede anything in negotiation to a first time head coach in such a situation?

He was certainly quick to do it last go-round. with a guy with no NFL coaching experience. Enthusiastically, i would say.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

This is madness
Neither have earned a Head Coaching job.

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I wouldnt take a job if I didnt feel like I could succeed with someone in the building.
I commend Leftwich for demanding something that he feels would help him succeed.
Time is on Leftwich's side.
Jags are in a bad negotiating spot created by themselves.

Ok good for you.  It sounds like you decided not to put yourself in ownership's shoes though.  There are plenty of people who would take this job and in the hypothetical above about putting yourself in the business owner's shoes you should probably feel the same way about a position you are hiring for.  Leverage shifts when you have a candidate that has not only done it before, but done it very well.  That's where you generally consider making concessions.  Or possibly if the candidate is highly coveted and you think he is significantly better than the other options.  Maybe these other interviews Byron gets will force Shad's hand, but I get the feeling it won't.

This isn't an endorsement of Baalke. I've said he probably needs to go, but I'm emotionally unattached to the outcome of that.  He's clearly proven himself in some way to Khan though.  And if that's the case, then I completely understand Khan not conceding to such a request.  Understanding it doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with it.

The problem is the ownership backed themselves into a position where they have to make concessions. The supply of qualified coaches is limited and the demand is high. Leverage is no longer about the qualifications of the candidate. Its about a singular demand of a particular coworker (technically a boss)

Khan may like something about Baalke, but its clear he is a detriment in finding a Head Coach. And now we have atleast some evidence that atleast one candidate is taking a stand against having him in the building.

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Per many a reputable sports new org, almost all the coaching candidates interviewed did not want to work with Baalke. BoB was the only one that didn't, and reportedly Khan didn't like his interview(s) anyway. So at that point, that's a red flag.

Reportedly.  I'll take your word for it because I've not seen specific mention of each guy's willingness to work with him or not, that said there's a lot of shoddy reporting out there as evidenced as of late and they've probably interviewed more candidates than we're aware of.  I'll stop trying to talk down the angry mob though, it's futile.

ESPN, PFT, etc. multiple sportswriters. More smoke equals likely fire.

I think it's a bit different then both our scenarios. In this world, the GM and HC are married. So coaches have no choice but to express their thoughts on the current front office situation. They don't want to join a "marriage" where they know the odds of divorce are astronomically high. It's no exaggeration. Baalke's snake history speaks for itself.

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Get it done already

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Khan may like something about Baalke, but its clear he is a detriment in finding a Head Coach. And now we have atleast some evidence that atleast one candidate is taking a stand against having him in the building.

And it does suggest a possible reason why Caldwell and Pederson weren't invited back for a second interview, and why other candidates didn't even get a first invite.

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I don’t understand fans here using profanity in saying how dumb or what an idiot Khan is after they throw out a rambling assumption they literally made in their own heads, then react with an insane amount of ignorance in blasting the guy.  Can we wait to find out what actually is happening before we skewer another human being when none of us really know? My god.

C'mon man, wha fun is that?  I get enough logic and rationality in my job; I come to this board to listen to and participate in chaos and over-reaction.  Get with it!

That's the best argument in favor I've heard.  Bravo!  Alright, I'm all in for it now.  Emotional basket case land here I come!

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This whole thing is like a knitting circle made up of meth heads constantly refreshing twitter, and playing "telephone."

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You're Welcome.

Lmao if this was true he would have been gone last year.

https://twitter.com/HershP_/status/1487112598680133635

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