A sprain is a tear. That is sports injury 101.

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A sprain is a tear. That is sports injury 101.

Mere sprains typically don't require surgery and more than 7 months of rehab.

Whether a sprain is tear or not, it's clear Etienne's injury was far worse in severity.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Everything I can find online said there was no tear and that it was a mid foot sprain that required surgery and would end his season. I also remember at the time that they said it was the least serious of lisfranc injuries.

"A significant tear" - Ian Rapoport

https://www.nfl.com/news/jaguars-rb-trav...gery-today

A sprain is a tear. That is sports injury 101.

Mere sprains typically don't require surgery and more than 7 months of rehab.

Whether a sprain is tear or not, it's clear Etienne's injury was far worse in severity.

This is a fair statement. A very simple sprain would not require that degree of treatment.

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I Think the main reason a little did not play more at the beginning of the year was that he was knocking off the rust after sitting for two years. Given the situation, it’s understandable that he was not immediately pressed into action.

Last year's coaching staff may have made many mistakes.  The decision to not play Little before he was ready to compete may have been the correct one.

I don't give that coaching staff the benefit of the doubt on anything. 

I think they should have played Little early on, they should have played Cisco early on, they should have retained Josh Oliver instead of trading him for peanuts before they even saw him in camp, they should have utilized their 1000 yard rusher much more instead of letting a rookie qb sling low % pass attempts 30-50 times per game,  they should have sought better value than a RB with pick 25, and this list could go on for days...

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This is why you have an open competition between Robinson and Little, to find those things out. As I said before, the season just ended a week ago. We have until September to figure our who plays where. In camp, you have Robinson play LT and Little play RT. Then the next day you have Little play LT and Robinson play RT. Rotate them until you figure out where you want them to play. Get them both used to playing both positions. It's not that hard to figure out. 

The money does not matter. A franchise tag is only for one year and we have tons of cap space. Way more than we will spend this season.

So you don't think there's any other option at LT/RT in FA? If money doesn't matter, bite the bullet, offer Cam a lengthier deal and get the line set. You tag him, we're back in this same quandary again next year, either debating whether Little has what it takes to play LT (or RT), who to pay to fill the void left by Cam, or to finally offer him a longer deal.

It seems you're dead set on Cam, but unwilling to commit to him. If they decide he's the best option, I'd just rather we not keep repeating this cycle every offseason.

Maybe I'm just exhausted after our coaching search drug on way too long. I'm just ready for them to choose...something. Make a decision.

No, I don't. I can't realistically see us signing a significant upgrade given the current state of this team. I definitely don't want to sign Cam Robinson long term. He's not good enough to sign long term. He is however, better than any realistic options we have in free agency and certainly this draft. I'm hoping the 2023 OT class will be better, so I don't wanna be tied to Robinson passed this season. I'm just trying to put together the best O-Line we can for 2023. I'm not worrying about 2023 and beyond. I'm concentrating on next season. We're not gonna fix every major need with a long term solution, right away. Some problems are gonna get immediate medical attention, so they can heal right away and some have to get band aids for now. This offseason, I'm hoping to fix the interior O-Line for the long term future, but OT is probably gonna get a band aid, barring some miracle. 

I am dead set on Cam, but I am also unwilling to commit to him as a long term option. That is what the franchise tag is often used for. It buys you another year to find a better option, without leaving yourself totally exposed at a position that you may not be able to upgrade right away. That is the beauty of the franchise tag.

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Last year's coaching staff may have made many mistakes.  The decision to not play Little before he was ready to compete may have been the correct one.

I don't give that coaching staff the benefit of the doubt on anything. 

I think they should have played Little early on, they should have played Cisco early on, they should have retained Josh Oliver instead of trading him for peanuts before they even saw him in camp, they should have utilized their 1000 yard rusher much more instead of letting a rookie qb sling low % pass attempts 30-50 times per game,  they should have sought better value than a RB with pick 25, and this list could go on for days...

Agreed on Little and Cisco. Little and Robinson were clearly light years better than Jawaan Taylor. One of those guys should have supplanted him as the starting RT, from the beginning of the season. Same for Cisco. He is miles better than Wingard. James Robinson was vastly underutilized in 2021. Meyer had some strange fascination with Carlos Hyde that none of us understood and still don't when he had a very good RB right there on the sidelines (Robinson.) Don't get me started on the Etienne pick either. We could've filled an important need with that pick.

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This is a fair statement. A very simple sprain would not require that degree of treatment.

For an ankle sprain that is true, for a mid foot/lisfranc sprain I am not sure what grade of severity it would have to be to require surgery.

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I don't give that coaching staff the benefit of the doubt on anything. 

I think they should have played Little early on, they should have played Cisco early on, they should have retained Josh Oliver instead of trading him for peanuts before they even saw him in camp, they should have utilized their 1000 yard rusher much more instead of letting a rookie qb sling low % pass attempts 30-50 times per game,  they should have sought better value than a RB with pick 25, and this list could go on for days...

^100

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Fix the O-Line!

Last year's coaching staff may have made many mistakes.  The decision to not play Little before he was ready to compete may have been the correct one.

I don't give that coaching staff the benefit of the doubt on anything. 

I think they should have played Little early on, they should have played Cisco early on, they should have retained Josh Oliver instead of trading him for peanuts before they even saw him in camp, they should have utilized their 1000 yard rusher much more instead of letting a rookie qb sling low % pass attempts 30-50 times per game,  they should have sought better value than a RB with pick 25, and this list could go on for days...

That entire team was handcuffed last year by incompetency and ego. It will not shock me one bit if this team gets on a roll later on this year. Not one bit at all. 

They might start off a little slow but if they end up reeling off 4, 5 or 6 straight wins in a row to finish out the year with a chance to be the 7th seed it wouldn't shock me. I really think Pederson's offensive system is really geared towards Lawrence's strengths. It's something they ran at Clemson. If they can hit a few picks out of the park in April and next month maybe bolster the depth chart or find at least three new starters in free agency I think it's possible.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I don't give that coaching staff the benefit of the doubt on anything. 

I think they should have played Little early on, they should have played Cisco early on, they should have retained Josh Oliver instead of trading him for peanuts before they even saw him in camp, they should have utilized their 1000 yard rusher much more instead of letting a rookie qb sling low % pass attempts 30-50 times per game,  they should have sought better value than a RB with pick 25, and this list could go on for days...

That entire team was handcuffed last year by incompetency and ego. It will not shock me one bit if this team gets on a roll later on this year. Not one bit at all. 

They might start off a little slow but if they end up reeling off 4, 5 or 6 straight wins in a row to finish out the year with a chance to be the 7th seed it wouldn't shock me. I really think Pederson's offensive system is really geared towards Lawrence's strengths. It's something they ran at Clemson. If they can hit a few picks out of the park in April and next month maybe bolster the depth chart or find at least three new starters in free agency I think it's possible.

A late season surge wouldn't surprise me either. 
Fingers crossed.

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Demetrius Harvey
@Demetrius82
#Jaguars RB Travis Etienne says that the doctors told him he could have been back this season, but recommended taking the full season so he could have a full, complete recovery from the Lisfranc injury.”

Idk conflicting info everywhere, but if the above is true it really is good news on him being close to 100% next season.

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Demetrius Harvey
@Demetrius82
#Jaguars RB Travis Etienne says that the doctors told him he could have been back this season, but recommended taking the full season so he could have a full, complete recovery from the Lisfranc injury.”

Idk conflicting info everywhere, but if the above is true it really is good news on him being close to 100% next season.

Of course the doctor is gonna tell him that. They're always gonna tell you you'll be back to 100% after that kind of surgery. I'll believe it when I see it.

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Is anyone 100% everyday? I cant wait to see this guy play.

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I'm fine with him taking the whole season off. His stayed out of the dumpster fire, rested his legs after a full college career, and saved one of his few NFL seasons for a hopefully more successful year later on.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I had my reservations about ETN when we drafted him. Now that hes had this injury, I question it even more.


side note: in madden hes an absolute monster. Was a 99 overall after his second season. Cisco hit a 99 by his 3rd year.
I'm in 2 Madden leagues (All Madden) with friends and in both they say ETN is a cheat and they cant stop him haha

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In Dougie I Trust!

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Demetrius Harvey
@Demetrius82
#Jaguars RB Travis Etienne says that the doctors told him he could have been back this season, but recommended taking the full season so he could have a full, complete recovery from the Lisfranc injury.”

Idk conflicting info everywhere, but if the above is true it really is good news on him being close to 100% next season.

There can be a distinction between complete recovery as far as the joint healing fully and complete recovery as far as performing at a 100% athletic level.

For example, my wife is a lung transplant NP and she said they definitely might tell a patient that they will make a full recovery from their transplant but that doesn't necessarily mean that the new lungs will ever reach full lung function.

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5th in ypc for all RBs this year

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-...er-attempt

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5th in ypc for all RBs this year

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-...er-attempt

This is awesome.

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Lots of talk about ETN getting more touches and of course folks debating if Robinson should receive less.
( I think utilizing them both is the way to succeed - while gameday play calls should reflect what is working best against that defense)

Something important to note in all of this is that they have been utilizing Robinson on 3rd down the past two weeks in a protection role. Because of that - some of the early downs work he was receiving has gone to ETN.

It's working out pretty well, and given the giants' blitz packages, I'm sure we'll see Robinson in protection on 3rd down again.

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Lots of talk about ETN getting more touches and of course folks debating if Robinson should receive less.
( I think utilizing them both is the way to succeed - while gameday play calls should reflect what is working best against that defense)

Something important to note in all of this is that they have been utilizing Robinson on 3rd down the past two weeks in a protection role. Because of that - some of the early downs work he was receiving has gone to ETN.

It's working out pretty well, and given the giants' blitz packages, I'm sure we'll see Robinson in protection on 3rd down again.

Need to set that up for screens. Would like to see them both on the field at the same time a lot more often.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."