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What do the current WR look like since Kirk and Zay Jones signings?
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03-24-2022, 03:44 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-24-2022, 03:46 PM by TheO-LineMatters. Edited 1 time in total.)
(03-24-2022, 10:56 AM)Caldrac Wrote: Still doesn't justify giving up on somebody after two years. And, once again, I think a lot of you on here are putting just a little too much hope at the WR position in a TE centric offense. I don't think so at all. I know Pederson's system is very much dependent on the TE position, but I don't think we currently have the TE's to pull off that system without some kind of help from the WR's. Like I said, I love the addition of Engram, but he has had a lot of injury issues over the course of his career. He's only played a full season once, since coming into the league. Can we count on him to stay healthy? Imo, Arnold is a very average TE who had some key drops and fumbles last season. He doesn't inspire much confidence in his ability to be a big factor in the passing game either. I personally believe drafting a good franchise TE is almost as important as getting a #1 WR or a starting edge rusher. Luckily for us, this is an extremely deep TE class. I would definitely use one of those 3rd round picks to take one of the top guys, so we are in agreement on that one. I just think in our current state, our aerial attack is very weak. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(03-24-2022, 03:40 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote:(03-23-2022, 11:33 PM)Upper Wrote: Might not have Viska for much longer: If Viska can fetch a 2nd or a 3rd and a starting guard/linebacker, pull the trigger. He'll probably explode somewhere else. (03-24-2022, 03:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:(03-24-2022, 10:56 AM)Caldrac Wrote: Still doesn't justify giving up on somebody after two years. And, once again, I think a lot of you on here are putting just a little too much hope at the WR position in a TE centric offense. Relax. I foresee drafting a beast TE who'll step in when Arnold or Engram gets hurt.
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(03-24-2022, 03:51 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote:(03-24-2022, 03:40 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: How and why does this get reported prior to an actual trade happening? Could this be Baalke trying to drive market value up? I really hope so. I foresee a lot of two TE sets in this new scheme. (03-24-2022, 07:57 AM)Caldrac Wrote: I think Shenault could actually be a success in Pederson's offense. I don't think he was being properly schemed up last year under Bevelle and Meyer. You have to play to his strengths. Yeah. I want to keep him. You can never have too many weapons. I was aggravated with all his drops last year. But all the guys deserve a mulligan after that crap storm they endured. And he is great with the ball in his hand. ![]() Fix the O-Line!
(03-24-2022, 03:54 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:I think a run happens at WR on the opening night and they stand to land any TE of their choosing at 33. McBride makes a lot of sense there.(03-24-2022, 03:51 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: If Viska can fetch a 2nd or a 3rd and a starting guard/linebacker, pull the trigger. He'll probably explode somewhere else. However, would you flip your [BLEEP] if they opted for Jelani Woods there instead? Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king." We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-24-2022, 11:10 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:(03-24-2022, 08:58 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Not true. This draft is very deep at a variety of positions and there are many players I like, all the way into the 7th round. I said, if we didn't trade for a veteran #1 receiver or we didn't trade up into the first round to get one of the top receivers, (London, Williams, Olave, Wilson or even Dotson,) then the offseason would be a complete failure. I believe we largely have not improved the WR position to this point and last season we had one of, if not the worst position group in the entire NFL. You can put me on that record as well. We will 100% regret it if we trade him. On another note though, most of us assume they'll add another WR somewhere in the first 3 rounds of the draft. What if Baalke and Pederson think the WR is set for the most part and don't draft one until the 5th round or later? What if they don't draft one at all? Are we all mentally prepared for something like that to happen? lol (03-24-2022, 06:56 PM)Eric1 Wrote:(03-24-2022, 11:10 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Shenault had no drop issues in his rookie year. "You are not prepared!" I truly would not be. Baalke's been trying to sell this OL as fine for two years, when it definitely is not. Neither is the WR room. We need a real #1 X. If we can get one of those, then we can breathe. ![]() Fix the O-Line!
(03-24-2022, 06:56 PM)Eric1 Wrote:I am in that camp already. I think they're potentially done at WR. I think it's DE, TE and LB that need a little bit more attention.(03-24-2022, 11:10 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Shenault had no drop issues in his rookie year. Depending on Linder's future I would think an offensive lineman is also in play. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
(03-24-2022, 06:38 PM)Caldrac Wrote:(03-24-2022, 03:54 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I really hope so. I foresee a lot of two TE sets in this new scheme.I think a run happens at WR on the opening night and they stand to land any TE of their choosing at 33. McBride makes a lot of sense there. Not at all. I love McBride and Woods. They are my top 2 TE prospects. I see big things for both of them. I'd be satisfied to draft either of them or Isaiah Likely, Greg Dulcich, Charlie Kolar, Derrick Deese or Jake Ferguson. Taking a TE over a WR would be the smart thing to do if the top WR's are gone. I certainly don't wanna reach for one. Personally, I think the #65 pick is the one to target a TE. Maybe McBride is gone by then, but I think Woods, Likely and the rest of the TE's I mentioned would still be in play. We just have to see how the board falls and take the BAP. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
03-24-2022, 07:25 PM
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(03-24-2022, 06:56 PM)Eric1 Wrote:(03-24-2022, 11:10 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Shenault had no drop issues in his rookie year. If we cannot get one of the top WR's (London, Williams, Olave, Wilson or Dotson) then it might be wise to wait until round 5 to get one or two. Personally, I draft no less than 2 WR's. I really don't see a lot of difference between the WR's who might get selected in round 2 and the one's that will probably be picked in rounds 5 or later. Maybe we target guys like Tyquan Thornton, Kevin Austin or Velus Jones in the later rounds. I'd be o.k. with that more than I would reaching for a guy like Pickens or Pierce in round 2. If we don't draft a receiver at all, then I will be tempted to fly to Jacksonville and punch Baalke in the face. There is no way we can go into next season with the receivers we have and expect Trevor Lawrence to make significant improvements. I am not prepared for this kind of incompetence. My head might explode!
(03-24-2022, 07:25 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:(03-24-2022, 06:56 PM)Eric1 Wrote: You can put me on that record as well. We will 100% regret it if we trade him. I have Tyquan Thornton higher than most and wouldn't mind seeing him in teal.
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-24-2022, 03:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:(03-24-2022, 10:56 AM)Caldrac Wrote: Still doesn't justify giving up on somebody after two years. And, once again, I think a lot of you on here are putting just a little too much hope at the WR position in a TE centric offense. I'm curious how many WR in the whole NFL you consider to be No. 1 guys? (03-24-2022, 06:56 PM)Eric1 Wrote:(03-24-2022, 11:10 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Shenault had no drop issues in his rookie year. /preemptively pops all the popcorn (03-25-2022, 01:14 AM)rpr52121 Wrote:(03-24-2022, 03:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I don't think so at all. I know Pederson's system is very much dependent on the TE position, but I don't think we currently have the TE's to pull off that system without some kind of help from the WR's. Like I said, I love the addition of Engram, but he has had a lot of injury issues over the course of his career. He's only played a full season once, since coming into the league. Can we count on him to stay healthy? Imo, Arnold is a very average TE who had some key drops and fumbles last season. He doesn't inspire much confidence in his ability to be a big factor in the passing game either. I personally believe drafting a good franchise TE is almost as important as getting a #1 WR or a starting edge rusher. Luckily for us, this is an extremely deep TE class. I would definitely use one of those 3rd round picks to take one of the top guys, so we are in agreement on that one. I just think in our current state, our aerial attack is very weak. There's 32 teams in the NFL. There's maybe 4 - 5 truly elite guys at the position IMHO. Adams, Kupp, Hopkins, Hill & Jefferson. Chase is already fixing to make a strong case going into his 2nd year. He's honestly already there. His rookie year was beyond impressive. After that group I think you have to look at guys like Mike Evans, Stephon Diggs, CeeDee Lamb, Jerry Jeudy, Jalen Waddle, etc. That class from a year or two ago is primed to start taking over the rankings now any minute. ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king." (03-24-2022, 11:18 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: Fun fact! Pederson has never had as a head coach a 1,000 yard receiver. @This must mean Doug Marrone is a better coach!@ If we have 6 receivers at 900 yds or thereabouts, are we going to declare the season a loss? I don't give a crap about individual stats. I don't play fantasy, I don't have to pay a guy an incentive for hitting a milestone, nor am I a player's agent who might get a cut or some star to pin to my resume for getting my guy an extra few dollars. Just frickin win, baby. (03-25-2022, 01:14 AM)rpr52121 Wrote:(03-24-2022, 03:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I don't think so at all. I know Pederson's system is very much dependent on the TE position, but I don't think we currently have the TE's to pull off that system without some kind of help from the WR's. Like I said, I love the addition of Engram, but he has had a lot of injury issues over the course of his career. He's only played a full season once, since coming into the league. Can we count on him to stay healthy? Imo, Arnold is a very average TE who had some key drops and fumbles last season. He doesn't inspire much confidence in his ability to be a big factor in the passing game either. I personally believe drafting a good franchise TE is almost as important as getting a #1 WR or a starting edge rusher. Luckily for us, this is an extremely deep TE class. I would definitely use one of those 3rd round picks to take one of the top guys, so we are in agreement on that one. I just think in our current state, our aerial attack is very weak. In the truest Highlander sense, there can only be one. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-24-2022, 10:56 AM)Caldrac Wrote: Still doesn't justify giving up on somebody after two years. And, once again, I think a lot of you on here are putting just a little too much hope at the WR position in a TE centric offense.Is this because he's never had a good WR on his teams? My guess is that if they had taken Jefferson instead of Raegor, Jefferson would have topped 1,000 yards.
03-25-2022, 08:57 AM
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(03-25-2022, 08:31 AM)Cleatwood Wrote:(03-24-2022, 10:56 AM)Caldrac Wrote: Still doesn't justify giving up on somebody after two years. And, once again, I think a lot of you on here are putting just a little too much hope at the WR position in a TE centric offense.Is this because he's never had a good WR on his teams? It's actually a unique combination of things. I didn't feel like doing a deep, deep dive on the job but in some of those years it appears some of his WR's and TE's missed a decent amount of games. In some cases they missed damn near a full month's worth of football. The main thing that I took away from all of his years spent in Philadelphia is that, he tends to try and spread the wealth in the passing game. Every position gets a pretty decent amount of work in. I love that about his offense. It doesn't specifically highlight nor elevate ONE position. He's constantly mixing it up. In the long run. It's beneficial to the team and Lawrence. You don't get into these cap situations where you HAVE to HAVE a huge percentage locked up on one player. He could have probably had a 1,ooo yard receiver or two. Had Jeffrey or Agholor held up physically. I think his overall system calls for balance. It's going to be fun as hell to watch this year. One week it could be a TE going off. The next week? It could be Robinson and Etienne slashing and gashing through a defense on the ground and out of the backfield in the receiving game. I just have a feeling though that he's going to be "calling his pocket" with this receiving group. My bet is that he fully expects Kirk and Jones & Jones to shine in an RPO. If he gets that ground game going that RPO/Play Action game is going to be there for him with Kirk for sure. ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
03-25-2022, 10:14 AM
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(03-25-2022, 01:14 AM)rpr52121 Wrote:(03-24-2022, 03:44 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I don't think so at all. I know Pederson's system is very much dependent on the TE position, but I don't think we currently have the TE's to pull off that system without some kind of help from the WR's. Like I said, I love the addition of Engram, but he has had a lot of injury issues over the course of his career. He's only played a full season once, since coming into the league. Can we count on him to stay healthy? Imo, Arnold is a very average TE who had some key drops and fumbles last season. He doesn't inspire much confidence in his ability to be a big factor in the passing game either. I personally believe drafting a good franchise TE is almost as important as getting a #1 WR or a starting edge rusher. Luckily for us, this is an extremely deep TE class. I would definitely use one of those 3rd round picks to take one of the top guys, so we are in agreement on that one. I just think in our current state, our aerial attack is very weak. In no particular order...... DeAndre Hopkins Stefon Diggs Ja'Marr Chase Tee Higgins D.J. Moore Amari Cooper CeeDee Lamb Brandin Cooks Davante Adams Cooper Kupp Justin Jefferson Keenan Allen Mike Williams Jaylen Waddle Tyreek Hill Deebo Samuel D.K. Metcalf Tyler Lockett Mike Evans Chris Godwin Terry McLaurin A.J. Brown Robert Woods Obviously, there are different levels of #1 receivers, but as a whole, these are the guys. I think Diontae Johnson is a fringe first rounder and guys like Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy Darnell Mooney and DeVonta Smith have a chance to prove they are #1 receivers this season, but they aren't there yet. When I look at this list it makes me upset that several teams have two #1 guys and you can make an argument that we might not even have a #1 or #2. We certainly don't have a game breaker and I don't see us having a big possession WR who consistently moves the chains either. (03-25-2022, 08:15 AM)Mikey Wrote:(03-24-2022, 11:18 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: Fun fact! Pederson has never had as a head coach a 1,000 yard receiver. I don't believe that at all. |
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