Trevor needs to learn how to put touch on certain passes to makes it easier for his receivers at times.  I mentioned this last year.  The announcers brought it up and Doug has even preaches this to Trevor.  He has a hard time with that, he thinks every pass needs to be a fast ball

100% agree. A good part of his missed passes are balls he simply throws too  hard. It's like he does not know how to take some mustard off the ball.  If a tight end or running back is 5 yards away there is no need to throw the fast ball every single time.  Lofting and soft touch is a big part of playing Qb he struggles with.

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If the name Cody Kessler doesn't make you break out in a cold sweat then that's a bad sign!!

Jake Luton

Blame Gabbert, Johnathan Quinn

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Flacco was the other QB and he threw the ball 59 times vs Lawrence's 42 times.
https://twitter.com/jordandelugo/status/...9043611649

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I'm willing to give Trevor time to improve. Obviously it's much easier for me to say that today, yesterday I was ready to call him a bust. Week 1 emotions.

Lol, it's good that you're willing to wait. He's going to be here at minimum almost 3 more full seasons.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Look at last years scores and performance.... it is improvement but not a win. Long way to go but better than years of poor performance that got us here. Would be nice if they built an oline from 2017 forward.

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Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

I'm willing to give Trevor time to improve. Obviously it's much easier for me to say that today, yesterday I was ready to call him a bust. Week 1 emotions.

Lol, it's good that you're willing to wait. He's going to be here at minimum almost 3 more full seasons.

I can imagine a scenario that has him becoming another Brees and being some other team's Superbowl winning hall of famer with how bad our luck is as fans here.

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It would be difficult for him to be much worse.

Difficult to be much worse?  Damn man I dont think you have been a Jags fan very long if you believe that lol

Who would you say was our worst qb? Gabbert? Their rookie stats are almost identical.

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My biggest concern about Trevor coming out of college was he didn't play well in close games.

The NFL is all about playing well in close games.

In spite of Burrow's poor performance Sunday, (worst since MVP candidate Josh Allen in 2017), I believe we got the first pick a year too late.

As bad as Urban was, he wasn't as bad as blowing a knee. Burrow Rebounded to win the AFC in his second year.

I hope Trevor gets his act together, but he isn't giving me that warm fuzzy feeling right now.

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I am amongst those who are disappointed that he hasn’t shown himself to be the next John Elway that he was billed to be yet. But even if he never becomes that. And he just stays a non distraction, good qb who doesn’t lose us games and can make some big time throws, And can only excel when we put an elite defense and a top 10 wideout around him…. We still need to keep him as a Jaguar even if we have to overpay him to stay here  … even those types of QBs are hard to come by and the difference between them and bad ones are immense. I would be disappointed that he wasn’t the savior of the franchise but we can still get to where we want to be with that. And he will get better with age. 

Here’s hoping that he eventually does live up to the hype even though right now I don’t see it. now if he gets worse and starts putting up turnover numbers like last year and starts losing us games that’s a different story. But That would really surprise me if he became that guy with experience.

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I am amongst those who are disappointed that he hasn’t shown himself to be the next John Elway that he was billed to be yet. But even if he never becomes that. And he just stays a non distraction, good qb who doesn’t lose us games and can make some big time throws, And can only excel when we put an elite defense and a top 10 wideout around him…. We still need to keep him as a Jaguar even if we have to overpay him to stay here  … even those types of QBs are hard to come by and the difference between them and bad ones are immense. I would be disappointed that he wasn’t the savior of the franchise but we can still get to where we want to be with that. And he will get better with age. 

Here’s hoping that he eventually does live up to the hype even though right now I don’t see it. now if he gets worse and starts putting up turnover numbers like last year and starts losing us games that’s a different story. But That would really surprise me if he became that guy with experience.

I agree. We've had our share of bad ones, and it's a franchise killer if they are bad.

With Trevor, I think the best we can hope for is a little bit below, Matt Ryan, but a more mobile version.

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Difficult to be much worse?  Damn man I dont think you have been a Jags fan very long if you believe that lol

Who would you say was our worst qb? Gabbert? Their rookie stats are almost identical.

And their rookie teams were anything but.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I am amongst those who are disappointed that he hasn’t shown himself to be the next John Elway that he was billed to be yet. But even if he never becomes that. And he just stays a non distraction, good qb who doesn’t lose us games and can make some big time throws, And can only excel when we put an elite defense and a top 10 wideout around him…. We still need to keep him as a Jaguar even if we have to overpay him to stay here  … even those types of QBs are hard to come by and the difference between them and bad ones are immense. I would be disappointed that he wasn’t the savior of the franchise but we can still get to where we want to be with that. And he will get better with age. 

Here’s hoping that he eventually does live up to the hype even though right now I don’t see it. now if he gets worse and starts putting up turnover numbers like last year and starts losing us games that’s a different story. But That would really surprise me if he became that guy with experience.

I find his accuracy concerning. I think a lot of it has to do with him seeing the play too late.

So many high and behind passes. Too many rifling balls that should have been thrown earlier with better touch.

He is pretty good throwing down the field, but his short passing, move the chains throwing is bad.

I know I don't have his cannon of an arm, but I think if we had a 20 yrd or less accuracy competition, I could beat him.

Quick, short, timing passes are your bread and butter in the NFL. His throws are 50/50 in those situations. Either too high, behind, too hard, or all 3.

15 yard pass for a TD and it is 5 feet over his head. I could do better with my eyes closed.

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I am amongst those who are disappointed that he hasn’t shown himself to be the next John Elway that he was billed to be yet. But even if he never becomes that. And he just stays a non distraction, good qb who doesn’t lose us games and can make some big time throws, And can only excel when we put an elite defense and a top 10 wideout around him…. We still need to keep him as a Jaguar even if we have to overpay him to stay here  … even those types of QBs are hard to come by and the difference between them and bad ones are immense. I would be disappointed that he wasn’t the savior of the franchise but we can still get to where we want to be with that. And he will get better with age. 

Here’s hoping that he eventually does live up to the hype even though right now I don’t see it. now if he gets worse and starts putting up turnover numbers like last year and starts losing us games that’s a different story. But That would really surprise me if he became that guy with experience.

I find his accuracy concerning. I think a lot of it has to do with him seeing the play too late.

So many high and behind passes. Too many rifling balls that should have been thrown earlier with better touch.

He is pretty good throwing down the field, but his short passing, move the chains throwing is bad.

I know I don't have his cannon of an arm, but I think if we had a 20 yrd or less accuracy competition, I could beat him.

Quick, short, timing passes are your bread and butter in the NFL. His throws are 50/50 in those situations. Either too high, behind, too hard, or all 3.

15 yard pass for a TD and it is 5 feet over his head. I could do better with my eyes closed.

Armchair punditry at it's finest right there.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Who would you say was our worst qb? Gabbert? Their rookie stats are almost identical.

And their rookie teams were anything but.

You are right, Lawrence had a better offense around him. Mjd is a rb not a wr. Wrs were jason hill, mike thomas and mike sims walker, marvin jones, treadwell, shenault are all better than any of those 3. Marcedes lewis was good in 2010, rest of his career he was a below average te. Gabberts starting rt was guy whimper, lol. A rookie will rackley, an old brad meester, eugene monroe and uche. 


So where was gabbers supporting cast any better? Mjd wasnt ladanian tomlinson in the pass game.

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And their rookie teams were anything but.

You are right, Lawrence had a better offense around him. Mjd is a rb not a wr. Wrs were jason hill, mike thomas and mike sims walker, marvin jones, treadwell, shenault are all better than any of those 3. Marcedes lewis was good in 2010, rest of his career he was a below average te. Gabberts starting rt was guy whimper, lol. A rookie will rackley, an old brad meester, eugene monroe and uche. 


So where was gabbers supporting cast any better? Mjd wasnt ladanian tomlinson in the pass game.

Boy howdy, you just keep doubling down on the absurdities.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You are right, Lawrence had a better offense around him. Mjd is a rb not a wr. Wrs were jason hill, mike thomas and mike sims walker, marvin jones, treadwell, shenault are all better than any of those 3. Marcedes lewis was good in 2010, rest of his career he was a below average te. Gabberts starting rt was guy whimper, lol. A rookie will rackley, an old brad meester, eugene monroe and uche. 


So where was gabbers supporting cast any better? Mjd wasnt ladanian tomlinson in the pass game.

Boy howdy, you just keep doubling down on the absurdities.

You would be braindead to sit here and tell me that lineup of wrs and oline is any better than what trevor had.

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I am amongst those who are disappointed that he hasn’t shown himself to be the next John Elway that he was billed to be yet. But even if he never becomes that. And he just stays a non distraction, good qb who doesn’t lose us games and can make some big time throws, And can only excel when we put an elite defense and a top 10 wideout around him…. We still need to keep him as a Jaguar even if we have to overpay him to stay here  … even those types of QBs are hard to come by and the difference between them and bad ones are immense. I would be disappointed that he wasn’t the savior of the franchise but we can still get to where we want to be with that. And he will get better with age. 

Here’s hoping that he eventually does live up to the hype even though right now I don’t see it. now if he gets worse and starts putting up turnover numbers like last year and starts losing us games that’s a different story. But That would really surprise me if he became that guy with experience.

I agree. We've had our share of bad ones, and it's a franchise killer if they are bad.

With Trevor, I think the best we can hope for is a little bit below, Matt Ryan, but a more mobile version.

I agree. Was saying this last year when everybody was freaking the hell out. Is he a generational talent like Andrew Luck? Maybe. It remains to be seen. Worst case scenario? He's a Matt Ryan type. He won't consistently win. He'll need some talent around him to look better. He's not going to put this entire team on his back. If your coaching is there and your defense can keep the games close he'll probably win an MVP at some point or have a few years where he goes off stat wise. 

It's a lot better than what we got out of Bortles, Gabbert & Garrard. I know people like to knock him. But, I was impressed. Even with his mechanics getting sloppy, he was getting his [BLEEP] kicked back there in the pocket more times than not. 2 or 3 sacks and 10 QB hits can attest to this. 

He was still hanging in there or drifting out when he could. He's not scared like Gabbert was. He's not checking it down like Garrard was. He's not getting happy feet and running downfield like Bortles would try to do or throwing ugly [BLEEP] wounded ducks around out there. He's got some skills that need to be polished. We may not see it this year but maybe next year or hopefully towards the end of this year Pederson is able to tap into his potential.

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Boy howdy, you just keep doubling down on the absurdities.

You would be braindead to sit here and tell me that lineup of wrs and oline is any better than what trevor had.

Are you kidding me? That oline had 4 really good veteran players and Guy Whimper/Cam Bradfield. The receivers groups were about the same but the running game, TE, defense, and coaching were astronomically better. You clearly weren't watching this team in 2010/2011 and your assertions bear this out.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You would be braindead to sit here and tell me that lineup of wrs and oline is any better than what trevor had.

Are you kidding me? That oline had 4 really good veteran players and Guy Whimper/Cam Bradfield. The receivers groups were about the same but the running game, TE, defense, and coaching were astronomically better. You clearly weren't watching this team in 2010/2011 and your assertions bear this out.

The defense was better, the run game was better, the wrs were much worse, gabbert was hurried more than lawrence ever was that o line was god awful. You are just really inept in terms of football knowledge

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An interesting aside, analytics seem to put Trevor's performance Sunday in the average range (14-15th best QB performance in the league according to football outsiders https://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-...ay-records) in his first game in a new system with a bunch of new players around him and having suffered the highest amount of 4-man pressure (which means the secondary still had everyone back in coverage) in the league. Which fits what my eyes told me, not elite, but not the kind of, "we have to hide the QB," disasters we've repeatedly seen here over the years.

I know the bib brigade is always ready to press the eject button, but Trevor has already shown a lot. Anyone who isn't still onboard to see more deserves to go back in time 10 years, A Christmas Carol style, and relive the Jaguar's Gabbert and Bortles years to understand what it means to be hopeless as a QB.

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Are you kidding me? That oline had 4 really good veteran players and Guy Whimper/Cam Bradfield. The receivers groups were about the same but the running game, TE, defense, and coaching were astronomically better. You clearly weren't watching this team in 2010/2011 and your assertions bear this out.

The defense was better, the run game was better, the wrs were much worse, gabbert was hurried more than lawrence ever was that o line was god awful. You are just really inept in terms of football knowledge

The point is, the QB position isn't played in a vacuum.  No aspect of football is.  Also, relying on stat lines alone to draw conclusions is foolhardy.  Use your eyes.  If you have any recollection of Gabbert in the pocket versus TLaw and are drawing any sort of parallel to their play, you probably have no idea what you're watching on Sundays aside from the final score and stat lines which would explain a lot.

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