The defense was better, the run game was better, the wrs were much worse, gabbert was hurried more than lawrence ever was that o line was god awful. You are just really inept in terms of football knowledge

The point is, the QB position isn't played in a vacuum.  No aspect of football is.  Also, relying on stat lines alone to draw conclusions is foolhardy.  Use your eyes.  If you have any recollection of Gabbert in the pocket versus TLaw and are drawing any sort of parallel to their play, you probably have no idea what you're watching on Sundays aside from the final score and stat lines which would explain a lot.

He's reading a wiki page about a season he didn't actually watch. That probably applies to the 2011 Gabbert season too.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I am amongst those who are disappointed that he hasn’t shown himself to be the next John Elway that he was billed to be yet. But even if he never becomes that. And he just stays a non distraction, good qb who doesn’t lose us games and can make some big time throws, And can only excel when we put an elite defense and a top 10 wideout around him…. We still need to keep him as a Jaguar even if we have to overpay him to stay here  … even those types of QBs are hard to come by and the difference between them and bad ones are immense. I would be disappointed that he wasn’t the savior of the franchise but we can still get to where we want to be with that. And he will get better with age. 

Here’s hoping that he eventually does live up to the hype even though right now I don’t see it. now if he gets worse and starts putting up turnover numbers like last year and starts losing us games that’s a different story. But That would really surprise me if he became that guy with experience.

I find his accuracy concerning. I think a lot of it has to do with him seeing the play too late.

So many high and behind passes. Too many rifling balls that should have been thrown earlier with better touch.

He is pretty good throwing down the field, but his short passing, move the chains throwing is bad.

I know I don't have his cannon of an arm, but I think if we had a 20 yrd or less accuracy competition, I could beat him.

Quick, short, timing passes are your bread and butter in the NFL. His throws are 50/50 in those situations. Either too high, behind, too hard, or all 3.

15 yard pass for a TD and it is 5 feet over his head. I could do better with my eyes closed.

Just stop. You're posting on a message board and he's a professional QB. Get lost.

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I find his accuracy concerning. I think a lot of it has to do with him seeing the play too late.

So many high and behind passes. Too many rifling balls that should have been thrown earlier with better touch.

He is pretty good throwing down the field, but his short passing, move the chains throwing is bad.

I know I don't have his cannon of an arm, but I think if we had a 20 yrd or less accuracy competition, I could beat him.

Quick, short, timing passes are your bread and butter in the NFL. His throws are 50/50 in those situations. Either too high, behind, too hard, or all 3.

15 yard pass for a TD and it is 5 feet over his head. I could do better with my eyes closed.

Just stop. You're posting on a message board and he's a professional QB. Get lost.

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Trust the process. Was pretty evident he was getting streaky (good and bad) in that opener and for obvious reasons and for the fans who don't just stare at the QB on every snap. Not sure if I am the only person that does this but I am always looking at the LT & RT position and then the interior line before I move my eyes to the QB in passing situations. You can see how bad that play is going to be for them offensively right off the giddy up most of the time just by doing this out of habit. 

Most of the time I don't even look at the QB. I am looking at pass protection and route development whenever the camera has enough panned out for me to see. I think Pederson will look at the film and quickly help his QB out in this next contest at home. Shorten the routes, create more natural pick play opportunities (something Washington was doing quite a bit of by the way, look at the bunch formations they were running with Samuel & Dotson, almost criminal how easy it is in today's NFL).

Hopefully he realizes 15 carries is unacceptable with two competent runningbacks. Especially when they were looking pretty damn good. It's going to take some time. There's a learning curve, adjustment period and building of chemistry and trust to take place. However, they looked promising on week one. The numbers also look a lot better when you break everything down situationally and can attribute where the failures primarily rest.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Boy howdy, you just keep doubling down on the absurdities.

You would be braindead to sit here and tell me that lineup of wrs and oline is any better than what trevor had.

Oline might be similar.  But 2011 WRs were better across the board than 2021 WRs. You've got that wrong.  2021 had some good talent at RB, but they both lost significant playing time to injury.  And 2011 might not have been Marcedes' best year, but he was still better than any TE that the 2021 team had.  2011 also had more balanced and smarter play calling than we saw in 2021.

I agree with you in part that Trevor has to make more of the opportunities that he has, but up to this point he's had fewer opportunities than Gabbert had.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I agree. We've had our share of bad ones, and it's a franchise killer if they are bad.

With Trevor, I think the best we can hope for is a little bit below, Matt Ryan, but a more mobile version.

I agree. Was saying this last year when everybody was freaking the hell out. Is he a generational talent like Andrew Luck? Maybe. It remains to be seen. Worst case scenario? He's a Matt Ryan type. He won't consistently win. He'll need some talent around him to look better. He's not going to put this entire team on his back. If your coaching is there and your defense can keep the games close he'll probably win an MVP at some point or have a few years where he goes off stat wise. 

It's a lot better than what we got out of Bortles, Gabbert & Garrard. I know people like to knock him. But, I was impressed. Even with his mechanics getting sloppy, he was getting his [BLEEP] kicked back there in the pocket more times than not. 2 or 3 sacks and 10 QB hits can attest to this. 

He was still hanging in there or drifting out when he could. He's not scared like Gabbert was. He's not checking it down like Garrard was. He's not getting happy feet and running downfield like Bortles would try to do or throwing ugly [BLEEP] wounded ducks around out there. He's got some skills that need to be polished. We may not see it this year but maybe next year or hopefully towards the end of this year Pederson is able to tap into his potential.

You know Matt Ryan is/was a better QB than Andrew Luck, right?

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I agree. Was saying this last year when everybody was freaking the hell out. Is he a generational talent like Andrew Luck? Maybe. It remains to be seen. Worst case scenario? He's a Matt Ryan type. He won't consistently win. He'll need some talent around him to look better. He's not going to put this entire team on his back. If your coaching is there and your defense can keep the games close he'll probably win an MVP at some point or have a few years where he goes off stat wise. 

It's a lot better than what we got out of Bortles, Gabbert & Garrard. I know people like to knock him. But, I was impressed. Even with his mechanics getting sloppy, he was getting his [BLEEP] kicked back there in the pocket more times than not. 2 or 3 sacks and 10 QB hits can attest to this. 

He was still hanging in there or drifting out when he could. He's not scared like Gabbert was. He's not checking it down like Garrard was. He's not getting happy feet and running downfield like Bortles would try to do or throwing ugly [BLEEP] wounded ducks around out there. He's got some skills that need to be polished. We may not see it this year but maybe next year or hopefully towards the end of this year Pederson is able to tap into his potential.

You know Matt Ryan is/was a better QB than Andrew Luck, right?

Matt Ryan: 4 - 6 in the post season with the greatest choke job of all time in Superbowl History with fifteen years of football and 223 career games. 

Andrew Luck: 4 - 4 in the post season with five years of football and 70 career games. With a beat up body throughout the entirety of his career. 

It's not even close. Andrew Luck was a better QB from head to toe. Just had to play behind a really horrible offensive line throughout most of his career and his body took an absolute beating because of that. Nobody was talking up Matt Ryan coming out of Boston College the way Andrew Luck was being touted coming out of Stanford. 

Matt Ryan is statistically better because he had a better supporting cast and was fortunate to stay healthy throughout his career. Not knocking the guy. He's just not somebody you look at and go "Man, really want this guy in crunch time on my team". He's just that "guy" that people will remember during an era of passers that had Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees & Roethlisberger. 

He never made enough big plays in the biggest games of his career. Period. Luck did way more with way less. Don't let your Jaguar fandom get in the way of this.

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I haven't seen this posted anywhere, but can we talk about the second IG penalty?

I've never seen an IG called on a QB who's in the process of being sacked like that. The arm went forward and he couldn't generate the velocity because of the hit.

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I haven't seen this posted anywhere, but can we talk about the second IG penalty?

I've never seen an IG called on a QB who's in the process of being sacked like that. The arm went forward and he couldn't generate the velocity because of the hit.

Both of them were questionable calls. We almost never see it called at all because normally if there's a guy in the general direction the QB seems to be facing they get the benefit of the doubt. Pretty much only normally happens when a guy throws a ball away in a very obvious way, not when they get hit while their arm is in motion.

Also, there were multiple occurrences of roughiing against Trevor that should have been called but weren't.

Overall the refs seemed to not like the idea of protecting Trevor in any way.

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I haven't seen this posted anywhere, but can we talk about the second IG penalty?

I've never seen an IG called on a QB who's in the process of being sacked like that. The arm went forward and he couldn't generate the velocity because of the hit.

I recall seeing in the replay that TL actually reached over the defenders shoulder and his hand and wrist motion were downward to the ground. 

Could the momentum of being contacted influence that? Yes, but his motion appeared downward to me. 

Ticky-tack call iMO, but I get it.

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I haven't seen this posted anywhere, but can we talk about the second IG penalty?

I've never seen an IG called on a QB who's in the process of being sacked like that. The arm went forward and he couldn't generate the velocity because of the hit.

Both of them were questionable calls. We almost never see it called at all because normally if there's a guy in the general direction the QB seems to be facing they get the benefit of the doubt. Pretty much only normally happens when a guy throws a ball away in a very obvious way, not when they get hit while their arm is in motion.

Also, there were multiple occurrences of roughiing against Trevor that should have been called but weren't.

Overall the refs seemed to not like the idea of protecting Trevor in any way.

I noticed this as well. I saw multiple times of Trvor getting hit in the head/face not get called. But the one on Wentz wasn't even that egregious. If you're going to call that one, you have to call the others.

I haven't seen this posted anywhere, but can we talk about the second IG penalty?

I've never seen an IG called on a QB who's in the process of being sacked like that. The arm went forward and he couldn't generate the velocity because of the hit.

I recall seeing in the replay that TL actually reached over the defenders shoulder and his hand and wrist motion were downward to the ground. 

Could the momentum of being contacted influence that? Yes, but his motion appeared downward to me. 

Ticky-tack call iMO, but I get it.

Fair, I only watched it live and haven't watched the game again. From first glance it appeared that if you followed where the ball would go there was a receiver further down the field and he just didn't have the arm strength to get it there with the hit.

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Both of them were questionable calls. We almost never see it called at all because normally if there's a guy in the general direction the QB seems to be facing they get the benefit of the doubt. Pretty much only normally happens when a guy throws a ball away in a very obvious way, not when they get hit while their arm is in motion.

Also, there were multiple occurrences of roughiing against Trevor that should have been called but weren't.

Overall the refs seemed to not like the idea of protecting Trevor in any way.

I noticed this as well. I saw multiple times of Trvor getting hit in the head/face not get called. But the one on Wentz wasn't even that egregious. If you're going to call that one, you have to call the others.

I recall seeing in the replay that TL actually reached over the defenders shoulder and his hand and wrist motion were downward to the ground. 

Could the momentum of being contacted influence that? Yes, but his motion appeared downward to me. 

Ticky-tack call iMO, but I get it.

Fair, I only watched it live and haven't watched the game again. From first glance it appeared that if you followed where the ball would go there was a receiver further down the field and he just didn't have the arm strength to get it there with the hit.

There were multiple that could be called if the refs wanted to be touchy, but one in particular where he got speared and driven into the ground definitely needed to be called. You can find a clip of it on Nate Tice's Twitter.

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I noticed this as well. I saw multiple times of Trvor getting hit in the head/face not get called. But the one on Wentz wasn't even that egregious. If you're going to call that one, you have to call the others.


Fair, I only watched it live and haven't watched the game again. From first glance it appeared that if you followed where the ball would go there was a receiver further down the field and he just didn't have the arm strength to get it there with the hit.

There were multiple that could be called if the refs wanted to be touchy, but one in particular where he got speared and driven into the ground definitely needed to be called. You can find a clip of it on Nate Tice's Twitter.

He had a facemask to facemask hit at one point. The one grounding call that I didn't like was when he was technically right on the border of being just outside the tackle box and he was fixing to take the sack. 

However, I could have sworn Manhertz was in the area and that's where he may have been trying to go with the football. I think Manhertz was just a little late getting off from his release. Was pretty ticky tacky for sure. 

I also don't think Etienne fumbled that football. Patterson probably makes that field goal there in the first half had it not been kept ruling wise after the review. Always a bummer when the commentators and the officiating guy in New York agree it's not a good call and the stripes say it stands anyway.

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There were multiple that could be called if the refs wanted to be touchy, but one in particular where he got speared and driven into the ground definitely needed to be called. You can find a clip of it on Nate Tice's Twitter.

He had a facemask to facemask hit at one point. The one grounding call that I didn't like was when he was technically right on the border of being just outside the tackle box and he was fixing to take the sack. 

However, I could have sworn Manhertz was in the area and that's where he may have been trying to go with the football. I think Manhertz was just a little late getting off from his release. Was pretty ticky tacky for sure. 

I also don't think Etienne fumbled that football. Patterson probably makes that field goal there in the first half had it not been kept ruling wise after the review. Always a bummer when the commentators and the officiating guy in New York agree it's not a good call and the stripes say it stands anyway.

The fumble was clearly the incorrect call looking at the replay. It's why the refs shouldn't even be involved in the review calls, just have New York buzz them and tell them they're reviewing it and then what the correct call is and move on. Ref feelings don't need to be coddled, sometimes people get things wrong on first view.

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I think Trevor‘s breakthrough game will come this year, but likely not until mid season. I would like to see it next week, but I’m not feeling it right now.

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Pressured or not pressured is one thing( and I think his clean pocket grade is promising), but I wonder if it's possible to see how he grades in the red zone. Especially compared to other quarterbacks.

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It always does not come down to clean/unclean pocket.  Look at this clean pocket and then look how bad he misses ETN here.  This is a blake bortles level throw with how bad he missed this open pass. 

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The kid will grow from this experience.

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Respect the game.  Play with a sense of urgency. 


1.)  Take care of the ball.  Win the turnover battle.

2.)  It's all about 3rd down.  Win on 3rd down to win the game.

3.) Playmakers make plays.  The only reason that you put your uniform on is to make plays. In order to EARN your paycheck, you must make plays.  

Learn from the great collapse of 2023.  

Every Offensive play from Sunday's game via all-22 coaches tape.
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The kid will grow from this experience.

I sure hope so... He's struggled quite a bit but we do get flashes here and there. If he can iron out most of his issues, we have a nice QB, probably a top 10-ish guy and that's plenty good.

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