He also had 8 interceptions in his first six games of his second season.

It's still the same story with the bib brigade, in that they're looking at end results of games and throwing their hands up in the air and declaring Trevor must have been bad because the team lost. Likewise those that look at bit deeper see that his performance wasn't as bad as it seemed in some statistical ways, and he likes like a young Peyton on a lesser team.

At some point he's going to have enough talent around him and experience to take off in a major way.

I think statistically Trevor had a solid showing. What worried me more than anything else was that it felt like he got uncomfortable when the game was on his shoulders. I don't feel like he has that clutch gene that the greats have, but time will tell.

Do you think Aaron Rodgers is clutch? Remember this old chestnut?

https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-pack...ers-and-co

I recall similar sentiment about Peyton at one point in his career. Was it justified?

Trevor has had a handful of chances at winning a close game in his career thus far. Let's let him have some time before we decide if he's "clutch" or not. It could take years before he has the experience and roster that can allow for him to have the opportunity to take over a game late.

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We should all least be patient through this year. It’s not like he had a solid rookie year where he was able to learn a lot last year. He has a lot of elite traits that you look for a quarterback. Just because he’s not taking over games quite yet does not mean we should be giving up on the guy. Buffalo would’ve cut Josh Allen if they were this impatient lol.

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I have zero worries with TLaw having Doug as a HC.. Dude gonna break out soon enough and when he does, 'eryone around the league is gonna lose their minds like TLaw never had it in him in the first place..

Gonna trust the process..

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Lets face it, he’s not the 2nd coming of Peyton Manning

But if he can just be average with some great games here or there, and stay healthy for the next few seasons, the Jags do not have to waste pucks and money on a QB, and redirect those efforts to beef up the rest of the team

Do you know where Peyton Manning was at this same point in his career? Not good!

Indianapolis? yeah, not good.

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I have zero worries with TLaw having Doug as a HC.. Dude gonna break out soon enough and when he does, 'eryone around the league is gonna lose their minds like TLaw never had it in him in the first place..

Gonna trust the process..

hear, hear.

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I think statistically Trevor had a solid showing. What worried me more than anything else was that it felt like he got uncomfortable when the game was on his shoulders. I don't feel like he has that clutch gene that the greats have, but time will tell.

Do you think Aaron Rodgers is clutch? Remember this old chestnut?

https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-pack...ers-and-co

I recall similar sentiment about Peyton at one point in his career. Was it justified?

Trevor has had a handful of chances at winning a close game in his career thus far. Let's let him have some time before we decide if he's "clutch" or not. It could take years before he has the experience and roster that can allow for him to have the opportunity to take over a game late.

Peyton was considered to be a bit of a choker in the playoffs, I don't think anyone thought he wasn't clutch in the regular season lol. Also Rodgers imo would fall in that same category, he hasn't been great in the playoffs barring that one SB run.

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Do you think Aaron Rodgers is clutch? Remember this old chestnut?

https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-pack...ers-and-co

I recall similar sentiment about Peyton at one point in his career. Was it justified?

Trevor has had a handful of chances at winning a close game in his career thus far. Let's let him have some time before we decide if he's "clutch" or not. It could take years before he has the experience and roster that can allow for him to have the opportunity to take over a game late.

Peyton was considered to be a bit of a choker in the playoffs, I don't think anyone thought he wasn't clutch in the regular season lol. Also Rodgers imo would fall in that same category, he hasn't been great in the playoffs barring that one SB run.

Agreed on both players. Peyton had some ugly performances in his four Superbowl appearances. Even the two that he won were pretty ugly. Rodgers I think fits the same exact mold. 

His one Superbowl victory also came against a Steelers team that had it's entire offensive line completely decimated. I want to say they had a guard or tackle starting in that game after they picked him up off the street two or three weeks prior to the game. 

Great QB's. Don't get me wrong. Would have taken either one of them in a heartbeat as a fan here in Jacksonville growing up. However, when it's all said and done. People will remember you for what you did or didn't do in big moments. 

Both of them fall short in the play-off's.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Trevor is on bust watch still. Great QB's get it done in clutch time. We folded.

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Do you think Aaron Rodgers is clutch? Remember this old chestnut?

https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-pack...ers-and-co

I recall similar sentiment about Peyton at one point in his career. Was it justified?

Trevor has had a handful of chances at winning a close game in his career thus far. Let's let him have some time before we decide if he's "clutch" or not. It could take years before he has the experience and roster that can allow for him to have the opportunity to take over a game late.

Peyton was considered to be a bit of a choker in the playoffs, I don't think anyone thought he wasn't clutch in the regular season lol. Also Rodgers imo would fall in that same category, he hasn't been great in the playoffs barring that one SB run.

Peyton was considered to be a bit of a choker in the playoffs, I don't think anyone thought he wasn't clutch in the regular season lol. Also Rodgers imo would fall in that same category, he hasn't been great in the playoffs barring that one SB run.

Agreed on both players. Peyton had some ugly performances in his four Superbowl appearances. Even the two that he won were pretty ugly. Rodgers I think fits the same exact mold. 

His one Superbowl victory also came against a Steelers team that had it's entire offensive line completely decimated. I want to say they had a guard or tackle starting in that game after they picked him up off the street two or three weeks prior to the game. 

Great QB's. Don't get me wrong. Would have taken either one of them in a heartbeat as a fan here in Jacksonville growing up. However, when it's all said and done. People will remember you for what you did or didn't do in big moments. 

Both of them fall short in the play-off's.

I'm not talking about choking in the playoffs, I'm saying that there has been discussion about Rodgers' poor record in close games. He's improved since in that record over the last few years, but the point is if you think "clutch" is what matters then you would probably think Rodgers isn't any good, either. I think Jax would definitely take Rodgers' career for Trevor, but maybe I'm wrong about that.

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Ok, there is cope and then there is nuclear cope. This is nuclear cope. This thread is now arguing that TL is not a bust but AR is? That’s some grade A entertainment there. Keep it up, folks!

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Trevor gonna need to have one of those elite 3-4 td 0 int kind of games for me to believe anything is changing at this point

I’m shocked…SHOCKED I tell you.

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I agree with much of what you're saying, but disagree with the play calling take.  The offense was in position several times and couldn't not execute, specifically the issues you cited above.  The play calling was fine considering they were in position to take control of the game but just didn't execute properly.

Trevor has only played 18 games in his career and has already had 3 head coaches.  Last year was such a disaster I'll give him a bit of a pass the first half of this year since he's learning a new system and playing with almost all new players.  But, ultimately he needs to get better if we want to win football games.  Everything relies on the QB these days to sustain long term success.

This thread should ultimately just merge with the Trevor Lawrence discussion thread but I can't disagree with Pete or Tony.

Does Trevor need to play better? Yea.... So do a lot of players on this team. It's week 1 man. Relax. I thought the offense moved the ball well but struggled in the red zone which is very much like the pre season. Can't blame the playcalling when they were legit moving the ball extremely well. Only 1 3 and out. ETN catches that TD or Zay makes a play on either of his end zone attempts or Trevor hits ETN on the wheel and this game is over.

I also agree with Pete when he says "Jags fans.... don't be this stupid. Can't call him a bust." I have absolutely zero worries about Trevor.

I get the "Well, it was working". However, it wasn't working well enough in my opinion. Otherwise we're not having this conversation now. Consider this as well. 

Unless that offensive line magically gets better and gets better fast? Are you really that comfortable and confident that Lawrence will survive this year dropping back forty or more times per game given what we saw in Washington?

The schedule only gets tough from here gentleman. This offensive line got absolutely handled by a defensive line that did not even have it's premier pass rusher. What do you think is going to happen in L.A on the 25th against the Chargers? With Bosa and Mack out there?

This can get ugly and ugly fast if Pederson thinks he can get away with Lawrence dropping back forty or more times per game. I get it. It's early. Same people were thinking that in Dallas and look at what happened with Prescott already.

I am a football fan. But I am a realist first.

+1
Lawrence will not finish the season if he continues to get punished like that. The team faces better defensive lines this season. Alarming that Cam just got paid along with Scherff and they both played poorly. Scherff is suppose to be an all pro guard.

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I get the "Well, it was working". However, it wasn't working well enough in my opinion. Otherwise we're not having this conversation now. Consider this as well. 

Unless that offensive line magically gets better and gets better fast? Are you really that comfortable and confident that Lawrence will survive this year dropping back forty or more times per game given what we saw in Washington?

The schedule only gets tough from here gentleman. This offensive line got absolutely handled by a defensive line that did not even have it's premier pass rusher. What do you think is going to happen in L.A on the 25th against the Chargers? With Bosa and Mack out there?

This can get ugly and ugly fast if Pederson thinks he can get away with Lawrence dropping back forty or more times per game. I get it. It's early. Same people were thinking that in Dallas and look at what happened with Prescott already.

I am a football fan. But I am a realist first.

+1
Lawrence will not finish the season if he continues to get punished like that. The team faces better defensive lines this season. Alarming that Cam just got paid along with Scherff and they both played poorly. Scherff is suppose to be an all pro guard.

The line needs to get better or the game plan will need to change.

Also, in case anyone hasn't seen it yet.

https://youtu.be/4633hZRl4lM

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Trevor is on bust watch still.  Great QB's get it done in clutch time.  We folded.

I guess Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow aren’t great then…

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Trevor is on bust watch still.  Great QB's get it done in clutch time.  We folded.

Can only do so much when you're pressured as quickly and as much as he was.

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Trevor, please just have a breakout game this week so we can put all this chatter to rest

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Trevor, please just have a breakout game this week so we can put all this chatter to rest

It wouldn't.

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Trevor, please just have a breakout game this week so we can put all this chatter to rest

It wouldn't.

voice of experience right here.

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+1
Lawrence will not finish the season if he continues to get punished like that. The team faces better defensive lines this season. Alarming that Cam just got paid along with Scherff and they both played poorly. Scherff is suppose to be an all pro guard.

The line needs to get better or the game plan will need to change.

Also, in case anyone hasn't seen it yet.

https://youtu.be/4633hZRl4lM

Great video. Thanks for sharing.

I love how he mentioned how good the play designs were. "Last year they ran 5 slants".

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It wouldn't.

voice of experience right here.

Seriously. He could break the single game td record and we'd still hear "Well ACTUALLY he other threw this guy here and missed an open guy there"

I'm convinced he would win MVP and get us a SB and the usual suspects would still call him a bust.

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Trevor, please just have a breakout game this week so we can put all this chatter to rest

It wouldn't.

Precisely. It would just alter the narrative. "Well, he's done it before! Why the [BLEEP] can't he do it every week! How dare he get us excited and then do this!".

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+1
Lawrence will not finish the season if he continues to get punished like that. The team faces better defensive lines this season. Alarming that Cam just got paid along with Scherff and they both played poorly. Scherff is suppose to be an all pro guard.

The line needs to get better or the game plan will need to change.

Also, in case anyone hasn't seen it yet.

https://youtu.be/4633hZRl4lM

Thanks for sharing this. There's only a handful of Youtuber's that I know of that breakdown games and individual plays but this is one of the better ones yet. Does he post weekly?

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."