I was under the impression we needed to trade for a vet

Matt Ryan will probably be available.

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So funny but it looks like only Jags fans are worried about Trevor. A lot of QB gurus and analysts seem to think he will be just fine. Coulda fooled me! I was under the impression we needed to trade for a vet and then use our first next year on a QB!

He just needs to string together another two or three weeks of good performances into wins and it'll quell the fire and doubt surrounding him at the moment. 

I think there's no reason to believe he can't improve. Again, he's just now coming off his 22nd career NFL regular season start. Are the expectations high? Certainly. 

I know some people on here are looking at 2022 as his true rookie year. I am not doing that. The speed of the NFL is something that you have to experience and adjust to but he was showing signs of handling this in the few wins that they had managed to pull off last year. 

He's also shown some tenacity and abilities to lead this team into a victory late. Miami game in London being the main one to look at. Where he struggles at the moment is two crucial parts of being an NFL caliber QB. He's struggling in the redzone and he's struggling with his deep ball accuracy. 

Those may very well be the last two things he develops and fine tunes as the year progresses and we may not see the fruits of that labor until the month of December unfortunately. These things happen. 

Next year is make or break for me personally with him as a fan though. Year one? Fine. Year two? Okay. Year three? Nope. No more [BLEEP] excuses. I also don't think there's anything wrong with Baalke and Pederson collaborating on a potential replacement next off season. 

Whether that's taking a chance on a developmental player later on during day three of the draft or signing a veteran doesn't really matter to me. Just as long as they're up for the challenge.

Cooper Rush, Gardner Minshew, Taylor Heinicke, Case Keenum & Jacoby Brissett are all UFA's in 2023's market. 

Will Levis, Hendon Hooker, Anthony Richardson, Cameron Ward & Phil Jurkovec are also decent QB targets from next year's class potentially to be looking at as players you can develop along slowly in 2023 / 2024.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

So funny but it looks like only Jags fans are worried about Trevor. A lot of QB gurus and analysts seem to think he will be just fine. Coulda fooled me! I was under the impression we needed to trade for a vet and then use our first next year on a QB!

I'll worry once he's in year 3 and if he hasn't took a few steps by then.

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My guy. Watch them play and if you really see similarities, go to MyEyeDoctor.

The collective memory of Bortles’ time here is so fuzzy.  I guess the goodwill created from the playoff run outweighs what was plain to see regarding his deficiencies as a passer for most.

He had some games that would make you go WOW in a good way. I recall that game against Seattle at night and he looked like Brady. But it was an illusion because he'd follow that up by tossing 4 Ints and 116 yards.

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So funny but it looks like only Jags fans are worried about Trevor. A lot of QB gurus and analysts seem to think he will be just fine. Coulda fooled me! I was under the impression we needed to trade for a vet and then use our first next year on a QB!

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. He's struggling in the redzone and he's struggling with his deep ball accuracy. 

Those may very well be the last two things he develops and fine tunes as the year progresses and we may not see the fruits of that labor until the month of December unfortunately. These things happen. 

Those struggles are minor to what else he is not doing. His mechanics are terrible. Look at the way he throws the ball it looks like its floating...he's always flat footed.

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So funny but it looks like only Jags fans are worried about Trevor. A lot of QB gurus and analysts seem to think he will be just fine. Coulda fooled me! I was under the impression we needed to trade for a vet and then use our first next year on a QB!

He just needs to string together another two or three weeks of good performances into wins and it'll quell the fire and doubt surrounding him at the moment. 

I think there's no reason to believe he can't improve. Again, he's just now coming off his 22nd career NFL regular season start. Are the expectations high? Certainly. 

I know some people on here are looking at 2022 as his true rookie year. I am not doing that. The speed of the NFL is something that you have to experience and adjust to but he was showing signs of handling this in the few wins that they had managed to pull off last year. 

He's also shown some tenacity and abilities to lead this team into a victory late. Miami game in London being the main one to look at. Where he struggles at the moment is two crucial parts of being an NFL caliber QB. He's struggling in the redzone and he's struggling with his deep ball accuracy. 

Those may very well be the last two things he develops and fine tunes as the year progresses and we may not see the fruits of that labor until the month of December unfortunately. These things happen. 

Next year is make or break for me personally with him as a fan though. Year one? Fine. Year two? Okay. Year three? Nope. No more [BLEEP] excuses. I also don't think there's anything wrong with Baalke and Pederson collaborating on a potential replacement next off season. 

Whether that's taking a chance on a developmental player later on during day three of the draft or signing a veteran doesn't really matter to me. Just as long as they're up for the challenge.

Cooper Rush, Gardner Minshew, Taylor Heinicke, Case Keenum & Jacoby Brissett are all UFA's in 2023's market. 

Will Levis, Hendon Hooker, Anthony Richardson, Cameron Ward & Phil Jurkovec are also decent QB targets from next year's class potentially to be looking at as players you can develop along slowly in 2023 / 2024.

To the bolded.

He literally already did that. Week 2 and Week 3 and yet here we are.

If Trevor fails, Baalke and Pederson won't be here so there's no reason for them to look for replacements. They live and die by Trevor.

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He just needs to string together another two or three weeks of good performances into wins and it'll quell the fire and doubt surrounding him at the moment. 

I think there's no reason to believe he can't improve. Again, he's just now coming off his 22nd career NFL regular season start. Are the expectations high? Certainly. 

I know some people on here are looking at 2022 as his true rookie year. I am not doing that. The speed of the NFL is something that you have to experience and adjust to but he was showing signs of handling this in the few wins that they had managed to pull off last year. 

He's also shown some tenacity and abilities to lead this team into a victory late. Miami game in London being the main one to look at. Where he struggles at the moment is two crucial parts of being an NFL caliber QB. He's struggling in the redzone and he's struggling with his deep ball accuracy. 

Those may very well be the last two things he develops and fine tunes as the year progresses and we may not see the fruits of that labor until the month of December unfortunately. These things happen. 

Next year is make or break for me personally with him as a fan though. Year one? Fine. Year two? Okay. Year three? Nope. No more [BLEEP] excuses. I also don't think there's anything wrong with Baalke and Pederson collaborating on a potential replacement next off season. 

Whether that's taking a chance on a developmental player later on during day three of the draft or signing a veteran doesn't really matter to me. Just as long as they're up for the challenge.

Cooper Rush, Gardner Minshew, Taylor Heinicke, Case Keenum & Jacoby Brissett are all UFA's in 2023's market. 

Will Levis, Hendon Hooker, Anthony Richardson, Cameron Ward & Phil Jurkovec are also decent QB targets from next year's class potentially to be looking at as players you can develop along slowly in 2023 / 2024.

If Trevor fails, Baalke and Pederson won't be here so there's no reason for them to look for replacements. They live and die by Trevor.

And you know this, how?

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If Trevor fails, Baalke and Pederson won't be here so there's no reason for them to look for replacements. They live and die by Trevor.

And you know this, how?

Just an educated guess.

Baalke will have an abysmal record as GM of this team and Pederson will have squandered the best QB prospect this team has ever seen. If this fails, it will be an all-time disaster and one that no one should survive.

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And you know this, how?

Just an educated guess.

Baalke will have an abysmal record as GM of this team and Pederson will have squandered the best QB prospect this team has ever seen. If this fails, it will be an all-time disaster and one that no one should survive.

I can get the Baalke firing but I doubt the Jaguars get rid of Pederson if though he is a mediocre hire at the very best.

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He just needs to string together another two or three weeks of good performances into wins and it'll quell the fire and doubt surrounding him at the moment. 

I think there's no reason to believe he can't improve. Again, he's just now coming off his 22nd career NFL regular season start. Are the expectations high? Certainly. 

I know some people on here are looking at 2022 as his true rookie year. I am not doing that. The speed of the NFL is something that you have to experience and adjust to but he was showing signs of handling this in the few wins that they had managed to pull off last year. 

He's also shown some tenacity and abilities to lead this team into a victory late. Miami game in London being the main one to look at. Where he struggles at the moment is two crucial parts of being an NFL caliber QB. He's struggling in the redzone and he's struggling with his deep ball accuracy. 

Those may very well be the last two things he develops and fine tunes as the year progresses and we may not see the fruits of that labor until the month of December unfortunately. These things happen. 

Next year is make or break for me personally with him as a fan though. Year one? Fine. Year two? Okay. Year three? Nope. No more [BLEEP] excuses. I also don't think there's anything wrong with Baalke and Pederson collaborating on a potential replacement next off season. 

Whether that's taking a chance on a developmental player later on during day three of the draft or signing a veteran doesn't really matter to me. Just as long as they're up for the challenge.

Cooper Rush, Gardner Minshew, Taylor Heinicke, Case Keenum & Jacoby Brissett are all UFA's in 2023's market. 

Will Levis, Hendon Hooker, Anthony Richardson, Cameron Ward & Phil Jurkovec are also decent QB targets from next year's class potentially to be looking at as players you can develop along slowly in 2023 / 2024.

To the bolded.

He literally already did that. Week 2 and Week 3 and yet here we are.

If Trevor fails, Baalke and Pederson won't be here so there's no reason for them to look for replacements. They live and die by Trevor.

I am aware that he did that, hence, "He needs to string together ANOTHER two or three weeks of good performances". He needs to do MORE of that and less of what he's done in weeks four and five. Pretty sure we're in agreement on that one. 

Also, I am not so sure Baalke and Pederson are shown the door if Lawrence is failing to get it done by the end of next year. No disrespect to Lawrence but Pederson has a proven track record and he's shown he's capable of fixing QB's. 

Again, it's not like Pederson is telling Lawrence to throw interceptions in the redzone and endzone and put the football on the ground four times in one game. When your number is called? Do your damn job. That's the reality of being a professional. Nobody cares about last year. It's what you're doing NOW. 

And right now? He's not passing the eye test over the last two weeks. It's as simple as that. Also, given Khan's track record? He was patient with Bradley/Caldwell, he was patient with Marrone/Caldwell, that was with Bortles in the middle of it all. Hell, had the news not made it to the public there's a good chance Coughlin still has a job here. 

I don't think they "live or die" by Trevor. I think Trevor is on his own if he doesn't start showing more consistently good things out there on the football field Vs. the bad things he's been doing over the last two weeks. With all that said. Wouldn't shock me at all if Pederson, Baalke and Lawrence, for better or worse, are ALL still here in 2024.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

He just needs to string together another two or three weeks of good performances into wins and it'll quell the fire and doubt surrounding him at the moment. 

I think there's no reason to believe he can't improve. Again, he's just now coming off his 22nd career NFL regular season start. Are the expectations high? Certainly. 

I know some people on here are looking at 2022 as his true rookie year. I am not doing that. The speed of the NFL is something that you have to experience and adjust to but he was showing signs of handling this in the few wins that they had managed to pull off last year. 

He's also shown some tenacity and abilities to lead this team into a victory late. Miami game in London being the main one to look at. Where he struggles at the moment is two crucial parts of being an NFL caliber QB. He's struggling in the redzone and he's struggling with his deep ball accuracy. 

Those may very well be the last two things he develops and fine tunes as the year progresses and we may not see the fruits of that labor until the month of December unfortunately. These things happen. 

Next year is make or break for me personally with him as a fan though. Year one? Fine. Year two? Okay. Year three? Nope. No more [BLEEP] excuses. I also don't think there's anything wrong with Baalke and Pederson collaborating on a potential replacement next off season. 

Whether that's taking a chance on a developmental player later on during day three of the draft or signing a veteran doesn't really matter to me. Just as long as they're up for the challenge.

Cooper Rush, Gardner Minshew, Taylor Heinicke, Case Keenum & Jacoby Brissett are all UFA's in 2023's market. 

Will Levis, Hendon Hooker, Anthony Richardson, Cameron Ward & Phil Jurkovec are also decent QB targets from next year's class potentially to be looking at as players you can develop along slowly in 2023 / 2024.

To the bolded.

He literally already did that. Week 2 and Week 3 and yet here we are.

If Trevor fails, Baalke and Pederson won't be here so there's no reason for them to look for replacements. They live and die by Trevor.

Maybe Baalke.

Pederson being shown the door if Trevor somehow fails seems nonsensical to me. 

RE: the prior bit, 2 games of that isn't enough - Caldrac's statement still holds true. They more consistently he can string together games with limited mistakes, the more the team's transition as a whole will make sense (and the more the overreaction brigade will disappear back into the shrubbery)

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To the bolded.

He literally already did that. Week 2 and Week 3 and yet here we are.

If Trevor fails, Baalke and Pederson won't be here so there's no reason for them to look for replacements. They live and die by Trevor.

Maybe Baalke.

Pederson being shown the door if Trevor somehow fails seems nonsensical to me. 

RE: the prior bit, 2 games of that isn't enough - Caldrac's statement still holds true. They more consistently he can string together games with limited mistakes, the more the team's transition as a whole will make sense (and the more the overreaction brigade will disappear back into the shrubbery)

I just feel like if Trevor fails, thats a big extension of Pederson failing.

This is all moot for me anyway because I don't think it's going to fail.

And I agree that if Trevor puts together a few more consistently good games, it will silence the haters but they are going to come out the second he has a bad game no matter what.

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Maybe Baalke.

Pederson being shown the door if Trevor somehow fails seems nonsensical to me. 

RE: the prior bit, 2 games of that isn't enough - Caldrac's statement still holds true. They more consistently he can string together games with limited mistakes, the more the team's transition as a whole will make sense (and the more the overreaction brigade will disappear back into the shrubbery)

I just feel like if Trevor fails, thats a big extension of Pederson failing.

This is all moot for me anyway because I don't think it's going to fail.

And I agree that if Trevor puts together a few more consistently good games, it will silence the haters but they are going to come out the second he has a bad game no matter what.

Nobody cares about the haters but it's not just when he has a bad game, it's when he starts stringing together multiple bad games in a row is when reasons of concern are valid.

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Week 2 & 3 wasn't really impressive either.

He posts Tannehill-esque numbers.

The volume that Pederson has given him he should do way better than posting 200 yards games with two thrown TDs. That's simply not enough.

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 I was under the impression we needed to trade for a vet

Matt Ryan will probably be available.

Possibly as early as next week.

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Week 2 & 3 wasn't really impressive either.

He posts Tannehill-esque numbers.

The volume that Pederson has given him he should do way better than posting 200 yards games with two thrown TDs. That's simply not enough.

You're a casual fan then. He was money in both games. I'll take that QB play 99.9% of the time and look for those exceedingly high pressure expectations and bigger plays in the play-off's. That's a whole new ball game and conversation though. 

Baby steps. Saying that those two games weren't really impressive in comparison to what we saw last year is just trolling at this point. I'll agree that the volume is relatively high. However, for perspective sake? Again, he barely averaged 25 passing attempts per game at Clemson and there's a lot to be said when you look at how well he actually plays outside of the pocket. 

That's what gives me more hope with him down the stretch. His pocket presence needs to improve, especially when given a clean pocket, the accuracy has to get better, especially on the deep pass attempts. However, when he's able to do what he did at Clemson, moving in and out of the pocket, the fakes, the rollouts, the bootlegs, etc. 

That's where the kid shines. It's growing pains. But, back to the comment you made. You're just an [BLEEP] at this point man. Sorry. Not sorry. Call a spade a spade when you see it. If you don't think playing efficient football is impressive at this level you're just an [BLEEP].

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

He just needs to string together another two or three weeks of good performances into wins and it'll quell the fire and doubt surrounding him at the moment. 

I think there's no reason to believe he can't improve. Again, he's just now coming off his 22nd career NFL regular season start. Are the expectations high? Certainly. 

I know some people on here are looking at 2022 as his true rookie year. I am not doing that. The speed of the NFL is something that you have to experience and adjust to but he was showing signs of handling this in the few wins that they had managed to pull off last year. 

He's also shown some tenacity and abilities to lead this team into a victory late. Miami game in London being the main one to look at. Where he struggles at the moment is two crucial parts of being an NFL caliber QB. He's struggling in the redzone and he's struggling with his deep ball accuracy. 

Those may very well be the last two things he develops and fine tunes as the year progresses and we may not see the fruits of that labor until the month of December unfortunately. These things happen. 

Next year is make or break for me personally with him as a fan though. Year one? Fine. Year two? Okay. Year three? Nope. No more [BLEEP] excuses. I also don't think there's anything wrong with Baalke and Pederson collaborating on a potential replacement next off season. 

Whether that's taking a chance on a developmental player later on during day three of the draft or signing a veteran doesn't really matter to me. Just as long as they're up for the challenge.

Cooper Rush, Gardner Minshew, Taylor Heinicke, Case Keenum & Jacoby Brissett are all UFA's in 2023's market. 

Will Levis, Hendon Hooker, Anthony Richardson, Cameron Ward & Phil Jurkovec are also decent QB targets from next year's class potentially to be looking at as players you can develop along slowly in 2023 / 2024.

To the bolded.

He literally already did that. Week 2 and Week 3 and yet here we are.

If Trevor fails, Baalke and Pederson won't be here so there's no reason for them to look for replacements. They live and die by Trevor.

Why would Pederson's future be tied to Lawrence? He didn't draft him.

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Maybe Baalke.

Pederson being shown the door if Trevor somehow fails seems nonsensical to me. 

RE: the prior bit, 2 games of that isn't enough - Caldrac's statement still holds true. They more consistently he can string together games with limited mistakes, the more the team's transition as a whole will make sense (and the more the overreaction brigade will disappear back into the shrubbery)

I just feel like if Trevor fails, thats a big extension of Pederson failing.

This is all moot for me anyway because I don't think it's going to fail.

And I agree that if Trevor puts together a few more consistently good games, it will silence the haters but they are going to come out the second he has a bad game no matter what.

That sounds like you're saying Trevor is as good as the hype and if he fails then it's all on Pederson squandering it instead of Trevor possibly not being the guy.

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Week 2 & 3 wasn't really impressive either.

He posts Tannehill-esque numbers.

The volume that Pederson has given him he should do way better than posting 200 yards games with two thrown TDs. That's simply not enough.

You're a casual fan then. He was money in both games. I'll take that QB play 99.9% of the time and look for those exceedingly high pressure expectations and bigger plays in the play-off's. That's a whole new ball game and conversation though. 

Baby steps. Saying that those two games weren't really impressive in comparison to what we saw last year is just trolling at this point. I'll agree that the volume is relatively high. However, for perspective sake? Again, he barely averaged 25 passing attempts per game at Clemson and there's a lot to be said when you look at how well he actually plays outside of the pocket. 

That's what gives me more hope with him down the stretch. His pocket presence needs to improve, especially when given a clean pocket, the accuracy has to get better, especially on the deep pass attempts. However, when he's able to do what he did at Clemson, moving in and out of the pocket, the fakes, the rollouts, the bootlegs, etc. 

That's where the kid shines. It's growing pains. But, back to the comment you made. You're just an [BLEEP] at this point man. Sorry. Not sorry. Call a spade a spade when you see it. If you don't think playing efficient football is impressive at this level you're just an [BLEEP].

It sounds like you are saying week 2 was amazing as compared to last year. Sure, but last year he wasn't very good.

He played well in week 2, but it wasn't an amazing performance. It was the kind of performance that made you think he was turning the corner. And then he did in week 3. But then he followed it up with two [bleep] weeks.

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Trevor just said we play the Texans again and hes got that one circled. I like the mindset that he already wants revenge

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You're a casual fan then. He was money in both games. I'll take that QB play 99.9% of the time and look for those exceedingly high pressure expectations and bigger plays in the play-off's. That's a whole new ball game and conversation though. 

Baby steps. Saying that those two games weren't really impressive in comparison to what we saw last year is just trolling at this point. I'll agree that the volume is relatively high. However, for perspective sake? Again, he barely averaged 25 passing attempts per game at Clemson and there's a lot to be said when you look at how well he actually plays outside of the pocket. 

That's what gives me more hope with him down the stretch. His pocket presence needs to improve, especially when given a clean pocket, the accuracy has to get better, especially on the deep pass attempts. However, when he's able to do what he did at Clemson, moving in and out of the pocket, the fakes, the rollouts, the bootlegs, etc. 

That's where the kid shines. It's growing pains. But, back to the comment you made. You're just an [BLEEP] at this point man. Sorry. Not sorry. Call a spade a spade when you see it. If you don't think playing efficient football is impressive at this level you're just an [BLEEP].

It sounds like you are saying week 2 was amazing as compared to last year. Sure, but last year he wasn't very good.

He played well in week 2, but it wasn't an amazing performance. It was the kind of performance that made you think he was turning the corner. And then he did in week 3. But then he followed it up with two [bleep] weeks.

That's where the average fan, myself included, are currently at with him. You gave us weeks two and three. Then you gave us weeks four and five. Give me weeks two and three about four to six more times this year and less weeks four and five and I'll be cool with that. Give me week one more than anything. Where your only turnover is just a YOLO pass with no time really to get back in the football game. 

I think he's going to get there though with Pederson. I pay attention to the sidelines. He's fully engaged with the staff. McCoy doesn't [BLEEP] around at all. He's constantly with Lawrence after a drive to recap what he missed or what he should have saw. He wants to score. He's overlooking a lot of easy stuff with his check down and the underneath stuff. 

I think some of that is residual from last year where he had nobody really around him to help. He really had no structure. No defense to really rely on. He had to do it all on his own at times. He's not in that position anymore so it's a matter of nature running it's course this year. The question really boils down to, when will it all click? Is it week six? Is it week twelve? Will it be next year in week one?

That's what has everybody up in arms right now.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."