Fine.

Brady
Fouts
Montana
Mahomes
Moon
Brees
Aikman
Rodgers
Favre
Warner
Bradshaw
Young
Elway

So in short, the hell they do.

Mahomes had a 5000 yards in his second year.

What the hell are you even talking about?

Mahomes is probably the most gifted, talent wise QB we have ever seen in the history of the NFL. His second season was the best passing season of all time. And it was really his rookie season. The only season that even comes close is Mannings 55 td year and Bradys undefeated season with 50 tds. Both these guys were savvy vets, Mahomes was playing his first season as starter.

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Mahomes had a 5000 yards in his second year.

What the hell are you even talking about?

Mahomes is probably the most gifted, talent wise QB we have ever seen in the history of the NFL. His second season was the best passing season of all time. And it was really his rookie season. The only season that even comes close is Mannings 55 td year and Bradys undefeated season with 50 tds. Both these guys were savvy vets, Mahomes was playing his first season as starter.

He's list is complete crap. Naming QBs from the 90s.

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Mahomes is probably the most gifted, talent wise QB we have ever seen in the history of the NFL. His second season was the best passing season of all time. And it was really his rookie season. The only season that even comes close is Mannings 55 td year and Bradys undefeated season with 50 tds. Both these guys were savvy vets, Mahomes was playing his first season as starter.

He's list is complete crap. Naming QBs from the 90s.

You’re from the 90’s

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He's list is complete crap. Naming QBs from the 90s.

You’re from the 90’s

I'm a 90s baby yes.

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You’re from the 90’s

I'm a 90s baby yes.

Late model?

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I'm a 90s baby yes.

Late model?

March 20th, 1990.

Well groomed and very successful.

Anything else you would like to know about me?

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Late model?

March 20th, 1990.

Well groomed and very successful.

Anything else you would like to know about me?

Still rockin’ that teen angst though.  Good for you, man.  Good FOR you.

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Late model?

March 20th, 1990.

Well groomed and very successful.

Anything else you would like to know about me?

I’m a March baby too.  But almost a decade earlier.  But I’m still keeping my eyes on you, kid. 

Me personally, I haven’t groomed in ages. But consider myself the same. 

As far as the last question…why yes!

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Fine.

Brady
Fouts
Montana
Mahomes
Moon
Brees
Aikman
Rodgers
Favre
Warner
Bradshaw
Young
Elway

So in short, the hell they do.

Mahomes had a 5000 yards in his second year.

What the hell are you even talking about?

What I'm talking about is your really stupid take. Mahomes sat his whole first year under Andy Reid, that's hardly hitting the ground running.  All of those listed had bad or invisible rookie seasons, none of them in fact hit the ground running. Most of them were outright terrible, but all of them ended up great. I guess I need to dumb it down for you, I'll try to type slower next time.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Imagine if mahomes was coached by urban in his first year

He would be in the same position trev is in now

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Mahomes had a 5000 yards in his second year.

What the hell are you even talking about?

What I'm talking about is your really stupid take. Mahomes sat his whole first year under Andy Reid, that's hardly hitting the ground running.  All of those listed had bad or invisible rookie seasons, none of them in fact hit the ground running. Most of them were outright terrible, but all of them ended up great. I guess I need to dumb it down for you, I'll try to type slower next time.

Mahomes sat behind an overpaid game manager Alex Smith and Chiefs were winning games. Mahomes started the following year and dominated.

Thats hitting the ground running. Alex Luck is another example.  Lamar Jackson is too. Russel Wilson is too.

Please do keep up with the current times. And not the Andy Griffith of the NFL times.

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Imagine if mahomes was coached by urban in his first year

He would be in the same position trev is in now

Although coaching is really important to a QBs success. It is also the players responbility to take the next leap.

If a QB is consistently getting coaches fired and were still having the same results, what does that really tell you?

Blaming coaches for a player success or lack of talent in the team is a lazy take. Because it goes both ways.

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What I'm talking about is your really stupid take. Mahomes sat his whole first year under Andy Reid, that's hardly hitting the ground running.  All of those listed had bad or invisible rookie seasons, none of them in fact hit the ground running. Most of them were outright terrible, but all of them ended up great. I guess I need to dumb it down for you, I'll try to type slower next time.

Mahomes sat behind an overpaid game manager Alex Smith and Chiefs were winning games. Mahomes started the following year and dominated.

Thats hitting the ground running. Alex Luck is another example.  Lamar Jackson is too. Russel Wilson is too.

Please do keep up with the current times. And not the Andy Griffith of the NFL times.

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Imagine if mahomes was coached by urban in his first year

He would be in the same position trev is in now

Although coaching is really important to a QBs success. It is also the players responbility to take the next leap.

If a QB is consistently getting coaches fired and were still having the same results, what does that really tell you?

Blaming coaches for a player success or lack of talent in the team is a lazy take. Because it goes both ways.

Right, right. Not being able to beat out over the hill starters or game managers for the starting job is "hitting the ground running." Then you pick the actual rare exceptions and some dude named Alex Luck and try to spike the ball. Just admit you said a dumb factually incorrect thing and move on.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Alex Luck lol

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This is getting ridiculous. New people coming out of no where with the exact same horrible take? Come on now.

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I was so disappointed after last game that I stopped following jags media this week. However, the game this weekend is going to tell us a lot. Let’s see how this game plays out and how Trevor responds.

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This is getting ridiculous. New people coming out of no where with the exact same horrible take? Come on now.

Yes, some of them must be someone else's second account. You may use less neutral words instead of 'second' if you wish. 

Personally I'm one of those that have been worried about Trevor's lack of progress. I see now that more people are willing to voice their concerns. 

I still believe he can be our franchise guy but he really needs to stop some of his bad habits. Effective immediately. 

He needs to stop throwing the ball at least 1 feet too high(and much too hard) on so many attempts. He also needs to stop the heroball nonsense. If nobody's open then throw it away or take 2 yds on the ground. Or the checkdown...

My take on the future is that it depends on the reasons for what he's doing wrong. I don't really know why he's doing it. 

I will reserve my right to whine about Trevor the whole season. I will be quiet and/or positive once Trevor plays like a first round pick.

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Why you guys even arguing with that guy? He's only here to be a douche.

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Peyton Manning after 5 weeks of year 2:

3-2 Record
11 TDs
7 Ints
61.6% comp
92.54 Rate

This is also with the same HC, OC, QB coach as his rookie year. Bruce Arians was his QB coach too, which should be noted. Also with Marvin Harrison in his prime and Edge as a rookie

Josh Allen through week 5 of year 2:

4-1 Record (somehow)
8 Total TDs (5 pass 3 rush)
7 Ints
62% comp
75 .1 rating

Trevor after 5 weeks in year 2:

2-3 Record
8 TDs
4 Ints
62.4% Comp
88 Rating

This is with a new staff all around after the worst staff of all time his rookie year. I like Kirk, but he's no Harrison.

Josh Allen went on to only throw 2 more INTs the entire year. The Colts team went on to win 10 straight and finish the season 13-3. While I don't expect that from us, there's still ZERO reason to think Trevor won't be the guy.

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Mahomes sat behind an overpaid game manager Alex Smith and Chiefs were winning games. Mahomes started the following year and dominated.

Thats hitting the ground running. Alex Luck is another example.  Lamar Jackson is too. Russel Wilson is too.

Please do keep up with the current times. And not the Andy Griffith of the NFL times.

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Although coaching is really important to a QBs success. It is also the players responbility to take the next leap.

If a QB is consistently getting coaches fired and were still having the same results, what does that really tell you?

Blaming coaches for a player success or lack of talent in the team is a lazy take. Because it goes both ways.

Right, right. Not being able to beat out over the hill starters or game managers for the starting job is "hitting the ground running." Then you pick the actual rare exceptions and some dude named Alex Luck and try to spike the ball. Just admit you said a dumb factually incorrect thing and move on.

Who says he wasn't beating Alex Smith for his job? That seemed more of an Andy Reid decision to sit than start him when they were winning games with Alex Smith under center. It would've made no sense to sit Smith when he was easily one of the best QBs in 2017. 

.... your argument is stupid. Just admit it and move along.

Sitting on the bench did not do Mahomes any favors besides learn his diet, his game plan film studies, and adapt his family in the NFL life.

This is easily proven if you've watched what Alex Smith  ESPN ingerview and what he said about Mahomes in his rookie year.

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Peyton Manning after 5 weeks of year 2:

3-2 Record
11 TDs
7 Ints
61.6% comp
92.54 Rate

This is also with the same HC, OC, QB coach as his rookie year. Bruce Arians was his QB coach too, which should be noted. Also with Marvin Harrison in his prime and Edge as a rookie

Josh Allen through week 5 of year 2:

4-1 Record (somehow)
8 Total TDs (5 pass 3 rush)
7 Ints
62% comp
75 .1 rating

Trevor after 5 weeks in year 2:

2-3 Record
8 TDs
4 Ints
62.4% Comp
88 Rating

This is with a new staff all around after the worst staff of all time his rookie year. I like Kirk, but he's no Harrison.

Josh Allen went on to only throw 2 more INTs the entire year. The Colts team went on to win 10 straight and finish the season 13-3. While I don't expect that from us, there's still ZERO reason to think Trevor won't be the guy.

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Why you guys even arguing with that guy?  He's only here to be a douche.

I'm here to provide facts, not emotions.

Facts over feelings to be exact.

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