I see Alot of promise in TL16. I also see that his deep balls needs alot of work w/respect to accuracy. He left two TDs on the field today because of it. More time (years) under his belt and he will be where alot of us expect him to be in the Here And Now.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

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Any QB drafted at number 1 has those expectations, or you don’t draft him at one.

So you would have been okay the Jags trading out of that pick and a bevy of draft picks?

Never said that. My point is that you better be damn sure about your QB at number one. The type of player drafted at that position should come in and immediately make a difference

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It gets grimmer and grimmer every week.

Not really, but whiners gonna whine.

I don’t know anymore. He may have every physical attribute on the plant but crunch time after crunch time he does tend to crumble under the pressure.  It’s getting harder to defend him.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Not really, but whiners gonna whine.

I don’t know anymore. He may have every physical attribute on the plant but crunch time after crunch time he does tend to crumble under the pressure.  It’s getting harder to defend him.

flsprtsgod has stated multiple times he already felt this season was over before it started. If you feel that way then you don't feel like you have a franchise QB

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I don’t know anymore. He may have every physical attribute on the plant but crunch time after crunch time he does tend to crumble under the pressure.  It’s getting harder to defend him.

flsprtsgod has stated multiple times he already felt this season was over before it started.  If you feel that way then you don't feel like you have a franchise QB

24 games into  career the juries still out.

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Still plenty of football left this year for him to keep improving and refining his game. His lack of deep accuracy and touch has been the achille's heel of his play this year.

I can appreciate the fact that he's played turnover free the last two games and he's doing enough to keep us in these games.

They still need to consider a potential QB to groom or step in for the long haul. You don't have to draft a QB in RD1 next year. I think they have far, far bigger needs than QB1 at the moment. Like CB, WR, TE and DT going into next year.

However. If there's a QB prospect in RD3. Yep. I said RD3. And you feel he's an NFL caliber starting QB? Take him. Unless you signed someone in March to be that answer already of course.

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I don’t know anymore. He may have every physical attribute on the plant but crunch time after crunch time he does tend to crumble under the pressure.  It’s getting harder to defend him.

flsprtsgod has stated multiple times he already felt this season was over before it started.  If you feel that way then you don't feel like you have a franchise QB

Again, what the heck were you expecting? This was the worst team in the NFL for the past 2 and half seasons. We turned over the head coach 3 times in 18 months. We traded our 1st pick from two years ago because he was terrible and the other one is The Invisible Man. The guy the year before that is a non-factor on Sundays. We have just turned 23 year old QB. Do you really think you blink your eyes and start winning in the NFL? You can feel like you have your guy but the team hasn't arrived yet.

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Not really, but whiners gonna whine.

I don’t know anymore. He may have every physical attribute on the plant but crunch time after crunch time he does tend to crumble under the pressure.  It’s getting harder to defend him.

That's weird, I just saw him throw a completion that got to the 1 yard line on the game deciding play. That's not exactly crumbling in my book even if it came up short. We've been in every game this year, and that is a huge step up from last year in a relatively short timeframe.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

So you would have been okay the Jags trading out of that pick and a bevy of draft picks?

Never said that. My point is that you better be damn sure about your QB at number one. The type of player drafted at that position should come in and immediately make a difference

Not many people weren't sure about Lawrence. There was a bit of hyperbole that essentially told everyone this was a sure pick. Only Chris Simms doubted it...

For me that's a significant part of the point of why he is a bit disappointing.

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Never said that. My point is that you better be damn sure about your QB at number one. The type of player drafted at that position should come in and immediately make a difference

Not many people weren't sure about Lawrence. There was a bit of hyperbole that essentially told everyone this was a sure pick. Only Chris Simms doubted it...

For me that's a significant part of the point of why he is a bit disappointing.

I will say, I questioned it at the time because the only two games I'd seen Clemson play real-time were two of his poorer games. I kinda liked Justin Fields though, so what do I know? Anyway, a lot of people thought he was the second coming of Elway so I thought he was the only choice they really could make .

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flsprtsgod has stated multiple times he already felt this season was over before it started.  If you feel that way then you don't feel like you have a franchise QB

Again, what the heck were you expecting? This was the worst team in the NFL for the past 2 and half seasons. We turned over the head coach 3 times in 18 months. We traded our 1st pick from two years ago because he was terrible and the other one is The Invisible Man. The guy the year before that is a non-factor on Sundays. We have just turned 23 year old QB. Do you really think you blink your eyes and start winning in the NFL? You can feel like you have your guy but the team hasn't arrived yet.

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I don’t know anymore. He may have every physical attribute on the plant but crunch time after crunch time he does tend to crumble under the pressure.  It’s getting harder to defend him.

That's weird, I just saw him throw a completion that got to the 1 yard line on the game deciding play. That's not exactly crumbling in my book even if it came up short. We've been in every game this year, and that is a huge step up from last year in a relatively short timeframe.

“He’s not clutch!”

Then proceeds to lead a game winning drive last week only to have the defense collapse. Follows it up the next week with leading a drive with no timeouts to the 1 yard line.

The Jags just can’t play a complete game at the moment. Defense has no pass rush and makes bone head mistakes WEEKLY. Offense moves the ball with ease and then hits the RedZone and turns into a pumpkin.

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flsprtsgod has stated multiple times he already felt this season was over before it started.  If you feel that way then you don't feel like you have a franchise QB

Again, what the heck were you expecting? This was the worst team in the NFL for the past 2 and half seasons. We turned over the head coach 3 times in 18 months. We traded our 1st pick from two years ago because he was terrible and the other one is The Invisible Man. The guy the year before that is a non-factor on Sundays. We have just turned 23 year old QB. Do you really think you blink your eyes and start winning in the NFL? You can feel like you have your guy but the team hasn't arrived yet.

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I don’t know anymore. He may have every physical attribute on the plant but crunch time after crunch time he does tend to crumble under the pressure.  It’s getting harder to defend him.

That's weird, I just saw him throw a completion that got to the 1 yard line on the game deciding play. That's not exactly crumbling in my book even if it came up short. We've been in every game this year, and that is a huge step up from last year in a relatively short timeframe.

The first down play Zay should have put both of his hands up and made the catch. The only guy on the team that makes contested catches is Marvin, and Trevor can't just go to him no matter what the coverage.

Does anyone here have a doubt in their mind that if anyone on the giants had caught the ball at the half yard line against our defense they would have gotten into the end zone?

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Again, what the heck were you expecting? This was the worst team in the NFL for the past 2 and half seasons. We turned over the head coach 3 times in 18 months. We traded our 1st pick from two years ago because he was terrible and the other one is The Invisible Man. The guy the year before that is a non-factor on Sundays. We have just turned 23 year old QB. Do you really think you blink your eyes and start winning in the NFL? You can feel like you have your guy but the team hasn't arrived yet.

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That's weird, I just saw him throw a completion that got to the 1 yard line on the game deciding play. That's not exactly crumbling in my book even if it came up short. We've been in every game this year, and that is a huge step up from last year in a relatively short timeframe.

“He’s not clutch!”

Then proceeds to lead a game winning drive last week only to have the defense collapse. Follows it up the next week with leading a drive with no timeouts to the 1 yard line.

The Jags just can’t play a complete game at the moment. Defense has no pass rush and makes bone head mistakes WEEKLY. Offense moves the ball with ease and then hits the RedZone and turns into a pumpkin.

They need a taller target on the outside for him. Demus Jr., Perry and Johnston. One of them needs to be in Jacksonville next year.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Never said that. My point is that you better be damn sure about your QB at number one. The type of player drafted at that position should come in and immediately make a difference

Not many people weren't sure about Lawrence. There was a bit of hyperbole that essentially told everyone this was a sure pick. Only Chris Simms doubted it...

For me that's a significant part of the point of why he is a bit disappointing.

Plus if the Jags traded out of that pick, the entire sporting world would have thought they were a biggest laughingstock on the planet including most of those on the board. Heck half this board would have probably quit and have the city would have cancelled their season tickets. Even if it was for 3 1sts and 3 2nds.

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You can't convince this guy. He's got a hard on for Trevor and thinks he does no wrong.

Lol, no, I just see a young QB playing like a young QB, and a bunch of posters on here who think that NFL QBs don't miss passes. And we lost this week again on the last play at the goal line. Every week we're in these games and people with limited perspective don't understand that's how this works.

Say it louder!!! I don't see why people don't understand this

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So you would have been okay the Jags trading out of that pick and a bevy of draft picks?

Never said that. My point is that you better be damn sure about your QB at number one. The type of player drafted at that position should come in and immediately make a difference

But my point is that cannot be the expectation of any rookie QB anymore. So you are basically saying no QB can be drafted No. 1, and that doesn't work in today's NFL environment.

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Not many people weren't sure about Lawrence. There was a bit of hyperbole that essentially told everyone this was a sure pick. Only Chris Simms doubted it...

For me that's a significant part of the point of why he is a bit disappointing.

Plus if the Jags traded out of that pick, the entire sporting world would have thought they were a biggest laughingstock on the planet including most of those on the board. Heck half this board would have probably quit and have the city would have cancelled their season tickets. Even if it was for 3 1sts and 3 2nds.

I actually started a thread before that draft asking people what they would take for Lawrence. Almost to a man the posters responded that there was nothing they would take and most acted like it was a stupid thread to even start because the answer wasn't worth debating.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Lol, no, I just see a young QB playing like a young QB, and a bunch of posters on here who think that NFL QBs don't miss passes. And we lost this week again on the last play at the goal line. Every week we're in these games and people with limited perspective don't understand that's how this works.

Say it louder!!! I don't see why people don't understand this

This KC / SF game both had ugly mistakes made by QB1's. Happens all the time. I think Lawrence will eventually hit his stride. He needs a tall, rangey receiver on the outside though from next year's draft. Really feel like he needs a Tee Higgins, Justyn Ross type of receiver to work with.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Not many people weren't sure about Lawrence. There was a bit of hyperbole that essentially told everyone this was a sure pick. Only Chris Simms doubted it...

For me that's a significant part of the point of why he is a bit disappointing.

I will say, I questioned it at the time because the only two games I'd seen Clemson play real-time were two of his poorer games. I kinda liked Justin Fields though, so what do I know? Anyway, a lot of people thought he was the second coming of Elway so I thought he was the only choice they really could make .

Fields is being ruined in Chicago. It is worse than what the Texans did to David Carr.

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Trevor had a average game today, nothing to complain about.  There are a dozen more things gs to complain about than Trevor today

Yup. Trevor didn't win us the game but he wasn't the big reason we lost like against Philly and the tinhorns.

We lost against the Texans because of Trevor? I'm pretty sure he led a 10-minute drive to take the lead with two minutes left in the 4th quarter... Pretty sure it wasn't on him It was on the defense we pretty much established that

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Plus if the Jags traded out of that pick, the entire sporting world would have thought they were a biggest laughingstock on the planet including most of those on the board. Heck half this board would have probably quit and have the city would have cancelled their season tickets. Even if it was for 3 1sts and 3 2nds.

I actually started a thread before that draft asking people what they would take for Lawrence. Almost to a man the posters responded that there was nothing they would take and most acted like it was a stupid thread to even start because the answer wasn't worth debating.

Because it is. You cannot expect to be able to draft a sure thing QB at No 1 ever. And if you build a 0.500 or competitive team around has-been free agents at QB, then you still end up having to trading up and guessing on prospects in the top 10, most of whom will fail. 

GMs/Teams have to shoot your shot at least some times, even if they know it may or will likely fail. You cannot just keep putting it off.

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