Man. You’ve really done a 180 on Doug haven’t you?

Yes, he needs to get his head out of his [BLEEP].  Its clear why the Eagles fired him and why he was 4-11 his last year in Philly.  I know he has a great coaching mind and can still be a great coach but he has made some dumb [BLEEP] decisions and mistakes so far.

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ETN is better.

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ETN is better.

ETN is better but why not have a good backup?

Because Pederson doesnt favor the run game anyways. We have one of the best young RBs in the game and the idiot Pederson barely uses him..

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Woah. I kind of theorized but I’m surprised for the first time in a long time I made somewhat of a accurate call 

Discuss.

Yeah, but you proposed trading him for two 3rd round picks.  Baalke traded him for a 5th round pick (at best).  Wow.  I didn't even think Baalke could be this bad.

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I previously posted a version of this in another thread, but I wanted to remind people what Baalke has gotten us with Day 3 draft picks as the Jaguars GM:

2021:

4th Round - Jay Tufele - No longer on team.

4th Round - Jordan Smith - He's been on injured reserve this year, but last year, he was a healthy inactive for virtually the whole season.  He played in 2 games and that was only because other players were injured.

5th Round - Luke Farrell - Our fourth string tight end.  Through seven games this year, he has 1 reception.  Sadly, this makes him Baalke's best Day 3 pick with the Jaguars.

6th Round - Jalen Camp - Cut without ever taking a regular season snap for the Jaguars.

2022:

5th Round - Snoop Conner - A healthy inactive for all seven games.  He has never taken a regular season snap.

6th Round - Gregory Junior - Did not make 53 man roster.  No other team wanted him for their 53 man roster.  He's currently on the Jaguars practice squad and has yet to take a regular season snap.

7th Round - Montaric Brown - He's mostly been a healthy inactive.  Because of an injury to another player, he was activated for two games this year, but only played a combined total of 5 special teams snaps.  He has yet to take a single regular season snap on defense.

What player above has contributed more than James Robinson?  Heck, JRob adds more to the team than all of the above combined.  Baalke is a clown.

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No big deal.  Etienne is ‘the man’ now.  People were complaining that we drafted a ‘role player’.  Now we’re complaining because we made him the clear #1.  A 6th, maybe a 5th, for a UDFA coming off of a major injury.  Whatever.

Where he was drafted or not drafted is irrelevant at this point.  Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round.  Does that mean it would have been smart to trade him in his prime for a 5th rounder?  That's ridiculous.  

If you think Baalke can find better with a 5th rounder, I'll refer you to my previous post about his track record.  The late rounds are garbage picks.  If you find a decent backup, you've done your job.  I think JRob is a quality starting caliber running back, but even as a backup, he would be worth far more to us than that garbage pick we got in exchange who may not even make the team.

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No big deal.  Etienne is ‘the man’ now.  People were complaining that we drafted a ‘role player’.  Now we’re complaining because we made him the clear #1.  A 6th, maybe a 5th, for a UDFA coming off of a major injury.  Whatever.

Where he was drafted or not drafted is irrelevant at this point.  Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round.  Does that mean it would have been smart to trade him in his prime for a 5th rounder?  That's ridiculous.  

If you think Baalke can find better with a 5th rounder, I'll refer you to my previous post about his track record.  The late rounds are garbage picks.  If you find a decent backup, you've done your job.  I think JRob is a quality starting caliber running back, but even as a backup, he would be worth far more to us than that garbage pick we got in exchange who may not even make the team.

Agreed, draft position doesn't mean [BLEEP] after draft day.

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I may be new to the Jags, but this doesn't seem like a good take.

And if I'm being honest, what I've seen of Robinson THIS season...his vision to hit the hole isn't that good (not as bad as ETN though) and he doesn't have any real burst.



I didn't have the opportunity to see Robinson when he may have been good, so I don't see how this is bad for the Jaguars.

this is the worst attempt at overreaction I've seen.
Learn from the others, they are seasoned veterans at this stage in their posting lives.

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Even if ETN gets injured, I don't see why you feel this way after watching the last 6 games.   Please explain what THIS version of Robinson gives you the feeling that he's valuable this season.

Plain and simple, as we've seen over the past few weeks, if ETN gets hurt, it's the Jamychal Hasty show. I don't understand how everyone else has been blind to this.

First, Hasty is a player who we obtained because he was cut from another team.  He had one very nice run where he got very good blocking, but otherwise has done next to nothing in the running game.  He has 4 rushing attempts for 8 yards or a 2.0 yards per carry average with the Jaguars.

Second, it isn't either/or.  We could have and should have kept both JRob and Hasty.  Let's not worry about having too much talent.

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It’s ok to disagree with a move the team makes. Some of you are quick to write this off and go into apologist for the front office mode.

The bottom line is JRob was never the fastest, quickest or strongest running back, but dude could [BLEEP] play football. That in and of itself is not common and certainly unlikely to find that in the 5th or 6th round. My favorite thing about him is I watched multiple runs of his where it didn’t necessarily look like he shimmied much but the defender getting ready to lunge at him for the tackle would so often take a bad angle and miss. He was never the product of an excellent line. He made plays. HE made them.

We struck gold in him as an UDFA. He took that opportunity and played his [BLEEP] off for this team, city and fan base. He put up with the [BLEEP] last year and never complained publicly. Never was a malcontent. Unfortunately he partially tore his Achilles yet rehabbed remarkably fast and well and was a huge reason the two wins we had this year so far got out of hand in our favor. Dude is not hobbled. I don’t care what the short yardage stats say. Use your eyes and your head and quit jumping to conclusions on one stat. Happens all the time on here with different players. JRob had a bunch of clock killing carries late in those blowout wins too.

That’s not the type of guy you trade away, especially for a 5th rounder. If you don’t show loyalty to the guys playing their [BLEEP] off for you and still young as JRob is, don’t be surprised when guys on the roster don’t show any loyalty back when free agency comes and don’t be surprised if your best players pull a Jalen and force their way out.

I still like Doug and I don’t want him gone, but the best coaches tweak their scheme to fit their talent. Otherwise you’ll always be chasing pieces to fit your scheme in this league through regular roster attrition from year to year.

I would have let him play out the year here and made a decision in the off-season versus receiving a 5th now. I’m not suggesting we could have gotten much more given the circumstances, I just value his service even what little might have been left of it more than a 5th round pick.

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The reason this doesn’t sit right is because he’s arguably been the best player on the team for two years..

But I guess this is what happens when you end up with two first choice running backs for no reason.

Yes, it was one of my arguments against drafting ETN.  So many people on here preach "BAP", "BAP", "BAP", but this shows where ignoring the need factor can cost you.  Even with most coaches, it was going to be hard to give both ETN and JRob the carries worthy of their talents.  As such, one was inevitably going to get under utilized and the team would have to trade him for pennies on the dollar.  It's a complete waste.  We should have been fine with JRob as our running back and drafted one of many other very quality players that were available at other positions.  This team has no shortage of holes.  Our team would be much better off for it now.  Baalke is a clown.

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The reason this doesn’t sit right is because he’s arguably been the best player on the team for two years..

But I guess this is what happens when you end up with two first choice running backs for no reason.

Yes, it was one of my arguments against drafting ETN.  So many people on here preach "BAP", "BAP", "BAP", but this shows where ignoring the need factor can cost you.  Even with most coaches, it was going to be hard to give both ETN and JRob the carries worthy of their talents.  As such, one was inevitably going to get upset and the team would have to trade him for pennies on the dollar.  It's a complete waste.  We should have been fine with JRob as our running back and drafted one of many other very quality players that were available at other positions.  This team has no shortage of holes.  Our team would be much better off for it now.  Baalke is a clown.

I disagree with this, you always go BPA.  Most coaches in this league would of been able to make both work.  It's not that hard , look at the Browns and Cowboys.  He'll we did it with MJD and Freddy.  JRob is a very good back but Etienne is an elite back.  Any time you can get an elite player at any position you get him.  I loved the Etieene pick but there where 2 players I wanted over him.  With that said I would take Campbell and Etieene over both of the guys I wanted, Barmore and Moore. Who did you want at 25 and 33?

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The reason this doesn’t sit right is because he’s arguably been the best player on the team for two years..

But I guess this is what happens when you end up with two first choice running backs for no reason.

Yes, it was one of my arguments against drafting ETN.  So many people on here preach "BAP", "BAP", "BAP", but this shows where ignoring the need factor can cost you.  Even with most coaches, it was going to be hard to give both ETN and JRob the carries worthy of their talents.  As such, one was inevitably going to get under utilized and the team would have to trade him for pennies on the dollar.  It's a complete waste.  We should have been fine with JRob as our running back and drafted one of many other very quality players that were available at other positions.  This team has no shortage of holes.  Our team would be much better off for it now.  Baalke is a clown.

LMAO....ya I'm glad that we drafted ETN... And the team is better off with him.... Don't get me wrong I always like Robinson....but ETN is better and faster....

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It’s ok to disagree with a move the team makes.  Some of you are quick to write this off and go into apologist for the front office mode.

The bottom line is JRob was never the fastest, quickest or strongest running back, but dude could [BLEEP] play football.  That in and of itself is not common and certainly unlikely to find that in the 5th or 6th round.  My favorite thing about him is I watched multiple runs of his where it didn’t necessarily look like he shimmied much but the defender getting ready to lunge at him for the tackle would so often take a bad angle and miss.  He was never the product of an excellent line.  He made plays.  HE made them.

We struck gold in him as an UDFA.  He took that opportunity and played his [BLEEP] off for this team, city and fan base.  He put up with the [BLEEP] last year and never complained publicly.  Never was a malcontent.  Unfortunately he partially tore his Achilles yet rehabbed remarkably fast and well and was a huge reason the two wins we had this year so far got out of hand in our favor.  Dude is not hobbled.  I don’t care what the short yardage stats say.  Use your eyes and your head and quit jumping to conclusions on one stat.  Happens all the time on here with different players.  JRob had a bunch of clock killing carries late in those blowout wins too.

That’s not the type of guy you trade away, especially for a 5th rounder.  If you don’t show loyalty to the guys playing their [BLEEP] off for you and still young as JRob is, don’t be surprised when guys on the roster don’t show any loyalty back when free agency comes and don’t be surprised if your best players pull a Jalen and force their way out.

I still like Doug and I don’t want him gone, but the best coaches tweak their scheme to fit their talent.  Otherwise you’ll always be chasing pieces to fit your scheme in this league through regular roster attrition from year to year.

I would have let him play out the year here and made a decision in the off-season versus receiving a 5th now.  I’m not suggesting we could have gotten much more given the circumstances, I just value his service even what little might have been left of it more than a 5th round pick.

I disagree the best coaches put players in that fit their scheme they don't change what they do best just to keep a player.... And they don't get emotional It's a business

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Welp no use crying over split milk now

All the best Rob

Let's see what unfolds now

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Yes, it was one of my arguments against drafting ETN.  So many people on here preach "BAP", "BAP", "BAP", but this shows where ignoring the need factor can cost you.  Even with most coaches, it was going to be hard to give both ETN and JRob the carries worthy of their talents.  As such, one was inevitably going to get under utilized and the team would have to trade him for pennies on the dollar.  It's a complete waste.  We should have been fine with JRob as our running back and drafted one of many other very quality players that were available at other positions.  This team has no shortage of holes.  Our team would be much better off for it now.  Baalke is a clown.

LMAO....ya I'm glad that we drafted ETN... And the team is better off with him.... Don't get me wrong I always like Robinson....but ETN is better and faster....

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It’s ok to disagree with a move the team makes.  Some of you are quick to write this off and go into apologist for the front office mode.

The bottom line is JRob was never the fastest, quickest or strongest running back, but dude could [BLEEP] play football.  That in and of itself is not common and certainly unlikely to find that in the 5th or 6th round.  My favorite thing about him is I watched multiple runs of his where it didn’t necessarily look like he shimmied much but the defender getting ready to lunge at him for the tackle would so often take a bad angle and miss.  He was never the product of an excellent line.  He made plays.  HE made them.

We struck gold in him as an UDFA.  He took that opportunity and played his [BLEEP] off for this team, city and fan base.  He put up with the [BLEEP] last year and never complained publicly.  Never was a malcontent.  Unfortunately he partially tore his Achilles yet rehabbed remarkably fast and well and was a huge reason the two wins we had this year so far got out of hand in our favor.  Dude is not hobbled.  I don’t care what the short yardage stats say.  Use your eyes and your head and quit jumping to conclusions on one stat.  Happens all the time on here with different players.  JRob had a bunch of clock killing carries late in those blowout wins too.

That’s not the type of guy you trade away, especially for a 5th rounder.  If you don’t show loyalty to the guys playing their [BLEEP] off for you and still young as JRob is, don’t be surprised when guys on the roster don’t show any loyalty back when free agency comes and don’t be surprised if your best players pull a Jalen and force their way out.

I still like Doug and I don’t want him gone, but the best coaches tweak their scheme to fit their talent.  Otherwise you’ll always be chasing pieces to fit your scheme in this league through regular roster attrition from year to year.

I would have let him play out the year here and made a decision in the off-season versus receiving a 5th now.  I’m not suggesting we could have gotten much more given the circumstances, I just value his service even what little might have been left of it more than a 5th round pick.

I disagree the best coaches put players in that fit their scheme they don't change what they do best just to keep a player.... And they don't get emotional It's a business

Let me phrase it in these terms.  Which would you rather?

Option #1:

• Travis Etienne
  
• 5th Round Pick
  

Option #2:

• James Robinson
  
• Your pick of any player available at #25 in the 2021 NFL draft.
  

I would take option #2 and it isn't even remotely close for me.

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Yes, he needs to get his head out of his [BLEEP].  Its clear why the Eagles fired him and why he was 4-11 his last year in Philly.  I know he has a great coaching mind and can still be a great coach but he has made some dumb [BLEEP] decisions and mistakes so far.

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ETN is better but why not have a good backup?

Because Pederson doesnt favor the run game anyways. We have one of the best young RBs in the game and the idiot Pederson barely uses him..

Welp time to  create a punt pederson thread


Next coach pls

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It’s ok to disagree with a move the team makes.  Some of you are quick to write this off and go into apologist for the front office mode.

The bottom line is JRob was never the fastest, quickest or strongest running back, but dude could [BLEEP] play football.  That in and of itself is not common and certainly unlikely to find that in the 5th or 6th round.  My favorite thing about him is I watched multiple runs of his where it didn’t necessarily look like he shimmied much but the defender getting ready to lunge at him for the tackle would so often take a bad angle and miss.  He was never the product of an excellent line.  He made plays.  HE made them.

We struck gold in him as an UDFA.  He took that opportunity and played his [BLEEP] off for this team, city and fan base.  He put up with the [BLEEP] last year and never complained publicly.  Never was a malcontent.  Unfortunately he partially tore his Achilles yet rehabbed remarkably fast and well and was a huge reason the two wins we had this year so far got out of hand in our favor.  Dude is not hobbled.  I don’t care what the short yardage stats say.  Use your eyes and your head and quit jumping to conclusions on one stat.  Happens all the time on here with different players.  JRob had a bunch of clock killing carries late in those blowout wins too.

That’s not the type of guy you trade away, especially for a 5th rounder.  If you don’t show loyalty to the guys playing their [BLEEP] off for you and still young as JRob is, don’t be surprised when guys on the roster don’t show any loyalty back when free agency comes and don’t be surprised if your best players pull a Jalen and force their way out.

I still like Doug and I don’t want him gone, but the best coaches tweak their scheme to fit their talent.  Otherwise you’ll always be chasing pieces to fit your scheme in this league through regular roster attrition from year to year.

I would have let him play out the year here and made a decision in the off-season versus receiving a 5th now.  I’m not suggesting we could have gotten much more given the circumstances, I just value his service even what little might have been left of it more than a 5th round pick.

Loyalty?  Bruh, this is modern salary cap football.  It's about maintaining value, not feelings.  We weren't signing him to a longterm deal, ETN became the clear #1 (as I said going back to when we drafted him) and th e y think HASTY/CONNOR can be productive backups.  It's that simple.  

Also, people need to remember that draft picks in general are over valued because of salary inflation in free agency.   I was shocked we got 5th.  Remember when we traded Eugene Monroe, a starting LT, for like a 4th and a 5th.  It doesn't look sexy, but that's the modern draft economy.  

Barring injury, I think we're going to look back @ thevend of the season and think to ourselves "hey, if ETN was getting 75% of the carries in the first 6 games would we have won a couple more games?"

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Because Pederson doesnt favor the run game anyways. We have one of the best young RBs in the game and the idiot Pederson barely uses him..

Welp time to  create a punt pederson thread


Next coach pls

I'm not saying that. We just need to change our offense approach. Doug is throwing his whole offenive playbook at TL. He certainly isnt capable of leading this offense passing consistently. We need to become a run team like the Tacks are with Henry and attack teams with P/A. That puts alot of pressure on defenses throughout the league. It also helps you from making head scratching mistakes.

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It’s ok to disagree with a move the team makes.  Some of you are quick to write this off and go into apologist for the front office mode.

The bottom line is JRob was never the fastest, quickest or strongest running back, but dude could [BLEEP] play football.  That in and of itself is not common and certainly unlikely to find that in the 5th or 6th round.  My favorite thing about him is I watched multiple runs of his where it didn’t necessarily look like he shimmied much but the defender getting ready to lunge at him for the tackle would so often take a bad angle and miss.  He was never the product of an excellent line.  He made plays.  HE made them.

We struck gold in him as an UDFA.  He took that opportunity and played his [BLEEP] off for this team, city and fan base.  He put up with the [BLEEP] last year and never complained publicly.  Never was a malcontent.  Unfortunately he partially tore his Achilles yet rehabbed remarkably fast and well and was a huge reason the two wins we had this year so far got out of hand in our favor.  Dude is not hobbled.  I don’t care what the short yardage stats say.  Use your eyes and your head and quit jumping to conclusions on one stat.  Happens all the time on here with different players.  JRob had a bunch of clock killing carries late in those blowout wins too.

That’s not the type of guy you trade away, especially for a 5th rounder.  If you don’t show loyalty to the guys playing their [BLEEP] off for you and still young as JRob is, don’t be surprised when guys on the roster don’t show any loyalty back when free agency comes and don’t be surprised if your best players pull a Jalen and force their way out.

I still like Doug and I don’t want him gone, but the best coaches tweak their scheme to fit their talent.  Otherwise you’ll always be chasing pieces to fit your scheme in this league through regular roster attrition from year to year.

I would have let him play out the year here and made a decision in the off-season versus receiving a 5th now.  I’m not suggesting we could have gotten much more given the circumstances, I just value his service even what little might have been left of it more than a 5th round pick.

Loyalty?  Bruh, this is modern salary cap football.  It's about maintaining value, not feelings.  We weren't signing him to a longterm deal, ETN became the clear #1 (as I said going back to when we drafted him) and th e y think HASTY/CONNOR can be productive backups.  It's that simple.  

Also, people need to remember that draft picks in general are over valued because of salary inflation in free agency.   I was shocked we got 5th.  Remember when we traded Eugene Monroe, a starting LT, for like a 4th and a 5th.  It doesn't look sexy, but that's the modern draft economy.  

Barring injury, I think we're going to look back @ thevend of the season and think to ourselves "hey, if ETN was getting 75% of the carries in the first 6 games would we have won a couple more games?"

75% of the carries? so what, like 2 more carries a game?

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Etienne has the speed to operate this defense in a different way than Robinson. Let’s see what he can do now that he is fully back from injury with a few games under his belt to acclimate to the nfl

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I still like Doug and I don’t want him gone, but the best coaches tweak their scheme to fit their talent.  Otherwise you’ll always be chasing pieces to fit your scheme in this league through regular roster attrition from year to year.

I would have let him play out the year here and made a decision in the off-season versus receiving a 5th now.  I’m not suggesting we could have gotten much more given the circumstances, I just value his service even what little might have been left of it more than a 5th round pick.

I agree with this.  A great coach can find a way to utilize Robinson.  There is value in having different kinds of runners with different strengths.  And it doesnt appear we are all that deep behind those two.  Hasty who has had one nice run and Snoop who has been underwhelming everytime we've seen him.  I also would rather have kept him for the rest of the year and figured out what to do in the offseason.  Maybe the guy loves the team and city and would have taken a friendly deal to stay.  Maybe he wouldn't.  Who knows.  But I think his value to the team the rest of the year is worth more than the 6th or 5th we got for him.  On the open trade market I'm actually somewhat surprised we got what we did (RBs just arent valued much) but I think he is more valuable to us on the team than a 3rd day draft pick.

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Scouting well is all that matters.  Draft philosophy is all fluff.

LMAO....ya I'm glad that we drafted ETN... And the team is better off with him.... Don't get me wrong I always like Robinson....but ETN is better and faster....

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I disagree the best coaches put players in that fit their scheme they don't change what they do best just to keep a player.... And they don't get emotional It's a business

Let me phrase it in these terms.  Which would you rather?

Option #1:

• Travis Etienne
  
• 5th Round Pick
  

Option #2:

• James Robinson
  
• Your pick of any player available at #25 in the 2021 NFL draft.
  

I would take option #2 and it isn't even remotely close for me.

Well thank God you're not making decisions then because ETN is way better than Robinson.... And Robinson's not going to be here next year regardless of trading him now or not..... So good to know that you would take a beat up running back that hasn't been getting it done over ETN...good Lord

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LMAO....ya I'm glad that we drafted ETN... And the team is better off with him.... Don't get me wrong I always like Robinson....but ETN is better and faster....

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I disagree the best coaches put players in that fit their scheme they don't change what they do best just to keep a player.... And they don't get emotional It's a business

Let me phrase it in these terms.  Which would you rather?

Option #1:

• Travis Etienne
  
• 5th Round Pick
  

Option #2:

• James Robinson
  
• Your pick of any player available at #25 in the 2021 NFL draft.
  

I would take option #2 and it isn't even remotely close for me.

Is this pre injury JRob?

If so, option 2.

However, he tore his Achilles and isn’t the same back.

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